Just now, icecoolguy22 said:

Let's not get over excited, we aren't going to go on a 13 games winning streak for top 4, be amazed if we somehow makes it to top 6. Change to back 3 was the right move, glad he got something right, maybe watching replays from the last 2 seasons finally paid off ( as well as getting inspirations out of All or Nothing).

I'm hoping it's not a panic one off due to needing the points and Silva not playing.

But equally I hope he reverts to a back 4 when James and Chilwell don't play.

3 hours ago, TimesUpPotter said:

Graham will have already took off all our penalty takers by then

Tuchel took off Mendy who had broken Liverpool's hearts during the game  and stuck Kepa on for the shoot out in the league cup final.

Everyone knew it was a f**king massive mistake.

I think Tommo admitted as much after.

Eejit 

 

1 hour ago, The Rising Sun said:

Sarri ball still haunts the club, I see it al the time with different managers and different players.

Sarri is a better manager than Potter, changed the way we played and won us something and also finished top 3, Potter is just a weak Tuchel wannabe.

19 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Sarri is a better manager than Potter, changed the way we played and won us something and also finished top 3, Potter is just a weak Tuchel wannabe.

He also had a prime Eden Hazard in the front 3 to make up for his dire football 

20 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Sarri is a better manager than Potter, changed the way we played and won us something and also finished top 3, Potter is just a weak Tuchel wannabe.

People forget about the 'change the way we played part'. We'd been playing defensive counter attacking football for 5 seasons, and people were just expecting an instant adjustment period. It'd be like Simeone joining Man City. Getting top 4 and the Europa League in those circumstances was impressive. He had the same problem at Juventus and still won the league, which they haven't managed since.

 

His Napoi side were playing some of the best football in Europe before he joined us. He's not as good as Tuchel in my opinion, but he's miles better than Potter.

12 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Sarri is a better manager than Potter, changed the way we played and won us something and also finished top 3, Potter is just a weak Tuchel wannabe.

Yeah I’m not going to make any comparisons with Potter. But I think Sarri and his brand of football get a bad rep. Towards the end of the season we started putting in some really good performances. He himself criticised the football under him as many times as anyone on here did. It wasn’t actually what he was going for. Work in progress etc.

Sarriball when it flowed, eg at Napoli, was pretty amazing. The guy had original ideas about football and how it should be played - kind of a philosopher. He came from an industry that had nothing to do with football, worked his way all the way to the top. He then moved to England where he hardly spoke the language, had no experience of the league. Took some abuse from fans that was really OTT and I was frankly sickened by. Got us third and won that cup final vs Arsenal playing attractive football. You don’t have to like him or his football. But he deserves respect. Pretty phenomenal what he achieved all in all. 

2 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

People forget about the 'change the way we played part'. We'd been playing defensive counter attacking football for 5 seasons, and people were just expecting an instant adjustment period. It'd be like Simeone joining Man City. Getting top 4 and the Europa League in those circumstances was impressive. He had the same problem at Juventus and still won the league, which they haven't managed since.

 

His Napoi side were playing some of the best football in Europe before he joined us. He's not as good as Tuchel in my opinion, but he's miles better than Potter.

💯 

8 minutes ago, Blueboys said:

He also had a prime Eden Hazard in the front 3 to make up for his dire football 

Don't fool yourself with silly excuses, when the manager knows what he's doing the best players end up being at their best.

4:1 win with 8 shots on target and a title with this lineup, "dire" my ass!

I’ve never warmed to Sarri, maybe I’m the only one but I’ve always felt like he was never fully committed to Chelsea and that was the bare minimum for me, for example Conte was passionate, Tuchel repeatedly stated how much he loved coaching us, Mourinho, Frank, Sarri seemed indifferent. Wether that’s passion or personality I don’t know. 

2 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Don't fool yourself with silly excuses, when the manager knows what he's doing the best players end up being at their best.

4:1 win with 8 shots on target and a title with this lineup, "dire" my ass!

That’s a really strong team. Azpi in his prime, Christensen who covered Silva with ease, Giroud the classy striker, Hazard and Pedro awesome players, Jorginho under his favourite manager with Kante and Kovacic at their best, yeah ok Luiz and Emerson aren’t the best but that side looks quality compared to sh*t we serve up nowadays.

Covered Silva with ease in champions league final, which shows his quality*

1 minute ago, dansubrosa said:

That’s a really strong team. Azpi in his prime, Christensen who covered Silva with ease, Giroud the classy striker, Hazard and Pedro awesome players, Jorginho under his favourite manager with Kante and Kovacic at their best, yeah ok Luiz and Emerson aren’t the best but that side looks quality compared to sh*t we serve up nowadays.

So Sarri had a stronger team than Tuchel and Potter? OK thanks, now I'm convinced he's a bad manager that only had a strong team...? 

4 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

That’s a really strong team. Azpi in his prime, Christensen who covered Silva with ease, Giroud the classy striker, Hazard and Pedro awesome players, Jorginho under his favourite manager with Kante and Kovacic at their best, yeah ok Luiz and Emerson aren’t the best but that side looks quality compared to sh*t we serve up nowadays.

Out of those players, who gets into Potter's team? Hazard, maybe Azpi as RCB, we have the same midfield, Giroud over Havertz as well. That's about it. Potter is just too inept to get the best out of our current squad.

17 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

I’ve never warmed to Sarri, maybe I’m the only one but I’ve always felt like he was never fully committed to Chelsea and that was the bare minimum for me, for example Conte was passionate,

Yeah until he didn't get his own way.

His last six months were about as far from full commitment as it was possible to get.

30 minutes ago, Dean said:

Yeah I’m not going to make any comparisons with Potter. But I think Sarri and his brand of football get a bad rep. Towards the end of the season we started putting in some really good performances. He himself criticised the football under him as many times as anyone on here did. It wasn’t actually what he was going for. Work in progress etc.

Sarriball when it flowed, eg at Napoli, was pretty amazing. The guy had original ideas about football and how it should be played - kind of a philosopher. He came from an industry that had nothing to do with football, worked his way all the way to the top. He then moved to England where he hardly spoke the language, had no experience of the league. Took some abuse from fans that was really OTT and I was frankly sickened by. Got us third and won that cup final vs Arsenal playing attractive football. You don’t have to like him or his football. But he deserves respect. Pretty phenomenal what he achieved all in all. 

What I still am a bit baffled by is one of our greatest ever players returned with Sarri and was barely acknowledged all season.

3 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Out of those players, who gets into Potter's team? Hazard, maybe Azpi as RCB, we have the same midfield, Giroud over Havertz as well. That's about it. Potter is just too inept to get the best out of our current squad.

We have the same keeper and much better backline and also a better DM in Enzo instead of Jorginho... Like you said Kovacic and Kante still here... Only Hazard starts over Mudryk/Pulisic on the left. That's at best, 2 players if you want to argue that Giroud gets to start over Havertz, though under Tuchel, Giroud didn't get to play in the CL final.

So if Sarri only did well cause he had a strong squad, if Potter ever starts winning it would clearly be because of just how the squad is simply strong due to so much spending and NOT due to his own ability as a manager, if we are to use that same standard.

27 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Don't fool yourself with silly excuses, when the manager knows what he's doing the best players end up being at their best.

4:1 win with 8 shots on target and a title with this lineup, "dire" my ass!

Hazards G/A in the league that year were 50% of the teams goals. We lost 4-0 at Bournemouth, 6-0 at City even Spurs beat us more than once that season. We stole 3rd at the end of the season ending with 3 draws and a win because spurs and arsenal both bottled it in the last 7/8 games. 
 

Yes we played well in that final but let’s not pretend it was some amazing season in which we were playing amazing football

 

1 minute ago, Blueboys said:

Hazards G/A in the league that year were 50% of the teams goals. We lost 4-0 at Bournemouth, 6-0 at City even Spurs beat us more than once that season. We stole 3rd at the end of the season ending with 3 draws and a win because spurs and arsenal both bottled it in the last 7/8 games. 
 

Yes we played well in that final but let’s not pretend it was some amazing season in which we were playing amazing football

 

We stole the 3rd spot? Didn't know. Thanks now I have absolutely no reason to Trust In PotterProcess.

9 minutes ago, Blueboys said:

Hazards G/A in the league that year were 50% of the teams goals. We lost 4-0 at Bournemouth, 6-0 at City even Spurs beat us more than once that season. We stole 3rd at the end of the season ending with 3 draws and a win because spurs and arsenal both bottled it in the last 7/8 games. 
 

Yes we played well in that final but let’s not pretend it was some amazing season in which we were playing amazing football

 

Or maybe just maybe it's a sign of good coaching to make an already bonafide world class player even better?

We finished that season on points that are almost always is enough to qualify for the UCL. Ofcourse Arsenal and Spurs had some sh*t results but I'm really struggling to see why that's groundbreaking, us three teams were in a top 4 battle and not a title one for a reason.

The "1 win in 5" when broken down is a defeat at Anfield (where nearly every one was losing that season), a draw at Old Trafford (a ground even our great sides rarely got more at), a draw at home to Burnley and a dead rubber game at Leicester when the job was already done. The only one we really should have done better on was Burnley at home.

You mention those defeats yet despite those we only conceded 39 goals in 38 games, and that was with Kepa, ageing Azpi, Luiz, pre Tuchel Rudi and Alonso as the back line.

Edited March 5, 20233 yr by Argo

Beating dirty Leeds, lovely jubley.

Walking in a Potter Wonderland.

13 minutes ago, Argo said:

Or maybe just maybe it's a sign of good coaching to make an already bonafide world class player even better?

We finished that season on points that are almost always is enough to qualify for the UCL. Ofcourse Arsenal and Spurs had some sh*t results but I'm really struggling to see why that's groundbreaking, us three teams were in a top 4 battle and not a title one for a reason.

The "1 win in 5" when broken down is a defeat at Anfield (where nearly every one was losing that season), a draw at Old Trafford (a ground even our great sides rarely got more at), a draw at home to Burnley and a dead rubber game at Leicester when the job was already done. The only one we really should have done better on was Burnley at home.

You mention those defeats yet despite those we only conceded 39 goals in 38 games, and that was with Kepa, ageing Azpi, Luiz, pre Tuchel Rudi and Alonso as the back line.

Hazard had his best season under Sarri, same with Ronaldo at Juventus, Higuain at Napoli. He's very good at getting the best out of attackers.

Thought it was a bad performance vs 18th? in the table.

More of the same, just "potential" football in like a quarter of a game and the rest was us just relying on luck not to concede.

If Leeds weren't so horrendous at finishing they should have won the game.

Dortmund will finish it off this week anyway.

Despite winning it's clear as day that Potter is not good enough. The subs were horrible. We were up 1-0 at home to Leeds and he decides we need to park the bus and play with one "false attacker" in Havertz? What is this? We are not Everton or Southampton battling for relegation FFS.

Also why is Mudryk not playing? He would have been perfect to bring on after we scored to counter-attack.

Amazing how Potter can frustrate the f**k out of you despite winning a game.

3 hours ago, Gol15 said:

We have the same keeper and much better backline and also a better DM in Enzo instead of Jorginho... Like you said Kovacic and Kante still here... Only Hazard starts over Mudryk/Pulisic on the left. That's at best, 2 players if you want to argue that Giroud gets to start over Havertz, though under Tuchel, Giroud didn't get to play in the CL final.

So if Sarri only did well cause he had a strong squad, if Potter ever starts winning it would clearly be because of just how the squad is simply strong due to so much spending and NOT due to his own ability as a manager, if we are to use that same standard.

You just have to look at his subs to know he is cluess. Zakaria and Gallagher on for Felix and Sterling after scoring ONE goal against relegation fodder at home. Is it out standard now to desperately try to hold on to 1-0 leads when playing garbage teams at home? He should have brought on Mudryk and use his pace to get try and get another goal. 

3 minutes ago, reparto corse said:

You just have to look at his subs to know he is cluess. Zakaria and Gallagher on for Felix and Sterling after scoring ONE goal against relegation fodder at home. Is it out standard now to desperately try to hold on to 1-0 leads when playing garbage teams at home? He should have brought on Mudryk and use his pace to get try and get another goal. 

Unfortunately the standard has long gone, Potter just happy to see the game out anyway he could, could have bought another GK on if it was allowed. We were asking for it with attacking players kept coming off despite being in control for more than 60 minutes, even a like for like sub would most likely to kill the game off. Lucky for us it was one of those days for Leeds, and they had to play mid week game while we had a week off. I'm sure their manager could use that as an excuse.