There isn't any mitigating circumstance that justifies 21 points in 18 league games, that's atrocious. That's borderline relegation form since he took over. The fact that some fans are still protecting him is ridiculous.

For those who think we didn't score any goals under Tuchel last season ... here's a nice 25 minute compilation of all 122 of them ... 

Suitable viewing for all ages ... 🙂 

 

44 minutes ago, Ajbod said:

Perhaps that is part of Boehlys plan, if the players know Potter is going nowhere, then downing tools will only highlight who needs shipping out.

At the moment everyone apart from Silva and James 

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

Your numbers look a bit off to me. 81 goals in "50 games" would be 1.62 per game, not 2.53, and 38+11+7 is in any case 56. not 50 LOL

Love the last sentence 🙂 

Took it off the internet, typed verbatim. So its got to be true, right? Lol

 

8 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Took it off the internet, typed verbatim. So its got to be true, right? Lol

 

I just checked it, and the numbers are correct apart from the wins, which should be 32, not 38

First 50 games : W32 D11 L7 GF 81 GA 24

Last 50 games : W28 D13 L9 GF 87 GA 53

Potter would happily trade for either of those runs of 50 ... he's already lost 10 out of his first 26 !

21 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

For those who think we didn't score any goals under Tuchel last season ... here's a nice 25 minute compilation of all 122 of them ... 

Suitable viewing for all ages ... 🙂 

 

Look how confidently those goals were taken at the start of last season. Todd Boehly can look at his data all he likes, but it won't tell him that our lot were still riding the highs of winning the Champions League and that we had a presence about us that made us look like we could beat anybody. Every single bit of that has disappeared from our players this season. I don't see any overlapping runs anymore, no crosses across the box for a tap in. Zero threat from anywhere on the pitch these days. This game lives on passion, confidence and momentum, not silly bits of data. They are in the wrong business if they hope to see us succeed from that.

George on the GBFC podcast has said talks are "advanced" with Luis Enrique and we are also well down the line for Oshiman and Gvardiol.

42 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

For those who think we didn't score any goals under Tuchel last season ... here's a nice 25 minute compilation of all 122 of them ... 

Suitable viewing for all ages ... 🙂 

 

122 goals in a season is unthinkable now. We’ll be doing well to get half that this season. Probably on 30 something now?

1 minute ago, BedfordBlue said:

122 goals in a season is unthinkable now. We’ll be doing well to get half that this season. Probably on 30 something now?

23

For reference, only the following clubs have scored less:

Palace - 21
N. Forest - 18
Wolves - 18
Everton - 17
Southampton - 19

 

Edited March 2, 20233 yr by Zeta

2 minutes ago, BedfordBlue said:

122 goals in a season is unthinkable now. We’ll be doing well to get half that this season. Probably on 30 something now?

23 in the PL (from 24 games), and 33 overall (33 games)

30 minutes ago, Aussie79 said:

At the moment everyone apart from Silva and James 

Have you watched James of late? You won't find a player who is putting in less effort. I don't know if it's the coaching or the player himself, but the guy is barely even running.

1 minute ago, Zeta said:

23

That’s just the league. We scored 10 in the Champions league. I don’t think we even scored in the domestic cups so 33

For what it’s worth, I think Potter is a good manager, I really want him to do well here, but I just feel that he’s not a good fit for us. 
 

The main problem I have with sacking him at the minute is that it feeds into this player power nonsense and teaches them yet again that they can just down tools and get the manager sacked, though I don’t think that is the case this time. It seems Potter has a good relationship with the players, which I hope would be ideal long term. The issue is there’s no guarantee that we will see this squad develop into a proper side under Potter, and the short term signs aren’t good.

I do believe that we need someone different as manager. While I like Potter, as I said before, I just don’t think he’s a good fit for us.

2 minutes ago, BedfordBlue said:

For what it’s worth, I think Potter is a good manager, I really want him to do well here, but I just feel that he’s not a good fit for us. 
 

The main problem I have with sacking him at the minute is that it feeds into this player power nonsense and teaches them yet again that they can just down tools and get the manager sacked, though I don’t think that is the case this time. It seems Potter has a good relationship with the players, which I hope would be ideal long term. The issue is there’s no guarantee that we will see this squad develop into a proper side under Potter, and the short term signs aren’t good.

I do believe that we need someone different as manager. While I like Potter, as I said before, I just don’t think he’s a good fit for us.

Every successful team has player power to one degree or another.

1 minute ago, Argo said:

Every successful team has player power to one degree or another.

Of course, I suppose what I’m trying to say is I want a long term manager like a Pep or Klopp, rather than just sacking the manager after a bad season.

12 minutes ago, Argo said:

Every successful team has player power to one degree or another.

That may be true, but different coaches and clubs deal with it differently. Guardiola has shipped out several good players, with the club’s support, this season for reasons similar to player power. Artera also, finally, got rid of Auba for the same reasons. So there’s a difference on how coaches deal with it and how the club supports them. We are not good at doing that because of the short term approach we’ve been taking (it’s not been all bad, mind you).

1 hour ago, Mudders said:

I can already imagine who may be playing politics in the dressing room and downing tools on the pitch. 
 

Mount

ziyech

pulisic

Auba

koulibaly

sterling

havertz

It's been hilarious to see how the excuses to defend Potter have got wilder each week.

But we've now reached the point of suggesting injured players (Pulisic) players completely excluded from the squad (Auba) players who the club agreed to let go (Ziyech) and all the previous managers new signings who hadn't worked with Potter before (Sterling, KK and Auba) have downed tools.

We have the biggest squad in Europe surely Potter can pick 11 players that haven't "downed tools" and if in a squad of 1246 players he can't motivate any of them he's the problem anyway.

That said we don't look like a team that's downed tools, we wouldn't have one of the best defensive records in the league if we did because it's usually the defensive side that suffers when players aren't prepared to work hard.

We look like a very poorly coached side, we're absolutely terrible at pressing and there's no sense of any pattern or structure when we have the ball and that's all on the manager and reflects his work on the training ground.

And given Potter gives the squad a day or 2 off from training every week if anyone has downed tools it's Potter himself!

2 days off from training after Losing 1-0 at home to the bottom side in the league with a group of young players and then losing 2-0 to Spurs should have been a sackable offence alone.

Edited March 2, 20233 yr by TimesUpPotter

42 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Have you watched James of late? You won't find a player who is putting in less effort. I don't know if it's the coaching or the player himself, but the guy is barely even running.

The club says he has a long term knee injury. He has had it for every and there was talk of surgery 18 months ago. Maybe it is not amenable to surgery in which case we can expect limited performance for a while. I doubt it’s a lack of effort.  

20 minutes ago, RMH said:

That may be true, but different coaches and clubs deal with it differently. Guardiola has shipped out several good players, with the club’s support, this season for reasons similar to player power. Artera also, finally, got rid of Auba for the same reasons. So there’s a difference on how coaches deal with it and how the club supports them. We are not good at doing that because of the short term approach we’ve been taking (it’s not been all bad, mind you).

It usually comes down to how good the player is at that time.

Fergie is the main example of how to deal with player power but he even he relented when it was for the good of the team (he learned from the Jaap Stam situation).

For example Rooney was kicking up a right fuss in 2010 and was "punished" with a record breaking new deal and i bet Keane would have got away with that interview if he was still in his peak.

My worry is if you give a manager total leeway to do it his way or the high way is what happens when a truly toxic one or worse one that bullies players come along? (I've come across both types when I've played all be it at a very poor level and it was awful and I wasn't even one of his main 'targets') We say get in line he's incharge or do one?

Even if we find our Fergie there still has to be a line to exactly how much power they have, in my opinion.

34 minutes ago, BedfordBlue said:

For what it’s worth, I think Potter is a good manager, I really want him to do well here, but I just feel that he’s not a good fit for us. 
 

The main problem I have with sacking him at the minute is that it feeds into this player power nonsense and teaches them yet again that they can just down tools and get the manager sacked, though I don’t think that is the case this time. It seems Potter has a good relationship with the players, which I hope would be ideal long term. The issue is there’s no guarantee that we will see this squad develop into a proper side under Potter, and the short term signs aren’t good.

I do believe that we need someone different as manager. While I like Potter, as I said before, I just don’t think he’s a good fit for us.

Have to agree. I think Potter is a very good coach and motivator of players but at a certain level - like where he built his reputation at Brighton.

Now if we had got Potter in with the scenario Lamps faced when he became coach - limited squad with the transfer embargo, I think he would have been ideal. Potter seems to be the sort of coach who can work with a small, uncomplicated squad, with no big names and lots of promising youngsters and get the best out of them. But to appoint Potter and then spend a sh*tload of money on loads of players, to add to an already big squad and then expect him to make it work, it was/is utter madness. He's totally the wrong coach for the situation we are now in and the squad we have.

55 minutes ago, BedfordBlue said:

For what it’s worth, I think Potter is a good manager, I really want him to do well here, but I just feel that he’s not a good fit for us. 
 

The main problem I have with sacking him at the minute is that it feeds into this player power nonsense and teaches them yet again that they can just down tools and get the manager sacked, though I don’t think that is the case this time. It seems Potter has a good relationship with the players, which I hope would be ideal long term. The issue is there’s no guarantee that we will see this squad develop into a proper side under Potter, and the short term signs aren’t good.

I do believe that we need someone different as manager. While I like Potter, as I said before, I just don’t think he’s a good fit for us.

I doubt I'm just speaking for myself here but most of the people who wanted Potter out from the start know that ultimately player performances are unacceptable and there is a massive problem with player power here and we should definitely one day take a big stance against it. By that I mean bin off players no matter how good they are who start downing the tools once they fall out with the manager. Then we should publicly back the manager no matter what, we should've done this years ago to be honest. 

The only issue is, Potter never had the dressing room to begin with. I do think the performances on the pitch are still unacceptable and players have to take blame. But of all managers in our history to support, there's no way we can support this man, that would be a catastrophe. He's not good enough for the job, simple as that.

There are levels to this, Roy Hodgeson was a good coach, but we saw what happened when he managed Liverpool, he wasn't cut out for it, same with David Moyes at United. I think Potter is in that category, I don't think he's an awful manager, but he's not cut out for this job. Not to strictly dumb this down to a personality test, but just as a little experiment go compare him to the other coaches in the top 6 right now and you'll see he stands out from the rest of them.
 

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

George on the GBFC podcast has said talks are "advanced" with Luis Enrique and we are also well down the line for Oshiman and Gvardiol.

Osimhen, Gvardiol and Luis Enrique? That's too good to be true surely

23 minutes ago, Argo said:

It usually comes down to how good the player is at that time.

Fergie is the main example of how to deal with player power but he even he relented when it was for the good of the team (he learned from the Jaap Stam situation).

For example Rooney was kicking up a right fuss in 2010 and was "punished" with a record breaking new deal and i bet Keane would have got away with that interview if he was still in his peak.

My worry is if you give a manager total leeway to do it his way or the high way is what happens when a truly toxic one or worse one that bullies players come along? (I've come across both types when I've played all be it at a very poor level and it was awful and I wasn't even one of his main 'targets') We say get in line he's incharge or do one?

Even if we find our Fergie there still has to be a line to exactly how much power they have, in my opinion.

Of course I agree with you that there can’t be no control over the coach, but in the last few years what we’ve seen is that our club has been too lenient with players, in my opinion. I think that the new owners are dealing with players that are seen as ‘bad apples’ correctly, given the circumstances that they’ve inherited a team with contracts they did not negotiate.

2 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

For those who think we didn't score any goals under Tuchel last season ... here's a nice 25 minute compilation of all 122 of them ... 

Suitable viewing for all ages ... 🙂 

 

Thanks. When I read some people's take on things, I cringe. 

Everyone has a right to see things however they deem fit but when people rewrite history in a way that is such an obvious misrepresentation, my stomach churns. 

1 hour ago, Zeta said:

23

For reference, only the following clubs have scored less:

Palace - 21
N. Forest - 18
Wolves - 18
Everton - 17
Southampton - 19

 

Minus Tuchel's 10 = 13

Go GP.