2 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Potter did great for us when he started. It means f**k all. 

Our fans on here are so depressing, no optimism.  Might need to take a break for a bit from this forum. 

Get behind the team, the manager, have a bit of hope. We had the better chances yesterday against a team that is functioning really well, we still don't have the midfield Potter wants but Enzo looks class, actually all the signings this Jan look quality and are young - with a different manager maybe we'd have seen us go after Dumfries and Weghoust and see them stink up the joint on high wages.

The defence is looking solid, we just need to unlock the final 3rd and we've got time to do that until next year when the challenge really begins. 

Lots of reasons to be excited. 

 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Kovacic hopefully. 
 

 

That team could challenge for the title quality wise

26 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Well yeah, even Potters biggest supporters I doubt would say keep him on if we finish this season, next season, and 24/25 in middle table and no trophies. Though I could be wrong on that.

He has got the defence playing well, Badiashile has slotted in well and, for the most part, Kepa has been really, really good.

But can Potter solve the problem he has had for 3 and a half seasons in forming a cohesive, constant attack?

Potter's biggest supporters won't be supporting him if we are 6th in 12 months. 

I'm one of them, trust me

 

The reason he did well when he started was probably because he’d not yet had time to introduce his negative play on the squad. 
I’ve said this before, and as each game passes I’m feeling more positive… he’s so concerned about conceding a goal, he’s lost touch with scoring any. 
Brighton are zooming without him, and ask any BHA supporter would they like him back 😂😂😂…..  that would be the response, I imagine. Cut him lose now Todd. 

 

Klopp might be available soon....

2 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

That team could challenge for the title quality wise

With a better manager next season I Believe it.

The sad part is, us drawing to the worst Liverpool side in years is the best result we've had in the past 3 months.

If there isn’t improvement in the following weeks I can see a decision being made. 

18 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Klopp might be available soon....

I'd rather finish mid table for the next 3 seasons than have klopp manage us 

3 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I'd rather finish mid table for the next 3 seasons than have klopp manage us 

id rather have klopp manage us then see us have a fraud as a coach who is tactically inept, 

21 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

If there isn’t improvement in the following weeks I can see a decision being made. 

I can’t see him leaving sadly at least not until the summer. And even that is being hopeful 

21 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I'd rather finish mid table for the next 3 seasons than have klopp manage us 

Really? Despite being at the Scousers he's always been one of the more likeable coaches. 

33 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

If there isn’t improvement in the following weeks I can see a decision being made. 

Think the Dortmund game will be big, we need to at least get a draw there, or even a narrow loss. Anything less than that then he really needs to go.

1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

Really? Despite being at the Scousers he's always been one of the more likeable coaches. 

Huh? Likeable in the same way as Jamie Carragher?

I hope the club don’t fall into the trap of keeping buying Potter attackers if they’re not scoring. We saw the difference from Lampard to Tuchel with the defence. A coach can turn any team into a unit with the right system. 
 

What I was really confused with last night was with some of the decisions/statements that Potter made.

I am not too worried about the performance and score as the team has to start somewhere. I do have a bit of an issue with the formation and in game tactics but I think this inevitable with the personnel out there.

The issue I have is with the original selection.

They made a point throughout that we currently have 33 players. It's evidently got Gary Neville completely bamboozled as he mentioned it on no less that six occasions. We can only use 25 players and Potter needs to start developing a camaraderie and team spirit within his squad.

Both Ziyech and Gallagher were on the brink of moving in this window and both deals fell through. Clearly they are not part of the future. So why play them. It doesn't matter about their form, or injuries to other players. If the deals had gone through these players would not have been available.  Its not about playing them, it's about 2 players from Potter's go forward squad that have had to make way. Man management is not just about being everyone's mate, it's about managing people and situations simultaneously.  It's also about developing the players you're keeping.

The counter argument will be fitness issues with other players; Ziyech having a bit of form (for him) recently.  My point remains. To the first, if we have 33 players, even with injuries we should have 2 midfielders from Potter's go forward squad that we can put on the pitch. If uts about the process and the journey,  then why select 2 players that will undermine the message you are trying to send to the squad.  An elite manager would cut off his nose to spite his face in order to achieve the long term goal. Both Guardiola and Arteta have displayed these attributes recently. 

Secondly the Mudryk situation. 

If he was unwell with a cold, why start him when both sets of players are at peak energy and full of running. By starting himand dragging him at half time Potter created an immediate issue and media frenzy again.

If we believe that Potter is telling the truth then for me it's a shockingly poor management decision.

Start Madueke. If its going well keep him playing.  When asked say Mudryk  unwell. If it goes bad sub Madueke at half time or in second half. State that it's Madueke's debut so just easing him in. Why only a half for Mudryk = same reason. Of course with a more tired Fulham back line in the second half Mudryk may well have been more effective.

Baffling.

I found both aspects,  regardless of the sterile performance and totally impotent attack, deeply concerning issues regarding Potter's credentials to effectively manage a large squad of elite players.

 

Potter needs to raise his game, it is as simple as that to me.  It is early days, but we can and should still expect more.

• 14 goals in his 15 PL games is concerning.  We've bought players to address, but the concern is the 42 goals in 38 games at Brighton, and what that team is now doing
• To start Ziyech, Havertz, Mount and Gallagher (albeit shot of numbers in midfield) shows why not much has changed
• He needs to be brave and drop the lot of them - Fofana offered more in 15 mins than Havertz has in 10 games
• Would like to see a bit more passion from him - to me he comes across as too accepting of a bad result and poor performance

11 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Really? Despite being at the Scousers he's always been one of the more likeable coaches. 

I find Klopp extremely unlikeable but I think he's one of those managers that you'd absolutely love if he managed your club and hate if he manages a rival.

He's a bit like the Anti Potter,  Graham is a manager you typically hate if he's at your club and there's never a shortage of rival fans imploring you to keep him.

44 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

If there isn’t improvement in the following weeks I can see a decision being made. 

Seeing reports that Hansi Flick was at the game as a guest. Don't know if it's true. Maybe watching Havertz but apparently he recently did that when more Germans were playing in the game. Havertz the only German out there last night.

9 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

What I was really confused with last night was with some of the decisions/statements that Potter made.

I am not too worried about the performance and score as the team has to start somewhere. I do have a bit of an issue with the formation and in game tactics but I think this inevitable with the personnel out there.

The issue I have is with the original selection.

They made a point throughout that we currently have 33 players. It's evidently got Gary Neville completely bamboozled as he mentioned it on no less that six occasions. We can only use 25 players and Potter needs to start developing a camaraderie and team spirit within his squad.

Both Ziyech and Gallagher were on the brink of moving in this window and both deals fell through. Clearly they are not part of the future. So why play them. It doesn't matter about their form, or injuries to other players. If the deals had gone through these players would not have been available.  Its not about playing them, it's about 2 players from Potter's go forward squad that have had to make way. Man management is not just about being everyone's mate, it's about managing people and situations simultaneously.  It's also about developing the players you're keeping.

The counter argument will be fitness issues with other players; Ziyech having a bit of form (for him) recently.  My point remains. To the first, if we have 33 players, even with injuries we should have 2 midfielders from Potter's go forward squad that we can put on the pitch. If uts about the process and the journey,  then why select 2 players that will undermine the message you are trying to send to the squad.  An elite manager would cut off his nose to spite his face in order to achieve the long term goal. Both Guardiola and Arteta have displayed these attributes recently. 

Secondly the Mudryk situation. 

If he was unwell with a cold, why start him when both sets of players are at peak energy and full of running. By starting himand dragging him at half time Potter created an immediate issue and media frenzy again.

If we believe that Potter is telling the truth then for me it's a shockingly poor management decision.

Start Madueke. If its going well keep him playing.  When asked say Mudryk  unwell. If it goes bad sub Madueke at half time or in second half. State that it's Madueke's debut so just easing him in. Why only a half for Mudryk = same reason. Of course with a more tired Fulham back line in the second half Mudryk may well have been more effective.

Baffling.

I found both aspects,  regardless of the sterile performance and totally impotent attack, deeply concerning issues regarding Potter's credentials to effectively manage a large squad of elite players.

 

Well said.  Exactly my thoughts.  Surely it can't be that complicated for Potter, right?

12 minutes ago, just said:

Huh? Likeable in the same way as Jamie Carragher?

Likeable  Carragher?

Wash your mouth out. 

He was at the game last night. Just "spitting" distance from Karen Carney.

What a bellend he is.

48 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

If there isn’t improvement in the following weeks I can see a decision being made. 

How many weeks ?

We have these fixtures over the next four weeks.

We should win 3 of those games minimum with these players, that would be enough to relieve the pressure.

3 minutes ago, PhilH930 said:

Potter needs to raise his game, it is as simple as that to me.  It is early days, but we can and should still expect more.

• 14 goals in his 15 PL games is concerning.  We've bought players to address, but the concern is the 42 goals in 38 games at Brighton, and what that team is now doing
• To start Ziyech, Havertz, Mount and Gallagher (albeit shot of numbers in midfield) shows why not much has changed
• He needs to be brave and drop the lot of them - Fofana offered more in 15 mins than Havertz has in 10 games
• Would like to see a bit more passion from him - to me he comes across as too accepting of a bad result and poor performance

At least we all got the proof as soon as possible that it wasn't Jorginho holding us back. Our last 2 managers simply don't know how to make an attack working and with that you simply won't win the league ever.

Even big teams that win the league struggle to get it done against smaller teams at times but when they figure it out it's those wins that ultimately make all the difference between winning the title or being in the top 6 and we have been struggling to score against any given opponent so the fact that we're still around 10th place shows that the single most damaging decision that set us back for a lot of time was to stop counting on Diego Costa which was our last real striker that could lead the line.

Ever since D.Costa we haven't had a top striker, Morata is at his best as a super-sub, Michy not good enough, Giroud a super-sub, Tammy not good enough, Werner needed a partner and Lukaku tragically not the player we should have splashed the cash on.

I believe that Potter is essentially not the kind of manager that knows how to make a great attacking team so he would need to improve his own level and the level of his staff in order to solve this problem, it has been a big problem for us after all.

1 minute ago, coco said:

How many weeks ?

We have these fixtures over the next four weeks.

We should win 3 of those games minimum with these players, that would be enough to relieve the pressure.

We'll probably scrape wins over Southampton and Leeds and call it 'progress'

1 minute ago, Gol15 said:

At least we all got the proof as soon as possible that it wasn't Jorginho holding us back. Our last 2 managers simply don't know how to make an attack working and with that you simply won't win the league ever.

Even big teams that win the league struggle to get it done against smaller teams at times but when they figure it out it's those wins that ultimately make all the difference between winning the title or being in the top 6 and we have been struggling to score against any given opponent so the fact that we're still around 10th place shows that the single most damaging decision that set us back for a lot of time was to stop counting on Diego Costa which was our last real striker that could lead the line.

Ever since D.Costa we haven't had a top striker, Morata is at his best as a super-sub, Michy not good enough, Giroud a super-sub, Tammy not good enough, Werner needed a partner and Lukaku tragically not the player we should have splashed the cash on.

I believe that Potter is essentially not the kind of manager that knows how to make a great attacking team so he would need to improve his own level and the level of his staff in order to solve this problem, it has been a big problem for us after all.

Did people actually think Jorginho was the weak link in our team? He's had some great performances for us over the years, Champions League final the biggest example