I like Noni, and until a few weeks ago I would have said he's our best winger, but Neto's overtaken him in my view recently. He doesn't always make the right decisions, but he brings some chaos/unpredictability to the team, and that's good to have.

I won't be devastated if we do sell him, but would prefer us to keep hold of him rather than selling to a rival.

3 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

I dont want us to sell Noni. He is one of the few who can and does take on a man and runs at him.... a good trait to have.

What does he do after that

.......... Nothing, just looses the ball or pass to opposition

11 hours ago, guddy69 said:

What does he do after that

.......... Nothing, just looses the ball or pass to opposition

And that is if he is lucky enough to get past him and not run straight into him..

13 hours ago, bluedave said:

I like Noni, and until a few weeks ago I would have said he's our best winger, but Neto's overtaken him in my view recently. He doesn't always make the right decisions, but he brings some chaos/unpredictability to the team, and that's good to have.

I won't be devastated if we do sell him, but would prefer us to keep hold of him rather than selling to a rival.

Wouldn’t read too much into his performances in something that is essentially a preseason. He ended the season with 4 goals & 6 assists, which is just isn’t good enough. Can’t see the improvements fans keep referring to towards the end of the season; he had 1 goal & 2 assists in our last 10 PL games.

He has admitted he struggles with the low block which is essentially 80% of our PL opponents, and if you watch him when he faces it he just knocks it past them and runs behind. Granted he looks good in the Club World Cup but there is acres of space behind.

16 hours ago, ducavis said:

Players like Saka and Salah don’t get benched or need a rest. If he goes there he will be picking up 5-10mins every game, and the odd Cup game. There is also the England/World Cup angle where he will be playing backup to his competition for an England place. If Arsenal & Newcastle are his options, he will opt for Newcastle. He has better chances of getting game time out there

And Saka's increasingly frequent injuries are the price he pays for Arteta flogging him into the ground. Salah gets away with it because he doesn't work anywhere near as hard as Saka.

23 minutes ago, dermott said:

And Saka's increasingly frequent injuries are the price he pays for Arteta flogging him into the ground. Salah gets away with it because he doesn't work anywhere near as hard as Saka.

I actually like when my star player doing what Salah is doing. Help us press and just track back a bit.

Watching Saka tracking fb all the way to he halfway line is crazy

17 hours ago, bluedave said:

I like Noni, and until a few weeks ago I would have said he's our best winger, but Neto's overtaken him in my view recently. He doesn't always make the right decisions, but he brings some chaos/unpredictability to the team, and that's good to have.

I won't be devastated if we do sell him, but would prefer us to keep hold of him rather than selling to a rival.

A month it was Noni. A month it was Sancho. A month it was Neto.

Kinda underlines the issue. None are good enough to be out and out starters yet we always had 2 of them playing with us at the very least. Sometimes even all 3 during Jackson's absence.

If our directors can sell him for 50-60M. I'd shut up about our sales part of their job

17 minutes ago, Deino said:

If our directors can sell him for 50-60M. I'd shut up about our sales part of their job

With us spending 60M Gittens i'd want at least that for Madueke tbh

28 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

With us spending 60M Gittens i'd want at least that for Madueke tbh

Correct. A world in which an unproven Gittens is worth £60m, after a single breakout season in the Bundesliga, and Emanga is being spoken about in the realm of £55m - means that Madueke, after 20 goal involvements across 63 premier league games (or 29 goal involvements across 90 chelsea games in all comps) - should be getting £70m+ .

We wont though get that though - because we get our pants pulled down too regularly.

CHO should have been a £30m player....we got peanuts for him (£3m?), Pulisic £20m. Ampadu £7m. Lukaku - free? Ziyech £3m?

With a bit of smoke and a few mirrors we may be able to switch Noni for Raheem at the last minute and make a killing.

17 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Correct. A world in which an unproven Gittens is worth £60m, after a single breakout season in the Bundesliga, and Emanga is being spoken about in the realm of £55m - means that Madueke, after 20 goal involvements across 63 premier league games (or 29 goal involvements across 90 chelsea games in all comps) - should be getting £70m+ .

We wont though get that though - because we get our pants pulled down too regularly.

CHO should have been a £30m player....we got peanuts for him (£3m?), Pulisic £20m. Ampadu £7m. Lukaku - free? Ziyech £3m?

In which alternate universe would CHO have been a £30m player? A shadow of himself post-injury with us, a disastrous loan at Leverkusen where he rarely made it off the bench.

I don’t see the point in selling Noni.. who you have just spent time progressing in the prem, learning the Meresca way etc and replacing him with Gittens who is basically at the same stage as the Noni we bought 2-3yrs ago and it costing us £10m.

Are we getting our rivals players premier league ready for them?

I’m not nonis biggest fan by the way,If we was bringing in an established world class winger then yeah happy days. This just seems like small profit taking while sideways stepping.

I thought Gittens was coming in for Mudryk anyway?

Edited July 3, 20251 yr by C3blue

40 minutes ago, dermott said:

In which alternate universe would CHO have been a £30m player? A shadow of himself post-injury with us, a disastrous loan at Leverkusen where he rarely made it off the bench.

The sales pitch could have been something along the lines of....

How much would you pay for a Chelsea winger with 38 goal contributions for Chelsea, in just 120 game(many of which where he didnt start). Vastly experienced in both the Premier league and Bundesliga, and with a total of 13 goal contributions in top level European competitions -including 7 in the champions league.

Following brilliant football education with the prodigious chelsea youth team , CHO transitioned into the first team squad, with over 120 senior appearances for the club. He has gone on to be a vital part of the Chelsea squads that have won the Europa League, Champions League, CWC and Super Cup. He has gained invaluable experience at the highest level - playing under managers like Sarri, Lampard and Tuchel - bringing pace, directness, and creativity, and an ability to operate on either wing or as a wing-back.

Whats that? you say? £50m? £60m? ... .well, consider it your lucky day... because for this window only, Caltek is available for the bargain price of just £30m and a packet of scampi fries.

20 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

The sales pitch could have been something along the lines of....

How much would you pay for a Chelsea winger with 38 goal contributions for Chelsea, in just 120 game(many of which where he didnt start). Vastly experienced in both the Premier league and Bundesliga, and with a total of 13 goal contributions in top level European competitions -including 7 in the champions league.

Following brilliant football education with the prodigious chelsea youth team , CHO transitioned into the first team squad, with over 120 senior appearances for the club. He has gone on to be a vital part of the Chelsea squads that have won the Europa League, Champions League, CWC and Super Cup. He has gained invaluable experience at the highest level - playing under managers like Sarri, Lampard and Tuchel - bringing pace, directness, and creativity, and an ability to operate on either wing or as a wing-back.

Whats that? you say? £50m? £60m? ... .well, consider it your lucky day... because for this window only, Caltek is available for the bargain price of just £30m and a packet of scampi fries.

Finally someone has stumbled across the Stewart & Winstanley Guide to Recruitment.

The CHO situation is also a good example of the dangers of scrap heaping players over 24-25. Or refusing to sign any.

Do we think over our new young players 8-10 yr contracts they are not going to have injuries or loss of form?

I know we all feared CHO wasn’t the same player after his bad Achilles but the rule is players tend to get better with age not worse, until their legs go then you scrap heap them.

8 minutes ago, C3blue said:

The CHO situation is also a good example of the dangers of scrap heaping players over 24-25. Or refusing to sign any.

Do we think over our new young players 8-10 yr contracts they are not going to have injuries or loss of form?

I know we all feared CHO wasn’t the same player after his bad Achilles but the rule is players tend to get better with age not worse, until their legs go then you scrap heap them.

To make clear, I am not advocating that we should have kept CHO. Just that the £3m we sold him for was stupid

1 hour ago, C3blue said:

I don’t see the point in selling Noni.. who you have just spent time progressing in the prem, learning the Meresca way etc and replacing him with Gittens who is basically at the same stage as the Noni we bought 2-3yrs ago and it costing us £10m.

Are we getting our rivals players premier league ready for them?

I’m not nonis biggest fan by the way,If we was bringing in an established world class winger then yeah happy days. This just seems like small profit taking while sideways stepping.

I thought Gittens was coming in for Mudryk anyway?

They both have their issue with not making the right choice but Gittens is already better than Noni at everything else from what I've seen.

33 minutes ago, Remodez said:

They both have their issue with not making the right choice but Gittens is already better than Noni at everything else from what I've seen.

Well if you feel he’s a definite upgrade and younger to boot then that’s good news.

I haven’t seen enough of Gittens just going off of where they’re at in their development.

37 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

To make clear, I am not advocating that we should have kept CHO. Just that the £3m we sold him for was stupid

Absolutely

13 minutes ago, C3blue said:

Well if you feel he’s a definite upgrade and younger to boot then that’s good news.

I haven’t seen enough of Gittens just going off of where they’re at in their development.

Don't get me wrong neither are good enough for where we aspire to be but at least Gittens has the excuse of only being 20.

1 hour ago, Remodez said:

Don't get me wrong neither are good enough for where we aspire to be but at least Gittens has the excuse of only being 20.

The new player dont necessarily need to be good enough to for where we want to get to, they just need to be a step change towards that position. I`d be happy if we had an owner with a clear aim on how to build towards a specific situation progressively, not really seeing that so far but if Gittens is a step better than what we currently have then Im happy with that.

4 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

To make clear, I am not advocating that we should have kept CHO. Just that the £3m we sold him for was stupid

Think we have a substantial sell-on clause, that's why.

20 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Think we have a substantial sell-on clause, that's why.

We do. I've seen it reported as 50% but never officially declared as far as I know. The likes of Pulisic and RLC have them too.

6 hours ago, dermott said:

In which alternate universe would CHO have been a £30m player? A shadow of himself post-injury with us, a disastrous loan at Leverkusen where he rarely made it off the bench.

In the same world that Nketiah was sold for 30M.