36 minutes ago, just said:

Looks like we have an outside candidate charging hard on the inside rails.

https://www.thechelseachronicle.com/club-news/report-chelsea-close-to-appointing-47-year-old-manager-for-next-season-hes-like-a-father-to-enzo-fernandez/

Lots of online media speculation about him now.

Would probably be a very good choice.

He's widely seen as one of the best managers in the world and would have no issues coping with the pressure considering he's managed River Plate, which is as much pressure as it gets.

He's been studying English for a few months now and will most likely show up in the Premier League somewhere, if a top club* is available.

*or a club pretending to be a top club

13 minutes ago, SwedishEntity said:

Would probably be a very good choice.

He's widely seen as one of the best managers in the world and would have no issues coping with the pressure considering he's managed River Plate, which is as much pressure as it gets.

He's been studying English for a few months now and will most likely show up in the Premier League somewhere, if a top club* is available.

*or a club pretending to be a top club

Can't wait for Potter to get a new club 

9 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Micromanaging is short term thinking and it is the worse thing that you can do if you consider yourself as a big club. 

 

Disagree chief. 

With Pep and City, you can clearly see that the players know where to move the ball and where to position themselves in every sequence of the build up. You can clearly see the patters of play and the players are all in sync. Same goes with Arteta and Arsenal. They all know where to move in order to transition the ball further up the pitch. (Example Saka knowing when to cut inside from out wide so the CB/RB can play it to him on his left foot. Easily escaping an opposition press). 

I haven't seen one ounce of understanding or cohesion between our players. They act as individuals and it is reflective on our league positioning. 

 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Disagree chief. 

With Pep and City, you can clearly see that the players know where to move the ball and where to position themselves in every sequence of the build up. You can clearly see the patters of play and the players are all in sync. Same goes with Arteta and Arsenal. They all know where to move in order to transition the ball further up the pitch. (Example Saka knowing when to cut inside from out wide so the CB/RB can play it to him on his left foot. Easily escaping an opposition press). 

I haven't seen one ounce of understanding or cohesion between our players. They act as individuals and it is reflective on our league positioning. 

 

TBH with a game as fluid as football and with so many unknown variables to account for, I don't believe you can micro-manage to that level of detail. 

2 minutes ago, just said:

TBH with a game as fluid as football and with so many unknown variables to account for, I don't believe you can micro-manage to that level of detail. 

The players don't just randomly perform these sequences of play and develop this level of understanding without it being drilled into them. 

Simple basic understanding, pass to a right footed player to his right hand side, unless marking stops that. Then he is in a position to control it and head off in the direction he wants. And vice versa for left footers. it really gets on my t*&^ how often our lot pass behind each other breaking down any momentum. Reece and chilly getting the ball on the wrong foot, and unable to progress up the field, because it causes them to turn in and back.

You don't have to micromanage everything, but some things you do.

9 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The players don't just randomly perform these sequences of play and develop this level of understanding without it being drilled into them. 

You can set a formation, you can set tactics, you can formulate set play, you can make changes to formations and personnel during a game. That's about it. 

1 minute ago, just said:

You can set a formation, you can set tactics, you can formulate set play, you can make changes to formations and personnel during a game. That's about it. 

Expand on the bold. 

6 minutes ago, Ajbod said:

Simple basic understanding, pass to a right footed player to his right hand side, unless marking stops that. Then he is in a position to control it and head off in the direction he wants. And vice versa for left footers. it really gets on my t*&^ how often our lot pass behind each other breaking down any momentum. Reece and chilly getting the ball on the wrong foot, and unable to progress up the field, because it causes them to turn in and back.

You don't have to micromanage everything, but some things you do.

Well there's one variable you can't control right there.

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Expand on the bold. 

Practice dead ball situations. Both attacking and defensive. You can drill them, practice them, draw them on a flip chart, but in a game all the variables come into play.

30 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The players don't just randomly perform these sequences of play and develop this level of understanding without it being drilled into them. 

Ahh, now I understand why you like Sarriball. 

But you are right if you want to very rigid micromanagement where your team know where the ball will go next then circuit football is the way to go.  As far I know pep/arteta is kinda similar to tuchel, they don't really focus on circuit though. 

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15 minutes ago, just said:

Well there's one variable you can't control right there.

This. 

Micromanagement, pass to a to b  to c. 

Less micromanagement, here is the situation get the ball to the free man within structure. 

I said less because it does not matter who is the manager, even mou who is a bit loose, there is pattern and structure in his team build up phase. 

 

 

Edited April 13, 20233 yr by Bob stark

5 minutes ago, just said:

Practice dead ball situations. Both attacking and defensive. You can drill them, practice them, draw them on a flip chart, but in a game all the variables come into play.

So virtually no coaching in certain phases? Positioning in the 1/3 pitch of build up or creating attacking patterns and intricate sequences of play?

You can argue variables all you'd like but its doesn't change the fact there is still no understanding or direction for the players. They are playing aimlessly. 

6 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Ahh, now I understand why you like Sarriball. 

But you are right if you want to very rigid micromanagement then circuit football is the way to go.  As far I know pep/arteta is kinda similar to tuchel, they don't really focus on circuit training. 

Again, disagree chief.

Both all or nothing documentaries vividly show how intuitive both Pep and Arteta are when it comes to coaching. One has experienced sustained football and success, the other is now challenging such manager with an equally sustainable approach. 

2 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

This. 

Micromanagement, pass to a to b  to c. 

Less micromanagement, here is the situation get the ball to the free man. 

I said less because it does not matter who is the manager, even mou who is a bit loose, there is patter in his team build up phase. 

 

 

It's a bit of both.

Players like Enzo can largely be left to his own devices but the likes of Mudryk and Hall need a coach to truly invest in them on the grass for the immediate future.

Its one of the reasons I'm warming to the idea of Pochettino after years of being against it, he turned Walker and Rose from a Bosingwa lite rightback and nothing player respectively to the best fullback pairing in the league.

13 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

So virtually no coaching in certain phases? Positioning in the 1/3 pitch of build up or creating attacking patterns and intricate sequences of play?

You can argue variables all you'd like but its doesn't change the fact there is still no understanding or direction for the players. They are playing aimlessly. 

Again, disagree chief.

Both all or nothing documentaries vividly show how intuitive both Pep and Arteta are when it comes to coaching. One has experienced sustained football and success, the other is now challenging such manager with an equally sustainable approach. 

I don't understand what you mean by intuitive.

Sarriball = pass the ball to player a, to b to c (automatic)

Tuchel/pep/arteta = this is the structure, this is how opp will defend get the ball to free man. 

13 minutes ago, Argo said:

It's a bit of both.

Players like Enzo can largely be left to his own devices but the likes of Mudryk and Hall need a coach to truly invest in them on the grass for the immediate future.

Its one of the reasons I'm warming to the idea of Pochettino after years of being against it, he turned Walker and Rose from a Bosingwa lite rightback and nothing player respectively to the best fullback pairing in the league.

I think Enzo need tons tons of coaching. His skill set is already elite but in term of managing the game and his positioning as dpl, there are a lot of work to do. 

55 minutes ago, just said:

TBH with a game as fluid as football and with so many unknown variables to account for, I don't believe you can micro-manage to that level of detail. 

Pep is famous for micromanaging 90% of the field. The only place he doesn't micromanage is the penalty box. 

You can clearly see how his players move methodically to bypass the lines. How fluid can their games be when City has 80-90% possession in certain periods of the game?

Also part of the reason why Pep only buys technically astute/gifted players with soldier mentality and he gets rid of anyone who is more individualistic

1 minute ago, Bob stark said:

I think Enzo need tons tons of coaching. His skill set is already elite but in term of managing the game and his positioning as dpl, there are a lot of work to do. 

Agreed. He would be a superstar under Pep in all honesty. 

1 minute ago, Deino said:

Agreed. He would be a superstar under Pep in all honesty. 

If he get correct coaching, he can be a star anywhere. 

36 minutes ago, just said:

Practice dead ball situations. Both attacking and defensive. You can drill them, practice them, draw them on a flip chart, but in a game all the variables come into play.

variables only come into play when the opponent is better at certain things than you. Eg. Messi vs anyone not named Ashley Cole, you know how play will develop just on that alone. All you need then is a Pedro-type player willing to give his heart out to create more space.

 

1 minute ago, Bob stark said:

If he get correct coaching, he can be a star anywhere. 

Agreed but you know with Enzo's vision, speed of thought, ball delivery, he can become on the same level as Xavi or Iniesta. He has that much talent imo

Just now, Deino said:

Agreed but you know with Enzo's vision, speed of thought, ball delivery, he can become on the same level as Xavi or Iniesta. He has that much talent imo

Agree but it doesn't need to be with Pep. Modric has never played for pep and you can put Modric on the same pedestal as xavi/Iniesta. In fact, he was signed to spurs by Harry Redknapp. 

10 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

I don't understand what you mean by intuitive.

Sarriball = pass the ball to player a, to b to c (automatic)

Tuchel/pep/arteta = this is the structure, this is how opp will defend get the ball to free man. 

Noticing and working on the small details that others tend to ignore. 

Forget Sarri for a moment, this is simply about playing with direction and understanding. We still look clueless playing out of a press. We still look clueless on where to move the ball next and we look directionless once in attack. 

You have scenes where Pep and Arteta are screaming at their players in the training room on how to handle certain phases of the game, instructing them on what to do in specific situations. Where to position themselves, where to move the ball next, where to attack the ball, where to fill in the space, etc. It's all reflective on their performances as well. You can see what they want to do. 
 

 

1 minute ago, Bob stark said:

Agree but it doesn't need to be with Pep. Modric has never played for pep and you can put Modric on the same pedestal as xavi/Iniesta. In fact, he was signed to spurs by Harry Redknapp. 

Modric also had the luxury of refining his style with Jose, Zidane, Carlo etc. 37 year old Modric is way way better than when he signed for Madrid 11 years ago. 

Having Pep as Enzo's coach would elevate his game several times just like Pep did with David Silva and KdB. 

Enzo so far hasn't had the pleasure of working with a genuine manager that has mastered midfield playmaking. Lamps was an amazing midfielder but his skillset was popping up with goals and assists. 

Wasn't Modric rated the worst signing in Spain the 12/13 season whilst being managed under Mourinho?