I actually wouldn't be so sure of that! Ive seen some pretty amazing things said over the years! But anyway...

He has explained what he meant by the term and whilst I maintain it wasn't the greatest statement its clear it wasn't meant to be interpreted the way some have - I would suggest everyone moves on now.

Apologies for getting caught up in this and involving myself.

 

I agree, lets move on, The term used is IMO very distasteful!

 

Lets discuss the players attributes, or lack of them as the case may be, and leave the name calling for other players, like old camel face Ferdinand himself!

Tommy I am one million per cent against Gourlay and Buck etc and the sooner these tow the liners are gone the better also.

Torres has been given his role as number 1 striker, he has failed he has nowhere to hide now because he has everything he wants. The board sacked Robbie because Torres wasn't firing and got dropped, my opinion on the saga, he was a £50m investment that a stubborn board would not want to admit was a failure just as Sheva was a failure etc. I believe they actually feel its managers' faults he is not performing and not the player himself..

If you see other threads I have voiced my dissaproval at Roman, Buck and Gourlay to the point of boycotting games as we the fans are Chelsea FC.

Like I said previously, I wanted him to do good i backed him when others wanted him out but now he has no excuses he is still showing that non interested attitude and demeanour on the pitch. He has some top players feeding him chances and he isn't taking them.

All the blues I go to games with or go down the pub to watch games with know that Torres is not the answer for us, but none of them are abusive about him in conversation, in fact we say what a shame it is that its worked out this way.

What makes you think Me, JJ-Blue or any other poster is abusive about him in normal conversation? It's much easier to vent frustrations out on the forum. I have never abused Torres in real life though I do say he is a colossal flop and how I hope he finds himself a new club ASAP.

What makes you think Me, JJ-Blue or any other poster is abusive about him in normal conversation? It's much easier to vent frustrations out on the forum. I have never abused Torres in real life though I do say he is a colossal flop and how I hope he finds himself a new club ASAP.

 

So why do you feel the need to be so abusive about him from behind the safety of your computer screen?

 

 

I act in the real world in exactly the same way as I do on here, I don't feel the need to become someone different!

 

 

I've said before, I have no issue with debating the player, their is no need for the level of abuse that has been on here recently!

Edited January 6, 201313 yr by shedpensioner

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, positive or negative!

 

Personally, I think Torres has influenced many of the very questionable board decisions documented in detail on this thread & elsewhere. The Club have certainly pampered to his every need without the end result!

Therefore, I can totally understand the 'frustrations' of many posters on here directed towards Torres.

 

It seems Torres is directly or indirectly responsible for many of the on-field & off-field issues affecting this Club.

 

I don't think opinion is that divided tbh. I suspect most of us would prefer the Club moves on from the Torres (mis-firing) years. It's just that we all express this quite differently ...

Tommy I am one million per cent against Gourlay and Buck etc and the sooner these tow the liners are gone the better also.

Torres has been given his role as number 1 striker, he has failed he has nowhere to hide now because he has everything he wants. The board sacked Robbie because Torres wasn't firing and got dropped, my opinion on the saga, he was a £50m investment that a stubborn board would not want to admit was a failure just as Sheva was a failure etc. I believe they actually feel its managers' faults he is not performing and not the player himself..

If you see other threads I have voiced my dissaproval at Roman, Buck and Gourlay to the point of boycotting games as we the fans are Chelsea FC.

Like I said previously, I wanted him to do good i backed him when others wanted him out but now he has no excuses he is still showing that non interested attitude and demeanour on the pitch. He has some top players feeding him chances and he isn't taking them.

I really can't see that, you know. AVB wasn't sacked for leaving Torres on the bench, or even for dropping Torres as soon as Drogba returned from injury. The board are bang out of order certainly, but I feel it's wrong to blame Torres. Criticise his attitude and his performance by all means, but there is no way that he was responsible for forcing Drogba out, and I seriously doubt whether he was either directly or indirectly responsible for their decision to replace Robbie.

 

I think it's far more true to say that they never wanted Robbie in the first place. He was fine as AVB's number two, and when they decided it wast time to get shot of AVB, the intention was to leave him in charge until the end of the season. Winning the Champions League presented them with a problem. As a reward they gave him that two year contract, but that's all it was, a reward. They never had any intention of letting him see out his contract. And so as soon as we hit our customary seasonal blip, they took the opportunity to get rid of him, replacing him with the biggest currently available name. There's a strong possibility, I think that the board would have appointed Benitez at the end of last season had we not won the Champions League.

So why do you feel the need to be so abusive about him from behind the safety of your computer screen?

 

 

I act in the real world in exactly the same way as I do on here, I don't feel the need to become someone different!

 

 

I've said before, I have no issue with debating the player, their is no need for the level of abuse that has been on here recently!

I'm not someone different my position is clear, I hate Torres and think he is a awful player both in terms of ability and attitude. I see no reason to insult him in real life as i would rather discuss other things such as our midfield and transfer targets. I also doubt many people start shouting "Torres you're sh*te" from the stands.

You mentioned making snide comments I'm order to get likes a few posts back. I don't care about likes, I post what I feel and as Torres is such a big talking point due to his position in the club I have a lot to post about him and most of it won't be nice...

I respect your posts and your opinion Tommy, the opinions of Shedpensioner and Bluehatter mean nothing to me, Bluehatter strikes me as a Liverpool fan who has came here because he likes Torres and I just can't take Shedpensioner seriously based on his previous posts.

 

Davey Baby? is that you? have you set up a second account just to double your Torres / bluehatter bashing? - I'm on to you!

I'm not someone different my position is clear, I hate Torres and think he is a awful player both in terms of ability and attitude. I see no reason to insult him in real life as i would rather discuss other things such as our midfield and transfer targets. I also doubt many people start shouting "Torres you're sh*te" from the stands.

You mentioned making snide comments I'm order to get likes a few posts back. I don't care about likes, I post what I feel and as Torres is such a big talking point due to his position in the club I have a lot to post about him and most of it won't be nice...

So you think posting abusive messages on a Chelsea forum about a Chelsea player is normal?

Any other message forum I have been on and members would be banned for such clear abusive comments to a player at the club.

I don't care if you hate him or not but can you not just try and ad like an adult and not include abusive slurs when posting on here?

If you are a child then I apologise and will await you to grow up but if not then I'd suggest you buck up your ideas.

Edited January 6, 201313 yr by RFC_CFC

I'm not someone different my position is clear, I hate Torres and think he is a awful player both in terms of ability and attitude. I see no reason to insult him in real life as i would rather discuss other things such as our midfield and transfer targets.

 

If you see no reason to insult him in real life why do it here?, Genuine question.

 

If you would rather spend more time discussing our midfield & transfer targets in real life, again why not do that on here? again genuine question.

 

IMO the reason that you are so abusive to Torres on here, is that you have anonimity!

Edited January 6, 201313 yr by shedpensioner

Davey Baby? is that you? have you set up a second account just to double your Torres / bluehatter bashing? - I'm on to you!

 

It's 1 of Daveys many alter egos!

If you see no reason to insult him in real life why do it here?, Genuine question.

 

If you would rather spend more time discussing our midfield & transfer targets in real life, again why not do that on here? again genuine question.

 

IMO the reason that you are so abusive to Torres on here, is that you have anominity!

Simple reason - because I've already discussed them enough with people's who's opinions I value.

But alas you've already formed your own opinion of why a number of my posts concern Torres and his inability to play Football or his effect on the club. I've never insulted his appearance etc, just his ability. But it's fine, think what you want about me I've already said I'm not too interested in your opinion.

I'm not someone different my position is clear, I hate Torres and think he is a awful player both in terms of ability and attitude.  I see no reason to insult him in real life as i would rather discuss other things such as our midfield and transfer targets. I also doubt many people start shouting "Torres you're sh*te" from the stands.

You mentioned making snide comments I'm order to get likes a few posts back. I don't care about likes, I post what I feel and as Torres is such a big talking point due to his position in the club I have a lot to post about him and most of it won't be nice...

a) you have no reason to insult him in real life? - as opposed to what? this fantasy world we are currently in? This is the problem these day, people can hide away behind a keyboard and spout nonsense online which they would be ashamed to say to a listening audience or the subject of the debate. I wonder how many people would have the balls to tell torres face to face that they think he is a cancer on the club? Many people get very brave behind a keyboard....when more often than not they are cowards.

b) Maybe it would be a start to take a leaf out of your "real life" book and start discussing constructive things on here then? just a thought! I and no doubt countless others would love to hear proper opinions, thoughts, contructive critiscims etc. It would be an infinate improvement on bashing torres on every thread for the sake of it.

Simple reason - because I've already discussed them enough with people's who's opinions I value.

But alas you've already formed your own opinion of why a number of my posts concern Torres and his inability to play Football or his effect on the club. I've never insulted his appearance etc, just his ability. But it's fine, think what you want about me I've already said I'm not too interested in your opinion.

So are you saying that you come on this forum to type views that you wouldnt want to give to "real life" people, and that you do that with the intent to share your views with people whose opinions you do not value?

And the Torres fan boys are here. Nice to see the personal insults perhaps you should aim them at your idol.

The man is a cancer and is the single biggest problem with the club aside from Romans itchy trigger finger which can be forgiven as Roman has put a lot into the club and genuinely wants it to succeed. Torres doesn't, he just doesn't care and is happy to collect his unbelievably high pay check while giving little back to the club or it's fans.

I can't stand the man he's mentally weak and doesn't work hard enough to compensate, but I'm also angry we signed him. I didn't rate him much at Liverpool when he was scoring. The whole team was se up for him and he still didn't look that impressive, in his prime I wouldn't say he was worth more than 30 Million but a clearly finished Torres costing 50 Million? Madness.

As soon as he is forced out we can get back on the right track, until then this joke of a players shadow will hang over the whole club including the manager who will be tasked with getting the best out of a player who isn't good enough for the championship.

 

No You've never abused him personally have you?

So are you saying that you come on this forum to type views that you wouldnt want to give to "real life" people, and that you do that with the intent to share your views with people whose opinions you do not value?

No.

Try again?

No.

Try again?

Can you please help me out then?

 

1) You were asked  "If you see no reason to insult him in real life why do it here?" and " If you would rather spend more time discussing our midfield & transfer targets in real life, again why not do that on here?"

 

2) And you replied:  "Simple reason - because I've already discussed them enough with people's who's opinions I value."

 

1+2 = 3) Your answer states that you have already discussed your views on our midfield and transfer targets etc, with people whose opinions you value no less. That implies (to me at least, hence my request for your clarification) that you choose to come online to spout the torres is a cancer/c**t/any other anti torres nonsense with people whose opinons you do not value ?

Can you please help me out then?

1) You were asked "If you see no reason to insult him in real life why do it here?" and " If you would rather spend more time discussing our midfield & transfer targets in real life, again why not do that on here?"

2) And you replied: "Simple reason - because I've already discussed them enough with people's who's opinions I value."

1+2 = 3) Your answer states that you have already discussed your views on our midfield and transfer targets etc, with people whose opinions you value no less. That implies (to me at least, hence my request for your clarification) that you choose to come online to spout the torres is a cancer/c**t/any other anti torres nonsense with people whose opinons you do not value ?

Since you asked so nicely I will clarify things for you.

1) he rarely tends to come up in conversation in real life. If he does it's usually a quick case of "he is sh*t" before we move into people who could replace him. People on here follow the media too much, for example I said Ba would still sign within the week when apparently talks had broken down. I'd rather discuss such issues with people who look at things more objectively.

The main reasos i come here is for the match thread as I tend to watch most matches at home and like to keep in touch with fellow Chelsea fans and to vent my anger at the club. Most of it is directed at Torres.

2) there are some opinions I value on here, just not the people I've responded to today in this thread.

Edit - we're getting off topic, let's get back to Torres and his inability to contribute to the team

Edited January 6, 201313 yr by Hazard_a_guess?

Since you asked so nicely I will clarify things for you.

1) he rarely tends to come up in conversation in real life. If he does it's usually a quick case of "he is sh*t" before we move into people who could replace him. People on here follow the media too much, for example I said Ba would still sign within the week when apparently talks had broken down. I'd rather discuss such issues with people who look at things more objectively.

The main reasos i come here is for the match thread as I tend to watch most matches at home and like to keep in touch with fellow Chelsea fans and to vent my anger at the club. Most of it is directed at Torres.

2) there are some opinions I value on here, just not the people I've responded to today in this thread.

Edit - we're getting off topic, let's get back to Torres and his inability to contribute to the team

 

So if you come for the match thread, stick to that instead of making yourself look a fool on this one.

 

Do you value the opinion of those that only agree with you?

Edited January 6, 201313 yr by shedpensioner

So if you come for the match thread, stick to that instead of making yourself look a fool on this one.

 

Do you value the opinion of those that only agree with you?

Not at all that would be a rather foolish way to look at things.

Why do continue to converse with me when I have already made it clear I don't care about what you think?

I do it to annoy you!

I do it to annoy you!

It's not working but I appreciate the dedication.

Since you asked so nicely I will clarify things for you.

1) he rarely tends to come up in conversation in real life. If he does it's usually a quick case of "he is sh*t" before we move into people who could replace him. People on here follow the media too much, for example I said Ba would still sign within the week when apparently talks had broken down. I'd rather discuss such issues with people who look at things more objectively.

The main reasos i come here is for the match thread as I tend to watch most matches at home and like to keep in touch with fellow Chelsea fans and to vent my anger at the club. Most of it is directed at Torres.

2) there are some opinions I value on here, just not the people I've responded to today in this thread.

Cheers for the clarification...it is good to know that we (the shed end) are the valve that allows you to vent your anger.  Given that you have responded to me today, i am no doubt one of the ones whose opinion you do not value, the others being Maksimov (who you replied to at 6.09pm), Tommy Docherty ( who you replied to at 7.29 pm) and shed pensioner (who you replied to at 8.51pm).

 

Is there any particular reason why you do not value their  (our) opinions, as from where i stand, the views of all those posters, myself included, and your own viewpoint seem to be the same. i.e  We all think torres is past it and needs replacing in the team.

 

The only difference that i can see seems to be that we ( the people who you do not respect) all feel the derogatry insults and the clogging up every other thread with Torres bashing is not needed. So is it our views  on torres (which appear to be the same as yours) that you do not respect, or is it that we do not bash torres for the sake of it that you do not respect?

Edited January 6, 201313 yr by nonotnowjim

Cheers for the clarification...it is good to know that we (the shed end) are the valve that allows you to vent your anger.  Given that you have responded to me today, i am no doubt one of the ones whose opinion you do not value, the others being Maksimov (who you replied to at 6.09pm), Tommy Docherty ( who you replied to at 7.29 pm) and shed pensioner (who you replied to at 8.51pm).

 

Is there any particular reason why you do not value their  (our) opinions, as from where i stand, the views of all those posters, myself included, and your own viewpoint seem to be the same. i.e  We all think torres is past it and needs replacing in the team.

 

The only difference that i can see seems to be that we ( the people who you do not respect) all feel the derogatry insults and the clogging up every other thread with Torres bashing is not needed. So is it our views  on torres (which appear to be the same as yours) that you do not respect, or is it that we do not bash torres for the sake of it that you do not respect?

I did forget about Tommy in my previous post, I do actually value his opinion. Sorry for the contradiction.

It's nothing personal and it has nothing to do with us having different opinions or in the case of Torres similar opinions. I have never read a post from Maksimov before and I don't tend to value opinions from people unless I get to know them, he presented some good points but I can't say I know enough about him for his opinion to have much weight.

It's similar case with you and Shedpensioner, you've not given me any reasons to value your opinions. The personal comments about me didn't help either, and as far as I'm concerned are a different kettle of fish to comments about Torres or any other player but that's not really important. We all have our own opinions and we're all entitled to them but that doesn't mean we have to take on board each others.

Once again it's nothing against you or other posters but don't always expect me to consider your opinion valid just as I don't expect you to think much of my opinion on occasions.

Hopefully that answers your questions and we can get back to Torres.

Jjblue has always been like that its norhing new to the torres situation. I was on q forum where he was a member for a few years and he only ever came in to rant and swear at people and performances.