I don't think any of us 'hate' Torres. We want him to perform as much as anybody. It's frustrating at times. Very frustrating, but I just feel it's time he moved on. No hard feelings. It's not his fault he's had a bad injury. He tries hard. He's under an enormous amount of pressure.

Unfortunately their are people on here who have expressed their hatred of him as a person not just in footballing terms.

 Hatred, Jesus wept

 

As mentioned every time I've been posting here:

If our board wasn't run by a bunch of muppets who can accept the fact they made a big financial mistake and he wasn't played 90 minutes every match; if we hadn't sold and loaned virtually every other striker in the club in the period of less than 1 year; if we had actually looked into signing a proper forward to compete with Torres in the summer; or at the very least gave Lukaku and Sturridge time on the field instead of a player who was under performing this thread would not be nearly 200 pages. 

Torres got preferential treatement by both the board and certain posters. 

On the flip side people who questioned posters's allegiance for the club based on the fact that they had bad words or were frustrated at an under performing player have a word with yourself - and don't wonder why that lead to hostility toward Torres. 

Fact is that your blind devotion to the blonde one - lead to further animosity towards him by the same people you went on arguing for pages. 

 

Personally I've felt those are the two factors due to this thread leading to so many replies, if people were more realistic they would all have been in agreement as far back as last season that he didn't warrant to be our automatic first choice striker - something which became abundantly clear to me during the Swansea match and subsequent failure to score for 24 hours. That has been my position, the other thing I though is that he should be sold at the earliest opportunity instead of continuing to pay his huge wage. 

Edited January 8, 201313 yr by Las7

I can't feel sorry for FT when he's getting 210,000 pounds a week to play football.

Exactly. I dont feel sorry for him. He earns more a week than most people do in 9 to 10 YEARS!

Also as for him always trying hard, i must be watching a different Torres because i think most of the time he is lazy. He only seems to work hard after he has scored a goal, then his whole game changes.

People compare him to Sheva but i think that is an insult to Sheva. Sheva did always work hard and never bitched and moaned like a little girl. He came in not being wanted by the manager at the time and worked his socks off every game, he did what he could to help the team.

 Hatred, Jesus wept

 

As mentioned every time I've been posting here:

If our board wasn't run by a bunch of muppets who can accept the fact they made a big financial mistake and he wasn't played 90 minutes every match; if we hadn't sold and loaned virtually every other striker in the club in the period of less than 1 year; if we had actually looked into signing a proper forward to compete with Torres in the summer; or at the very least gave Lukaku and Sturridge time on the field instead of a player who was under performing this thread would not be nearly 200 pages. 

Torres got preferential treatement by both the board and certain posters. 

On the flip side people who questioned posters's allegiance for the club based on the fact that they had bad words or were frustrated at an under performing player have a word with yourself - and don't wonder why that lead to hostility toward Torres. 

Fact is that your blind devotion to the blonde one - lead to further animosity towards him by the same people you went on arguing for pages. 

 

Personally I've felt those are the two factors due to this thread leading to so many replies, if people were more realistic they would all have been in agreement as far back as last season that he didn't warrant to be our automatic first choice striker - something which became abundantly clear to me during the Swansea match and subsequent failure to score for 24 hours. That has been my position, the other thing I though is that he should be sold at the earliest opportunity instead of continuing to pay his huge wage. 

 

Nailed it ... spot on imho ... Ba scores twice on his debut. Torres takes approx. 8 months in a blue shirt to score 2 premiership goals & still he's defended to the hilt by blind devotion from some fans. The favourtism shown towards him by the Club & some fans has been unbelievable, at times despite over-whelming evidence he's totally lost it on the pitch. No wonder there's frustration building up & a clear split amongst us fans. Although finally I think most are now in agreement that he ought to go. However, it's taken months & months for the penny to finally drop for many. Ps. I'm 100% sure Torres is a wonderful guy ... At the end of the day Torres will leave this Club financially set-up for life ... what have we, the fans got from this relationship? Very little & 100s of forum pages fiercely debated, often splitting us, the fans. Good ridence imho ...

 Hatred, Jesus wept

 

As mentioned every time I've been posting here:

If our board wasn't run by a bunch of muppets who can accept the fact they made a big financial mistake and he wasn't played 90 minutes every match; if we hadn't sold and loaned virtually every other striker in the club in the period of less than 1 year; if we had actually looked into signing a proper forward to compete with Torres in the summer; or at the very least gave Lukaku and Sturridge time on the field instead of a player who was under performing this thread would not be nearly 200 pages. 

Torres got preferential treatement by both the board and certain posters. 

On the flip side people who questioned posters's allegiance for the club based on the fact that they had bad words or were frustrated at an under performing player have a word with yourself - and don't wonder why that lead to hostility toward Torres. 

Fact is that your blind devotion to the blonde one - lead to further animosity towards him by the same people you went on arguing for pages. 

 

Personally I've felt those are the two factors due to this thread leading to so many replies, if people were more realistic they would all have been in agreement as far back as last season that he didn't warrant to be our automatic first choice striker - something which became abundantly clear to me during the Swansea match and subsequent failure to score for 24 hours. That has been my position, the other thing I though is that he should be sold at the earliest opportunity instead of continuing to pay his huge wage. 

 

 

Nailed it ... spot on imho ... Ba scores twice on his debut. Torres takes approx. 8 months in a blue shirt to score 2 premiership goals & still he's defended to the hilt by blind devotion from some fans. The favourtism shown towards him by the Club & some fans has been unbelievable, at times despite over-whelming evidence he's totally lost it on the pitch. No wonder there's frustration building up & a clear split amongst us fans. Although finally I think most are now in agreement that he ought to go. However, it's taken months & months for the penny to finally drop for many. Ps. I'm 100% sure Torres is a wonderful guy ... At the end of the day Torres will leave this Club financially set-up for life ... what have we, the fans got from this relationship? Very little & 100s of forum pages fiercely debated, often splitting us, the fans. Good ridence imho ...

 

Ah so its some people fault that they want to be be decent human beings, that others have found it fine to call Torres a c**t & a cancer.

 

Get real guys, if you don't like the guys footballing abilities thats fine, but lots of posters on here have attacked him in a personal way, nothing to do with his football!

 

So he's financially set up for life now, do you not think he was finacially set up for life when he was at Athletico & Liverpool? He came here not to fleece the club, but to succeed, its not worked out thats all. Their is no need to personally attack him for that.

Nearly 200 pages about this waster 

So why were folk feeling 'sorry' for Danny when he was here?

 

 

He was earning big money and has already pished all over the club despite only being gone a week or so.

People will not admit that it is personal with Torres, but if you read their posts it's very clear they single the one player out for abuse on here.

Nailed it ... spot on imho ... Ba scores twice on his debut. Torres takes approx. 8 months in a blue shirt to score 2 premiership goals & still he's defended to the hilt by blind devotion from some fans. The favourtism shown towards him by the Club & some fans has been unbelievable, at times despite over-whelming evidence he's totally lost it on the pitch. No wonder there's frustration building up & a clear split amongst us fans. Although finally I think most are now in agreement that he ought to go. However, it's taken months & months for the penny to finally drop for many. Ps. I'm 100% sure Torres is a wonderful guy ... At the end of the day Torres will leave this Club financially set-up for life ... what have we, the fans got from this relationship? Very little & 100s of forum pages fiercely debated, often splitting us, the fans. Good ridence imho ...

What blind devotion?: Any sense of perspective regarding Torres has long gone out the window. The amount of anti-Torres rabble rousing has far outweighed any Torres defence, to the extent that any statement deemed not adequately anti-Torres runs the risk of being written by a Torres fanboy, Torres apologist, or even a closet Liverpool fan.

 

Torres has been blamed not only for the presence of the interim manager, but for forcing Drogba out, and apparently he's even got a part to play in getting rid of Frank Lampard. It doesn't take blind loyalty to disagree with any of that. It does however, take blind hatred, or blind hostility if you like, to blame Torres for everything that goes wrong at the club.

 

It's now reached the stage where even a call for reason, a reaction against this hostility, is dismissed as "blind devotion". See we all know the reasons for the hostility. The vast majority of us accept that Torres has been a massive disappointment.

 

I've never been in the pro-Torres or the anti-Torres camp. Despite my misgivings, I wanted him to be a success in a Chelsea shirt. He wasn't, he's not, and barring a miracle, he never will be. This has been accepted, I think, by even Torres' staunchest defenders. And yet if you complain about or express boredom with the sheer amount of venom directed towards Torres that spills over into any number of threads, then you run the risk of being dismissed as a blindly devoted fanboy. Which quite frankly, is bollocks.

 

Just one question, where are all these fanboys, these blindly devoted Torres lovers I keep reading about? Even among his so-called defenders, you'd have to search long and hard to find the last post describing Torres as anything but a disappointment at best, and an abject failure at worst.

What blind devotion?: Any sense of perspective regarding Torres has long gone out the window. The amount of anti-Torres rabble rousing has far outweighed any Torres defence, to the extent that any statement deemed not adequately anti-Torres runs the risk of being written by a Torres fanboy, Torres apologist, or even a closet Liverpool fan.

 

Torres has been blamed not only for the presence of the interim manager, but for forcing Drogba out, and apparently he's even got a part to play in getting rid of Frank Lampard. It doesn't take blind loyalty to disagree with any of that. It does however, take blind hatred, or blind hostility if you like, to blame Torres for everything that goes wrong at the club.

 

It's now reached the stage where even a call for reason, a reaction against this hostility, is dismissed as "blind devotion". See we all know the reasons for the hostility. The vast majority of us accept that Torres has been a massive disappointment.

 

I've never been in the pro-Torres or the anti-Torres camp. Despite my misgivings, I wanted him to be a success in a Chelsea shirt. He wasn't, he's not, and barring a miracle, he never will be. This has been accepted, I think, by even Torres' staunchest defenders. And yet if you complain about or express boredom with the sheer amount of venom directed towards Torres that spills over into any number of threads, then you run the risk of being dismissed as a blindly devoted fanboy. Which quite frankly, is bollocks.

 

Just one question, where are all these fanboys, these blindly devoted Torres lovers I keep reading about? Even among his so-called defenders, you'd have to search long and hard to find the last post describing Torres as anything but a disappointment at best, and an abject failure at worst.

Fantastic post Tommy.

Well said mate.

Danny wasnt given a fair chance thats why. Torres was put in the team week in week out offering next to nothing. Danny was sat on the bench (sometimes not even making that) watching Torres do nothing.

Danny called us a small club.

Every player that goes to Liverpool claim they are a massive club and go on about their history. I take it with a pinch of salt now. Im sure Joe said something like that also when he joined them. Its just to get the fans on side. Coming from us to them is like a Spurs player joining us.

Its a quick easy way to get the fans on side.

We all know the truth. We know what we are!!!

Danny wasnt given a fair chance thats why. Torres was put in the team week in week out offering next to nothing. Danny was sat on the bench (sometimes not even making that) watching Torres do nothing.

 I quite agree that danny wasnt given a fair chance. I highlighted this on the sturridge thread where such comments belong. However to blame that on Torres is farcical.

 

The blame for Danny Sturridge not getting a fair chance lays at the shoulders of Robbir Di Matteo, who dropped him like a ton of bricks once he took over, and/or Roman and the board for  putting such a pressure on manager (should they do so - all speculation)  that the manager feels forced to play our more expensive players.

 

Players should play on merit, not based on price tag. For that reason i agree that Studge deserved more of a chance after RDM took over last year as he was in better goalscoring form than Drogba or Torres. This year Danny should also have been giveb more of a chance but due to the fact that he was one of two strikers, however he was injured for large periods of the season. however to blame Torres for Sturridge not being picked is ludicrous. What should he do? Say, "actually gaffer, I am not in good form, so better that you play sturridge instead whilst i continue to pick up my pay cheque" ?

I defended Torres long after most people gave up on him and were calling him a girl and much worse, but there is only so much I can take, and after that game against West Brom where he clearly didn't give two sh*ts, forced RDM to start without a striker against Juve, leading to him getting the sack, that was enough.

 

If players are on bad form or are having trouble mentally then ok i'm all for getting behind them, but what I saw that day was a culmination of what has really been the problem all along, and that is that he just does not give a f**k about football, particularly for Chelsea (he's slightly better for Spain). There have been a few flashes of him caring, like that run and goal at the Nou Camp, but they are few and far between.

 

If the board hadn't been so insane as to get rid of Drogba and loan off his replacement at the start of the season, Torres could have been rotated more and i'll give him that it's not his fault he's had to play virtually every game this season. Or maybe it is, because according to Carlo, Torres could never have performed until he had Drogba and any other strong competition out of the way.

 

Saying he hasn't at least played a part in the demise of Carlo and Robbie is a flat lie, the departure of Drogba was probably going to happen regardless as we'd won the Champions League, but lack of effort and form is the primary reason why our season has gone to sh*t.

 

The only other blame rests with the board who have taken this long to do something about it.

Danny called us a small club.

 

No he did not.

I defended Torres long after most people gave up on him and were calling him a girl and much worse, but there is only so much I can take, and after that game against West Brom where he clearly didn't give two sh*ts, forced RDM to start without a striker against Juve, leading to him getting the sack, that was enough.

 

If players are on bad form or are having trouble mentally then ok i'm all for getting behind them, but what I saw that day was a culmination of what has really been the problem all along, and that is that he just does not give a f**k about football, particularly for Chelsea (he's slightly better for Spain). There have been a few flashes of him caring, like that run and goal at the Nou Camp, but they are few and far between.

 

If the board hadn't been so insane as to get rid of Drogba and loan off his replacement at the start of the season, Torres could have been rotated more and i'll give him that it's not his fault he's had to play virtually every game this season. Or maybe it is, because according to Carlo, Torres could never have performed until he had Drogba and any other strong competition out of the way.

 

Saying he hasn't at least played a part in the demise of Carlo and Robbie is a flat lie, the departure of Drogba was probably going to happen regardless as we'd won the Champions League, but lack of effort and form is the primary reason why our season has gone to sh*t.

 

The only other blame rests with the board who have taken this long to do something about it.

 

Lets break your post down.

 

After Torres performance in the WBA game, Robbie CHOSE not to play with a striker in the Juve game after Sturridge became injured, no-one FORCED Robbie to do anything, he was the manager, he made his choices!

 

The part where you state that Torres doesn't care about football & Chelsea in particular is just your opinion and has no basis for arguement.

 

The Board DIDN'T get rid of Drogba, it was always fairly obvious that he was going to leave at the end of the 2011/2012 season and Drogba CHOSE to leave on a high note with his final kick of a ball in a Chelsea shirt having won the European Cup.

 

Torres has had NOTHING to do with the sacking of any managers, again that is just pure SPECULATION on yours and others part.

 

You also state that the OTHER blame lies with the board, 2 points here, first they were wrong to purchase Torres as he never fitted into our style of play, and it's obvious now that he was in decline, second once they had bought him is it not reasonable that they would do all they could to gain the maximum out of him, i.e bring in players to suit him?

 

I hope this clears things up for you.

Well he implied it by saying that the bin-dippers were the biggest club in the PL. And considering that he just left us...

 

Oh this is the Torres thread? Hope Ba starts tonight instead of our baffling No.9.

What blind devotion?: Any sense of perspective regarding Torres has long gone out the window. The amount of anti-Torres rabble rousing has far outweighed any Torres defence, to the extent that any statement deemed not adequately anti-Torres runs the risk of being written by a Torres fanboy, Torres apologist, or even a closet Liverpool fan.

 

Torres has been blamed not only for the presence of the interim manager, but for forcing Drogba out, and apparently he's even got a part to play in getting rid of Frank Lampard. It doesn't take blind loyalty to disagree with any of that. It does however, take blind hatred, or blind hostility if you like, to blame Torres for everything that goes wrong at the club.

 

It's now reached the stage where even a call for reason, a reaction against this hostility, is dismissed as "blind devotion". See we all know the reasons for the hostility. The vast majority of us accept that Torres has been a massive disappointment.

 

I've never been in the pro-Torres or the anti-Torres camp. Despite my misgivings, I wanted him to be a success in a Chelsea shirt. He wasn't, he's not, and barring a miracle, he never will be. This has been accepted, I think, by even Torres' staunchest defenders. And yet if you complain about or express boredom with the sheer amount of venom directed towards Torres that spills over into any number of threads, then you run the risk of being dismissed as a blindly devoted fanboy. Which quite frankly, is bollocks.

 

Just one question, where are all these fanboys, these blindly devoted Torres lovers I keep reading about? Even among his so-called defenders, you'd have to search long and hard to find the last post describing Torres as anything but a disappointment at best, and an abject failure at worst.

Absolutely bang on, any perspective on Torres has long been lost and some of the utter gubbins written about him on here now is embarrassing.

Well he implied it by saying that the bin-dippers were the biggest club in the PL. And considering that he just left us...

 

Right, so now he implied it instead of said it?

 

He implied nothing of the kind. He described Chelsea as a big club, saying, "When you play for big clubs you sometimes don't get another chance to play for a big club".

 

He said he was grateful for this chance and described Liverpool as the biggest club he's played for, which they certainly have claim to be. If he said they were the biggest in the land he is wrong, because Man Utd are.

 

He's just joined them and he's bound to make a few good noises about them but to say he said/implied we were a small club is just false.

Right, so now he implied it instead of said it?

 

He implied nothing of the kind. He described Chelsea as a big club, saying, "When you play for big clubs you sometimes don't get another chance to play for a big club".

 

He said he was grateful for this chance and described Liverpool as the biggest club he's played for, which they certainly have claim to be. If he said they were the biggest in the land he is wrong, because Man Utd are.

 

He's just joined them and he's bound to make a few good noises about them but to say he said/implied we were a small club is just false.

 

Well he certainly implied we were smaller anyway. Liverpool are fimly stuck in their past, they aint a big club no more.

 

I'm not so stubborn to think we are bigger than Man Utd, you're right, we aren't.  

Danny called us a small club.

 

He really didnt

Lets break your post down.

 

After Torres performance in the WBA game, Robbie CHOSE not to play with a striker in the Juve game after Sturridge became injured, no-one FORCED Robbie to do anything, he was the manager, he made his choices!

 

The part where you state that Torres doesn't care about football & Chelsea in particular is just your opinion and has no basis for arguement.

 

The Board DIDN'T get rid of Drogba, it was always fairly obvious that he was going to leave at the end of the 2011/2012 season and Drogba CHOSE to leave on a high note with his final kick of a ball in a Chelsea shirt having won the European Cup.

 

Torres has had NOTHING to do with the sacking of any managers, again that is just pure SPECULATION on yours and others part.

 

You also state that the OTHER blame lies with the board, 2 points here, first they were wrong to purchase Torres as he never fitted into our style of play, and it's obvious now that he was in decline, second once they had bought him is it not reasonable that they would do all they could to gain the maximum out of him, i.e bring in players to suit him?

 

I hope this clears things up for you.

 

I think you know what I meant when I said he forced Robbie, obviously not in the literal sense of the term, but his performance was so bad and the team's form was slumping because of it, that Robbie had to change it up as the pressure was on him to get results.

 

I stated later in my post that Drogba was likely going to leave after the CL win regardless.

 

We were top of the table in the 2011 season for the entire time until Torres was bought, then we had the worst run of form in the RA era because it took him 1000 minutes to score a solitary goal, which ended up costing us any chance of silverware, and that clearly cost Carlo his job. Again, he didn't personally fire him, but he was clearly a major reason in that season being ruined and costing Carlo his job. Again, i'm fairly sure you understood what I meant when I originally made that statement. 

 

And yes the board was wrong to purchase him to begin with, especially for such a ridiculous sum of money, and no I don't think it's reasonable that we build our team  around our weakest player, would make a lot more sense to build it around our strongest.

 

Most of what I just said was fairly self-explanatory, but you felt the need to nitpick...

What I find funny is the hypocrisy

 

If you mean Lukaku, I think you were watching a different game, he tried to turn on the ball at one point and I'm sure I heard .............................

beep beep.......this vehicle is reversing .............. beep beep .......... this vehicle is reversing!!

And his control is non-existant!!

if we have spent the money people have said we have on this lad, we've been mugged, theirs an agent somewhere absolutely pissing himself!!

 

This is your post after one of Lukaku's rare appearances last season.

 

Yet the "hate" for Torres is uncalled for.

Danny called us a small club.

Allow me to clear up a little confusion here. Danny did call Chelsea a small club, but not Danny Sturridge. Some typically bitter semi-literate idiot of a Liverpool fan commenting on a Sky Sports article concerning Sturridge's medical prior to moving stated that:

 

all these so called chelsea fans getting on sturridge's back, come on lets have it right, he wants to play for a big club, lets be honest, a club with unlimited funds doesnt make them a big club, chelsea are a small club with deep pockets, nothing more, im supprised rafa has given chelsea the time of day, i mean, he cant be skint surely

 

And the name of muppet who put his name to that pile of drivel? dannylfc.