are you talking about this play?

 

The way I was taught to play the game, is that if you make a challenge & miss the ball it's a foul. So if you look again, it's a foul on the gooner. The refs failed us again.

 

Nah I was looking for an old replay of hernandez either mish*tting a shot or failing to go around a keeper where the keeper then takes him out after the ball has gone out for a throw but united got a penalty for it. Cant find it and I didnt want to wade through the bowels of youtubes hernandez videos.

 

"mish*tting" is probably a better description of what he did, thanks forum censor.

 

And yes, Oscars chin could have done some serious damage to ospinas head.

Edited April 28, 201511 yr by Stim

Never mind about yellow card or penalty, he should be charged with GBH, he was like a thug let loose.

 

are you talking about this play?

 

The way I was taught to play the game, is that if you make a challenge & miss the ball it's a foul. So if you look again, it's a foul on the gooner. The refs failed us again.

 

So we're clear that hit would get an american football player ejected from a game.  He led with the top of his head to Oscar's face- here the NFL calls that "targeting".  No idea how Ospina stayed on the pitch for that one. 

So we're clear that hit would get an american football player ejected from a game.  He led with the top of his head to Oscar's face- here the NFL calls that "targeting".  No idea how Ospina stayed on the pitch for that one. 

 

You are correct. If this was the NFL, Ospina would have been fined & possibly suspended. Now in the NFL, players are using helmets & pads to protect their bodies. The NFL is trying to move away from the hard contact like the Oscar/Ospina incident, because there has been numerous spinal & head injuries. Of course an old timer like me enjoyed the violent display of a "good hit", but players are now trying to prevent such incidents remaining as common place due to safety concerns & the long term impact their daily lives. Sorry for the drawn out explanation, but DL you have made a damn good point.

If oscar pushes the ball past him and is going to run on to it and the keeper stops him I agree its a pen but he'd had his shot

 

Barak, I'm convinced you've been hacked by the same guy that wanted us to sign Balotelli (that couldn't have been you either).

 

Tell the admin and they'll sort it out. We want our barak back. We miss him.

 

Look at your post above and tell that madman to stop hacking your account, I'm beginning to think it might be Balotelli himself.

 

You're saying that if Oscar pushes the ball past him and gets clattered into by the keeper it's a pen.

 

Well guess what? Oscar did push the ball past him, he pushed it towards the goal.

 

Let's presume you mean push it in another direction, i.e. not towards the goal.

 

So you're saying, if he changes the angle of his foot, or if the ball comes off a different part of his boot, and goes in another direction, i.e. not towards the goal, then it's a pen.

 

Poor old Oscar, if only he knew. He's getting penalised for trying to score. We must warn him against that next time.

 

Next time he's trying to score we'll tell him to push it in another direction, to be on the safe side.

 

It can come off the side of his boot but not the front, is that it? It can come off his left boot but not his right? Is that it? He can shank it but not skew it? Is that what you're saying?

 

He was wearing red boots. What if they were green? Would that make any difference?

 

Please tell us.

 

Barak, it doesn't matter what direction the ball takes off his boot, it doesn't matter if it goes sideways, backwards, forwards, or all the way to Jupiter.

 

The only thing that matters is that he gets there first.

 

He wins the race.

 

The ball can come off his bum, his neck, his shoulder, his head.

 

He gets there first.

 

Ospina gets there last.

 

Oscar was early.

 

Ospina was late.

 

You're advocating some sort of footballing anarchy.

 

"Sorry I was late ref, shall we play on?"

 

I can see how that might appeal to you Mario but barak is far more sensible than that.

Doesnt need to change is angle, just needs to have the abiliy to catch the ball after it goes by the keeper. He doesnt. The fact that Oscar gets taken out by the keeper doesnt hinder a scoring opportunity. He already took the shot, he cant do anything more at that point. I think thats the refs thougt process and why he didnt give a pen

Edited April 28, 201511 yr by Xfaxtor

When I have I take about angles.

I simply asked, if Ospina stops still just after Oscar launches the ball over him, the ball goes in, we score but Oscar clatters the keeper. Should the goal stand??

And was it a pen if the gohst goal hadn't been given?

Don't k ow where this angles thong comes from

And who is balloteli

And who is balloteli

 

Shut up Mario.

I simply asked, if Ospina stops still just after Oscar launches the ball over him, the ball goes in, we score but Oscar clatters the keeper. Should the goal stand??

 

Of course the goal should stand, and if it doesn't go in, we should get a pen for obstruction.

Doesnt need to change is angle, just needs to have the abiliy to catch the ball after it goes by the keeper.

 

In other words, hit it true, no pen.

 

Scuff it and you get a pen.

 

Are you Mario Balotelli's twin brother?

Doesnt need to change is angle, just needs to have the abiliy to catch the ball after it goes by the keeper. He doesnt. The fact that Oscar gets taken out by the keeper doesnt hinder a scoring opportunity. He already took the shot, he cant do anything more at that point. I think thats the refs thougt process and why he didnt give a pen

If a player takes a shot from outside the area and immediately after striking the ball a defender slides in and takes his standing leg from under him that's going to be a free kick regardless that a shot has happened.

A shot, a pass, a dribble. Doesn't matter. A foul has taken place and so it should be awarded and the offender punished accordingly.

I was watching ESPNFC today & Peter Walton, who was an Ex-EPL ref was on the show. He was saying that It should have been a PK, because Ospina was nowhere near the ball. He recklessly launched himself into Oscar. Again I was taught as a GK if I get to the ball, then no foul. If I miss the ball or don't touch the ball, then it's a foul.

All this debate about denying a goalscoring opportunity is a red herring. What happened to the ball after Oscar flicked it away is irrelevant. He was completely clattered by an opposition player long after the ball had gone. That's a clear foul and inside the area it's a penalty. Had it happened anywhere else on the pitch it wouldn't even be arguable.

Well first off I actually thought Oscar was offside, no one seems to be mentioning this so I had to double check to see if my eyes were deceiving me and he was just offside. Here's the best image I can find; http://i.imgur.com/2zn6PKT.png

 

As for the foul itself, when I saw it happened I thought nothing of it because I've been conditioned by refs nowadays who never give fouls if the player gets their shot of. Rightfully or wrongly, it seems to be some unwritten rule among refs so fair play to Oliver for being consistent I guess. 

Edited April 29, 201511 yr by Remodez

If a player takes a shot from outside the area and immediately after striking the ball a defender slides in and takes his standing leg from under him that's going to be a free kick regardless that a shot has happened.

A shot, a pass, a dribble. Doesn't matter. A foul has taken place and so it should be awarded and the offender punished accordingly.

Except that almost never happens in the penalty area when the attacker gets his shot off. Defenders lau ch thenselces into blocks all the time and just wipes out attackers after a shot. If it had happened anywere else on the pitch its a clear freekick. Like Remodez sats, it aeens to be an unwritten rule among refs, same as with diffrent rules for shirt pulling and holding inside the box compared to outside

Well first off I actually thought Oscar was offside, no one seems to be mentioning this so I had to double check to see if my eyes were deceiving me and he was just offside. Here's the best image I can find; http://i.imgur.com/2zn6PKT.png

 

Looks like the right back is playing him onside to me

Looks like the right back is playing him onside to me

I think part of his body is just ahead of the right back's arm that's playing him on, I don't think they highlighted this on MOTD or Skysports so I guess we will never know for sure. Not a blatant offside by any means but enough for a linesman to spot regardless. 

Looks like the right back is playing him onside to me

Yup.

 

^ Nice catch, I stand corrected. 

^ Nice catch, I stand corrected. 

 

To be honest, I thought it was just offside too looking at the replay. So credit to the linesman there.

Being a linesman has to be one of the toughest jobs in football, I have a lot of sympathy for officials who make wrong offside decisions.

 

Just look how close that call is.

Being a linesman has to be one of the toughest jobs in football, I have a lot of sympathy for officials who make wrong offside decisions.

 

Just look how close that call is.

 

Which is why I think they should revert back to the old offside system of, if you're in front of the last defender you're offside. 

 

None of this "is he interfering with play" nonsense. That rule makes no sense to given the speed at which the game is played... The linesman on top of running the line is now having to make judgement calls if players are active during phases of play... Too much to do in my view. Keep the rules simple to avoid confusion and help to improve consistency with decisions. 

It was a clear penalty. You can think of times when players are one on one with the keeper and they knock it around the keeper and let the keeper take them out for a penalty. Sometimes they kick the ball off the pitch, or in a direction, with too much power where they won't get to it yet as long as the keeper takes them out it should be a penalty.

It was a clear penalty. You can think of times when players are one on one with the keeper and they knock it around the keeper and let the keeper take them out for a penalty. Sometimes they kick the ball off the pitch, or in a direction, with too much power where they won't get to it yet as long as the keeper takes them out it should be a penalty.

 

 

By this token Suarez never dived for one penalty last season

I am genuinely baffled that some think that was not a penalty!

The 'shot' he got away was an attempt at knocking the ball over his head to follow up with a tap in...

It was clumsy, reckless and dangerous.