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Eden Hazard - Chelsea Legend

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I don't really agree with him not being able handle the pressure, he coped with it well enough last season.

Also at 19/20 he was expected to be difference maker at lille which he coped fine with with and helped them to a league title as well.

This season has gone poor for him, and for the entire squad, but he has won individual and team accolades in each of the 6 seasons prior, which says to me this season is more of blip rather than a sign of him being a flash in the pan.

He won't put up the numbers of the likes of bale, Ronaldo, Neymar etc, but I wouldn't say that would stop him from being classed as world class if he can consistently perform and create to his highest level.

There's been plenty of world class attacking midfielders that don't score regularly.

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    Systems often get built around a teams best player. Look at Barca with Messi under pep and Real with Cristiano. Fair enough a player has to adapt in some way to a system but a good manager would adapt their system to get the best out of the players he has. Not just push square pegs into round holes. This is why Conte should be great, there are many reports that he doesn't come with a set system yet analyses the players and plays whatever suits them. Hopefully he'll be able to build his team around our key players (Hazard,Cesc, Costa).

     

    I would be worried if we would depend too much on certain players, in this case Hazard. It is good for the collective to step up when the main players aren't doing well. Conte also gives chances to youth apparently and only to players that ''die for the team'' on the pitch. I believe he will struggle to pick the current starting eleven with that criteria :smile:  then again they will have to improve for the new manager or simply they will leave the club.

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    I don't really agree with him not being able handle the pressure, he coped with it well enough last season.

    Also at 19/20 he was expected to be difference maker at lille which he coped fine with with and helped them to a league title as well.

    This season has gone poor for him, and for the entire squad, but he has won individual and team accolades in each of the 6 seasons prior, which says to me this season is more of blip rather than a sign of him being a flash in the pan.

    He won't put up the numbers of the likes of bale, Ronaldo, Neymar etc, but I wouldn't say that would stop him from being classed as world class if he can consistently perform and create to his highest level.

    There's been plenty of world class attacking midfielders that don't score regularly.

     

    I agree. The likes of Zidane, Ronaldinho, Zola, Best etc.. were never hitting a goal a game yet were all world class players and legends in their teams. They contributed so much more to the team than just goals, much like Hazard has for the past 6 years or so. 

     

    I would be worried if we would depend too much on certain players, in this case Hazard. It is good for the collective to step up when the main players aren't doing well. Conte also gives chances to youth apparently and only to players that ''die for the team'' on the pitch. I believe he will struggle to pick the current starting eleven with that criteria :smile:  then again they will have to improve for the new manager or simply they will leave the club.

     

    I'm just hoping and praying that Conte comes in and really revitalizes the team and make us world beaters again. I can't really think of any better managers that are available other than Conte to do that. 

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    The biggest thing for me at the weekend is that he looked leaner than he has done all season, and also had a lot more fight and explosiveness about him. I don't know if the pressure got to him but De Visser's comments about his attitude do have some ring of truth to them.

     

    The lad just got lazy for me though. He got fat in pre-season, he never looked 100% and then he struggled with injuries and fitness. Hopefully this is a wake-up call for him that he has to start taking his career seriously and Conte is probably on of the best coaches to remind him of that if he forgets. He owes the fans next season though because I think the one thing a professional should do is turn up in August prepared properly. 

    So winning the league and getting EPL player of the season last season was so much pressure for Eden that it resulted in this season's performance?

     

    Ya, I can see why some people are desperate to label him world class and build the team around him LOL.  Shame some people forget that the team Hazard "carried" last season also consisted of the best defence in the league, the highest assist provider in the league, the then best holding mid in the league and a 20 league goals a season striker.  Poor Hazard, all that slack to carry all season long.......

     

    You can credit Mourinho with destroying Hazard but just remember the only time Hazard looked World Class over a season at CFC was through that process of destruction.  Otherwise, you get a guy who struggled to win CFC player of the year in a team that never looked close to winning the league.  Funny the short memories.

     

    Oh and Lille.  Yes Hazard was fantastic at Lille.  Why shouldnt he of been?  It was the same Lille in the same Ligue 1 where Kalou was looking pretty top notch too.  Shame CFC plays in the BPL and not Ligue 1.  Probably have about 12 league titles in a row by now had the standard been that of Ligue 1.  Unfortunately the BPL is a whole new level of competitive football (aside from maybe one team in Ligue 1).  Apparently even Luiz is a top defender in that league.

     

    Oh, and for the comparison of Hazard to the likes of Zidane, Best and Ronaldinho.....Im still waiting to hear how they are similar asides from what you claim to be a failure to score a goal a game.  I dont recall any of those people ever having a season like this and at their best, their achievements tower over Hazards.

     

     Lets not get silly and equate a single BPL POTY winner to Ballon D'or winners....especially when that POTY season was followed by this season.

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    So winning the league and getting EPL player of the season last season was so much pressure for Eden that it resulted in this season's performance?

    Ya, I can see why some people are desperate to label him world class and build the team around him LOL. Shame some people forget that the team Hazard "carried" last season also consisted of the best defence in the league, the highest assist provider in the league, the then best holding mid in the league and a 20 league goals a season striker. Poor Hazard, all that slack to carry all season long.......

    You can credit Mourinho with destroying Hazard but just remember the only time Hazard looked World Class over a season at CFC was through that process of destruction. Otherwise, you get a guy who struggled to win CFC player of the year in a team that never looked close to winning the league. Funny the short memories.

    Oh and Lille. Yes Hazard was fantastic at Lille. Why shouldnt he of been? It was the same Lille in the same Ligue 1 where Kalou was looking pretty top notch too. Shame CFC plays in the BPL and not Ligue 1. Probably have about 12 league titles in a row by now had the standard been that of Ligue 1. Unfortunately the BPL is a whole new level of competitive football (aside from maybe one team in Ligue 1). Apparently even Luiz is a top defender in that league.

    Oh, and for the comparison of Hazard to the likes of Zidane, Best and Ronaldinho.....Im still waiting to hear how they are similar asides from what you claim to be a failure to score a goal a game. I dont recall any of those people ever having a season like this and at their best, their achievements tower over Hazards.

    Lets not get silly and equate a single BPL POTY winner to Ballon D'or winners....especially when that POTY season was followed by this season.

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    It's pretty obvious you place a lot of the blame for our poor season and jose's dismissal, at the feet of hazard. Which I find strange considering according to you he was never that good in the first place!

    You ridicule his achievements in France, which I find strange as hazard achieved more in French football than say Drogba, or the pillar of consistency ronaldinho ever did. Surely both would be poty every season in such a weak French league? The league must be a walk in the park if kalou had a decent scoring record there? Kalou's record wasn't much different to his best season in England, especially when you take into account how many more minutes he played in France, and the fact he played more as a striker.

    Is hazard world class? I guess it depends on what you deem to be world class. At his best, he is confident, decisive, exciting, and is the difference between a win or a loss. It's those attributes that I think he shares with the likes of Zidane nd ronaldinho.

    If his career was to decline from here on in, I'd system he fell just short of being that top level of player, as it is I don't he's peaked yet, which is why I hope we don't sell him and miss out on his best years.

    You also talk about short memories, and use the fact that hazard lost out to mata for poty in his first 2 seasons in English football as a negative for hazard. Do you not remember how good mata was during that period? Hazard may not have won our poty but he finished in the team of the year in both those seasons, and won young player of the year in his second. Short memories indeed.

    I'm willing to put this season aside and give hazard the chance to redeem himself. I understand you want to get rid as I'm sure there are hundreds of players as good as you think he is. I just don't understand why you seem so aggressive about it.

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    chelsea player of the year twice in a row. in the pfa team of the year every season before this one. won the pfa young player of the year and then the outright player of the year. did the same in france. arrived in the league at 21 and became a key player immediately. has given me some of my most enjoyable moments in terms of individual performance I have ever seen in my time supporting the club.

     

     

     

    he's had a rubbish season- like most of the squad- and has been hit with a number of injuries for the first time in his career really. but given the above he still has my backing and I remain convinced he's a fantastic player. 

     

    what I want is a fitter, happier hazard at the club next season. and I think we may well get that. I really don't think there is anything to gain from carrying grievances into next season. 

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    So pundits picking fault with Hazard and Fabregas saying we don't want Tottenham to win the league, just heard that talksport actually asked the FA if they'd take disciplinary action....like they think they are some sort of governing body, not even joking. How soft has the game become? Stan Collymore on talksport trying to claim lack of professionalism, is he on crack? He's the definition of unprofessional.

    If he stays I'd like to see him move over to the right flank next season, or as wide/advanced playmaker in the channels. If he continues playing left wing week in week out I fear it will be more of the same - opponents know how to play against him and when he isn't firing on all cylinders he lacks the physicality to adapt his game (unlike Bale/Ronaldo). Ideally I'd hope we sign someone like Arnautovic or Perisic to take some of the pressure of him.

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    A question for you Special One, or someone else with system knowledge?

     

     

    Is there someone, a Chelsea player, or perhaps a next season Chelsea player who could let play Eden much better?

     

    So winning the league and getting EPL player of the season last season was so much pressure for Eden that it resulted in this season's performance?

     

    Ya, I can see why some people are desperate to label him world class and build the team around him LOL.  Shame some people forget that the team Hazard "carried" last season also consisted of the best defence in the league, the highest assist provider in the league, the then best holding mid in the league and a 20 league goals a season striker.  Poor Hazard, all that slack to carry all season long.......

     

    You can credit Mourinho with destroying Hazard but just remember the only time Hazard looked World Class over a season at CFC was through that process of destruction.  Otherwise, you get a guy who struggled to win CFC player of the year in a team that never looked close to winning the league.  Funny the short memories.

     

    Oh and Lille.  Yes Hazard was fantastic at Lille.  Why shouldnt he of been?  It was the same Lille in the same Ligue 1 where Kalou was looking pretty top notch too.  Shame CFC plays in the BPL and not Ligue 1.  Probably have about 12 league titles in a row by now had the standard been that of Ligue 1.  Unfortunately the BPL is a whole new level of competitive football (aside from maybe one team in Ligue 1).  Apparently even Luiz is a top defender in that league.

     

    Oh, and for the comparison of Hazard to the likes of Zidane, Best and Ronaldinho.....Im still waiting to hear how they are similar asides from what you claim to be a failure to score a goal a game.  I dont recall any of those people ever having a season like this and at their best, their achievements tower over Hazards.

     

     Lets not get silly and equate a single BPL POTY winner to Ballon D'or winners....especially when that POTY season was followed by this season.

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    I've not seen anyone on this forum as bitter as you Barry. 

     

    Hazard did carry the team last season when Cesc's assists dried up, Costa's goals dropped off and Matic wasn't the destroyer he was at the start.

     

    Ridiculing the Ligue 1 is very unfair. Kalou has also done very well in the Bundesliga, is that also an awful league by your understanding? Hazard won the player of the year twice in that league when he was 19 and 20, not exactly an easy achievement in any league.

     

    The comparisons to Zidane, Best Ronaldinho and Zola are all fair by the way they can influence a game and completely change it with a single dribble or pass. Ronaldinho has had many poor seasons since leaving Barca.

     

    Lets not forget that its not 'just a single BPL player of the year award' is it? We going to ignore the rest of his individual honours? 

     

     

    ::clap2::

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    A question for you Special One, or someone else with system knowledge?

     

     

    Is there someone, a Chelsea player, or perhaps a next season Chelsea player who could let play Eden much better?

     

    There is. His name is Eden Hazard.

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    If he stays I'd like to see him move over to the right flank next season, or as wide/advanced playmaker in the channels. If he continues playing left wing week in week out I fear it will be more of the same - opponents know how to play against him and when he isn't firing on all cylinders he lacks the physicality to adapt his game (unlike Bale/Ronaldo). Ideally I'd hope we sign someone like Arnautovic or Perisic to take some of the pressure of him.

    Whats is gonna be different with him lining up on the right? He swaps wings in game quite often already

    It's pretty obvious you place a lot of the blame for our poor season and jose's dismissal, at the feet of hazard. Which I find strange considering according to you he was never that good in the first place!

    You ridicule his achievements in France, which I find strange as hazard achieved more in French football than say Drogba, or the pillar of consistency ronaldinho ever did. Surely both would be poty every season in such a weak French league? The league must be a walk in the park if kalou had a decent scoring record there? Kalou's record wasn't much different to his best season in England, especially when you take into account how many more minutes he played in France, and the fact he played more as a striker.

    Is hazard world class? I guess it depends on what you deem to be world class. At his best, he is confident, decisive, exciting, and is the difference between a win or a loss. It's those attributes that I think he shares with the likes of Zidane nd ronaldinho.

    If his career was to decline from here on in, I'd system he fell just short of being that top level of player, as it is I don't he's peaked yet, which is why I hope we don't sell him and miss out on his best years.

    You also talk about short memories, and use the fact that hazard lost out to mata for poty in his first 2 seasons in English football as a negative for hazard. Do you not remember how good mata was during that period? Hazard may not have won our poty but he finished in the team of the year in both those seasons, and won young player of the year in his second. Short memories indeed.

    I'm willing to put this season aside and give hazard the chance to redeem himself. I understand you want to get rid as I'm sure there are hundreds of players as good as you think he is. I just don't understand why you seem so aggressive about it.

    Oh, I dont blame Hazard alone for Mourinho's departure.  I just feel he most embodies the lack of effort by certain players that resulted in this season.  I think this club will regret making thinking this is a player to build around for the future.  His best years here came under a manager whose methods were apparently too much despite our modern player legends thriving under the same conditions.  That speaks volumes to me.  

     

    Kind of my point. Hazard's Ligue One accolades mean as little as Drogba's (oh, he won every individual award that Hazard did in that league save Young Player).  Drogba has a mountain of non-Ligue once evidence to cement his status.  Maybe Hazard will too, but he hasnt yet so why judge him based on best hope whims instead of his his current career trajectory in real life?  

     

    This was the year he was supposed to kick on and cement himself as a top class talent in the world of football.  Instead he crumbled like a paper cup ran over by a cement truck.  And, if I am to believe what is being said, all because the one season where he fulfilled expectations (as a top talent/potential future Ballon D'or winner ) was just too much for him mentally and/or physically.

     

     

    Im not saying terrible (although we could easily say hundreds of players have been better this season), but limited by his mentality. Ive stated he'd probably win the Ballon D'or (maybe even multiple) if he had the drive of Lampard to go with his incredible natural talents.  I've also stated that he has the same shooting %s as Ronaldo, meaning I feel he could put up similar numbers if he just had the desire.  It's a mental issue and I dont see any improvement and am fully inclined to believe he will prove the case and not the exception in not just magically developing a huge work ethic and drive required for even the most naturally talented to be a true world class player.

     

    If being WC was judged by at your best, we'd have to give the nod to Andy Carrol, Mario Balotelli etc etc but we dont because WC means you can do it damn near every time.  Thats why I am still asking to be shown the world class attacking player who had a season like Hazard's whilst in their prime years.  It doesnt happen over the course of a whole season to world class players.

     

     

    Oh, and of course I remember how good Mata was.  Was heart broken when he left.....but if the team can improve as much as it did despite selling our back to back POTY winner, imagine what could happen if we got twice that money for a player who just put in the season Hazard did.  Yes a Hazard on top form is hard to replace, shame he will apparently need a recovery season after every season where he lives up to the hype.

     

    I also feel my zeal/aggression on this topic is no greater than many who take the opposite view.  I feel backing a player like Hazard to take the club forward is a huge mistake and I am pretty passionate about this club, if that helps you to understand. 

    I've not seen anyone on this forum as bitter as you Barry. 

     

    Hazard did carry the team last season when Cesc's assists dried up, Costa's goals dropped off and Matic wasn't the destroyer he was at the start.

     

    Ridiculing the Ligue 1 is very unfair. Kalou has also done very well in the Bundesliga, is that also an awful league by your understanding? Hazard won the player of the year twice in that league when he was 19 and 20, not exactly an easy achievement in any league.

     

    The comparisons to Zidane, Best Ronaldinho and Zola are all fair by the way they can influence a game and completely change it with a single dribble or pass. Ronaldinho has had many poor seasons since leaving Barca.

     

    Lets not forget that its not 'just a single BPL player of the year award' is it? We going to ignore the rest of his individual honours? 

     

     

    ::clap2::

    You should try reading some of your own posts regarding other Chelsea figures then. 

     

    Funny.  You despise Ivanovic despite his season being no worse than Hazard's and him having a better list of accolades...ditto Mourinho.  Why is this proof of one persons class but not applicable to others?

     

    Again, you're comparing Balon D'or winners who have acheived all their is in football to a player who hasn't won most of the biggest prizes and hasnt even made the shortlist for Balon D'or.   You can say its a fair comparison but to me its a comparison that clearly shows the gap between them at this point. 

     

     Yup Ronaldinho fell off, guess who else has? Or is that not a fair comparison now? That Hazard will ever come back to the levels of last season is pure speculation.  I struggle to think of a comparison where that has happened before.

     

    As stated, this was the season (after finally having what could be called a World Class season) where Hazard was supposed to kick on and prove he was worthy of the hype.  You tell me what he has proved this season.

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    Oh, I dont blame Hazard alone for Mourinho's departure. I just feel he most embodies the lack of effort by certain players that resulted in this season. I think this club will regret making thinking this is a player to build around for the future. His best years here came under a manager whose methods were apparently too much despite our modern player legends thriving under the same conditions. That speaks volumes to me.

    Kind of my point. Hazard's Ligue One accolades mean as little as Drogba's (oh, he won every individual award that Hazard did in that league save Young Player). Drogba has a mountain of non-Ligue once evidence to cement his status. Maybe Hazard will too, but he hasnt yet so why judge him based on best hope whims instead of his his current career trajectory in real life?

    This was the year he was supposed to kick on and cement himself as a top class talent in the world of football. Instead he crumbled like a paper cup ran over by a cement truck. And, if I am to believe what is being said, all because the one season where he fulfilled expectations (as a top talent/potential future Ballon D'or winner ) was just too much for him mentally and/or physically.

    Im not saying terrible (although we could easily say hundreds of players have been better this season), but limited by his mentality. Ive stated he'd probably win the Ballon D'or (maybe even multiple) if he had the drive of Lampard to go with his incredible natural talents. I've also stated that he has the same shooting %s as Ronaldo, meaning I feel he could put up similar numbers if he just had the desire. It's a mental issue and I dont see any improvement and am fully inclined to believe he will prove the case and not the exception in not just magically developing a huge work ethic and drive required for even the most naturally talented to be a true world class player.

    If being WC was judged by at your best, we'd have to give the nod to Andy Carrol, Mario Balotelli etc etc but we dont because WC means you can do it damn near every time. Thats why I am still asking to be shown the world class attacking player who had a season like Hazard's whilst in their prime years. It doesnt happen over the course of a whole season to world class players.

    Oh, and of course I remember how good Mata was. Was heart broken when he left.....but if the team can improve as much as it did despite selling our back to back POTY winner, imagine what could happen if we got twice that money for a player who just put in the season Hazard did. Yes a Hazard on top form is hard to replace, shame he will apparently need a recovery season after every season where he lives up to the hype.

    I also feel my zeal/aggression on this topic is no greater than many who take the opposite view. I feel backing a player like Hazard to take the club forward is a huge mistake and I am pretty passionate about this club, if that helps you to understand.

    You should try reading some of your own posts regarding other Chelsea figures then.

    Funny. You despise Ivanovic despite his season being no worse than Hazard's and him having a better list of accolades...ditto Mourinho. Why is this proof of one persons class but not applicable to others?

    Again, you're comparing Balon D'or winners who have acheived all their is in football to a player who hasn't won most of the biggest prizes and hasnt even made the shortlist for Balon D'or. You can say its a fair comparison but to me its a comparison that clearly shows the gap between them at this point.

    Yup Ronaldinho fell off, guess who else has? Or is that not a fair comparison now? That Hazard will ever come back to the levels of last season is pure speculation. I struggle to think of a comparison where that has happened before.

    As stated, this was the season (after finally having what could be called a World Class season) where Hazard was supposed to kick on and prove he was worthy of the hype. You tell me what he has proved this season.

    You've made some good points, although I don't agree with many of them. I will answer one point for you though, zidane only scored 2 goals in 40 games, In 98-99 season, when he was current wpoty. Nedved scored 2 in 43, just a couple of seasons before winning Balon D'or.

    It's actually a pretty pointless argument though, as there are so many different circumstances as why hazard's form dropped off this year, but you wanted examples and I've given you 2 based on goals scored, which is seems to be the yard stick these days.

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    Oh, I dont blame Hazard alone for Mourinho's departure.  I just feel he most embodies the lack of effort by certain players that resulted in this season.  I think this club will regret making thinking this is a player to build around for the future.  His best years here came under a manager whose methods were apparently too much despite our modern player legends thriving under the same conditions.  That speaks volumes to me.  

     

    Kind of my point. Hazard's Ligue One accolades mean as little as Drogba's (oh, he won every individual award that Hazard did in that league save Young Player).  Drogba has a mountain of non-Ligue once evidence to cement his status.  Maybe Hazard will too, but he hasnt yet so why judge him based on best hope whims instead of his his current career trajectory in real life?  

     

    This was the year he was supposed to kick on and cement himself as a top class talent in the world of football.  Instead he crumbled like a paper cup ran over by a cement truck.  And, if I am to believe what is being said, all because the one season where he fulfilled expectations (as a top talent/potential future Ballon D'or winner ) was just too much for him mentally and/or physically.

     

     

    Im not saying terrible (although we could easily say hundreds of players have been better this season), but limited by his mentality. Ive stated he'd probably win the Ballon D'or (maybe even multiple) if he had the drive of Lampard to go with his incredible natural talents.  I've also stated that he has the same shooting %s as Ronaldo, meaning I feel he could put up similar numbers if he just had the desire.  It's a mental issue and I dont see any improvement and am fully inclined to believe he will prove the case and not the exception in not just magically developing a huge work ethic and drive required for even the most naturally talented to be a true world class player.

     

    If being WC was judged by at your best, we'd have to give the nod to Andy Carrol, Mario Balotelli etc etc but we dont because WC means you can do it damn near every time.  Thats why I am still asking to be shown the world class attacking player who had a season like Hazard's whilst in their prime years.  It doesnt happen over the course of a whole season to world class players.

     

     

    Oh, and of course I remember how good Mata was.  Was heart broken when he left.....but if the team can improve as much as it did despite selling our back to back POTY winner, imagine what could happen if we got twice that money for a player who just put in the season Hazard did.  Yes a Hazard on top form is hard to replace, shame he will apparently need a recovery season after every season where he lives up to the hype.

     

    I also feel my zeal/aggression on this topic is no greater than many who take the opposite view.  I feel backing a player like Hazard to take the club forward is a huge mistake and I am pretty passionate about this club, if that helps you to understand. 

    You should try reading some of your own posts regarding other Chelsea figures then. 

     

    Funny.  You despise Ivanovic despite his season being no worse than Hazard's and him having a better list of accolades...ditto Mourinho.  Why is this proof of one persons class but not applicable to others?

     

    Again, you're comparing Balon D'or winners who have acheived all their is in football to a player who hasn't won most of the biggest prizes and hasnt even made the shortlist for Balon D'or.   You can say its a fair comparison but to me its a comparison that clearly shows the gap between them at this point. 

     

     Yup Ronaldinho fell off, guess who else has? Or is that not a fair comparison now? That Hazard will ever come back to the levels of last season is pure speculation.  I struggle to think of a comparison where that has happened before.

     

    As stated, this was the season (after finally having what could be called a World Class season) where Hazard was supposed to kick on and prove he was worthy of the hype.  You tell me what he has proved this season.

     

    But.. but.. He did get nominated for the Ballon D'or shortlist just last year, Barry..? 

     

    http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2295822.html

     

    Not only that he also came 8th altogether. Ahead of Iniesta, Ibrahimovic, Aguero, Pogba, Bale, Benzema, Robben etc. The list goes on.

     

    I'm pretty sure he's won quite a few 'big prizes' as well.

     

    Would you like to try again?

     

    :good2:

    Edited by RIP Mourinho

    One wonders:

    Surely the fact hazards' best seasons at Chelsea came under Jose proves that he COULD handle the pressure of playing under Jose?

    Oh wait, some third party said he can't handle the pressure under jose. Better compose a rambling diatribe, contradicting myself at every turn. Again.

    Edited by g3.7

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