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It's a question.

 

Schurrle is schurrley coming (see what I did there?) for big money.

 

We do not even know who the manager will be next season and I very much doubt the club know, yet we are signing first-team players before we've even got his consent.

 

Ridiculous if you ask me, and it certainly won't impress the likes of Jose.

 

If a proper manager comes the power wielded by the likes of Emenalo and Gourlay diminishes.

 

Only recently we had Gourlay saying we would be buying three first-team players in the summer.

 

I'm not realy sure what player recruitment has to do with him.

 

I think these guys should drop it and just concentrate on getting the right man in the dugout and let him take care of the rest.

 

What do you guys think .. ?

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I agreed when someone mentioned that a new manager would be agreed for long before the end of the season so he might very well have listed transfer targets in the meanwhile, whoever he is.

 

On schurrle however, I take players with 1 year left on their contract linked to us with a grain of salt. Almost always about getting a new improved contract. see: toure.

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Its certainly not the first time players have been bought before we've had a manager (trying to think of examples of who exactly, mind has gone blank but it has happened!!)

Where is the concrete info on Schurrle? I haven't seen too many articles in a while, but I have been a good boy recently and refrained from visiting the tabloid sites.

For all we know Roman could have bent the next manager's ear and got to work early (if we are moving for this guy at all that is).

I fully agree though that its hardly ideal to be doing business without the new coach / manager at least appearing involved.

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Where is the concrete info on Schurrle? I haven't seen too many articles in a while, but I have been a good boy recently and refrained from visiting the tabloid sites.

 

Not just the tabloids, all the broadsheets are saying it's a done deal.

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What do you guys think .. ?

I think none of us know what's happening behind the scenes, so we shouldn't jump to conclusions based on any players we might or might not buy. Like people have said, we might already have our next manager figured out. And yeah, I'm sure Jose was hopping mad that we signed Cech and Robben before he came to the club.

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Im pretty sure that the new manager is already lined up. So who is to say that the powers that be havent spoke to the new guy and asked his opinion. Saying that, its the way that football is going now days. Managers are a thing of the past, more and more we see first team coaches and directors of football etc.

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Im pretty sure that the new manager is already lined up. So who is to say that the powers that be havent spoke to the new guy and asked his opinion. Saying that, its the way that football is going now days. Managers are a thing of the past, more and more we see first team coaches and directors of football etc.

 

Good point that.

 

Makes you wonder why it's done this way nowday's or indeed is it any better than just letting the new guy make his choices in the summer. 

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Absolutely agree - why should a glorified whore with no knowledge of football and no direct interaction or involvement with the team have any say in our transfer dealings or in anything for that matter?

 

Ron Gourlay should stick to what he knows - fellating businessmen for sponsorship deals and tips. Of course the problem is that any world class manager (i.e. exactly the kind we need to attract) will have a huge problem with this policy, leaving us with the overspill, which is why we're currently managed by a post-prime off-cu[n]t like Rafa Benitez.

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You can have a coach and a director of football that's not the problem, the problem is when the director of football starts telling the coach what players he needs.

Let the coach decide footballing matters i.e what players he wants for what positions in whatever formation he wants and let the director of football handle business matters i.e go and negotiate transfers and contracts for said players.

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The Schurrle deal is only going to make sense or not when we see the final details.

 

If KDB has been included as a part exchange in the deal then it does seem odd to have sold him before him even playing for us despite impressing on loan this season.

 

However, should he be sent on loan as part of the deal as some reports are suggesting then it seems a good bit of business.

 

Marin doesn't look like he is going to have a future at the club and at this stage I imagine he will be sold in the summer which leaves our attacking midfield/wingers for next season as:

 

Mata

Hazard

Oscar

Moses

Schurrle

 

We also don't know if the intention is to play Schurrle on the wing or up front yet, if it's midfield it could mean Oscar rotates with Mata in the middle or even drops deeper to replace Lampard's role in the squad when he leaves at the end of the season.

 

I'm obviously speculating at the moment but me personally I'm not against the signing of Schurrle as I think it will add better competition for next season and could mean we don't have to invest fifty odd million in a new forward if Lukaku also returns to the club next season which could mean are forward options are:

 

Torres

Ba

Lukaku

Schurrle

 

Which again I think offers lots of competition but also allows more flexibility in changing formations. 

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My view is that regular changes in management won't have such a detrimental effect on our performances if other people operating behind the scenes have sound knowledge of the game. Unfortunately for us, I don't thing that is the case wit Emenalo and Gourley etc. 

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What I found wrong was that the players wanted a bonus if they win the Europa League, find that frustrating that they get a bonus for winning Europe's second tier competition 

Im really looking for the relevance in this reply to Daveys question, please someone point it out to me coz im feeling brain redundant at the minute.

Or are the new forum rules : Have something to say? Post it anywhere.

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Im really looking for the relevance in this reply to Daveys question, please someone point it out to me coz im feeling brain redundant at the minute.

Or are the new forum rules : Have something to say? Post it anywhere.

Considering the thread title is 'Everything that is wrong with Chelsea' I thought it was the best place for it.

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Posted this in the Jose thread, think it's relevant to this discussion about Sporting Directors/Directors of Football

 

 


There's a lot of talk about Emenalo here, and generally a lot of negativity about him on the forums. Why do people dislike the Director of Football model so much?

I suppose it's because we like the idea of having a manager in for the long term and moulding the team in his image - prime example of this is rednose. Directors of Football are seen to get in the way and meddle here.

 

What I think people fail to take account of, however, is that rednose is the exception rather than the rule. How often do you get managers who stick around for that long, and how often do we at Chelsea let them have more than a few months to impose themselves? What if we let every manager take the team in his direction and then let the next one do what they wanted to?

 

See what's happened at Villa - a few seasons ago they were challenging for CL, let the managers have autonomy, have changed them a few times and are now scrapping for survival.

 

Now compare to Swansea, who have rapidly risen through the league system over the past decade with various managers, and have had continuity in their playing style and transfers with Huw Jenkins playing the Director of Football role.

 

As for Emenalo himself - since he's been here our signings have been great and all seemingly fit into one "plan" - Courtois, Lukaku, De Bruyne, Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Piazon, Romeu. It's also not like the manager's input is completely ignored - Cahill was clearly the doing of AVB, Meireles was brought in with his input too and he was seemingly involved in the signings of Mata and Romeu too. Similarly, Oscar has spoken about being contacted by RDM. As such, it sounds like Emenalo's role is a collaborative one where the manager is very much consulted and involved in the process - yes, some signings are made without the manager's input (notably KDB) but they've been young players with great potential so I'm not against it.

 

The big, big, big, big, BIG mistake was sacking RDM and appointing Benitez. Not sure how much input he had into the sacking of RDM, but FSW was appointed on Emenalo's recommendation, supposedly, and he needs to learn from this ridiculous fiasco. Huge mistake that it is, I'm willing to forgive him as he's been pretty good otherwise, imo.

 

 

Anyway, back to Jose - if he were to be brought in as manager, he'd have to agree with the direction the club wants to move in - regardless of director of football. Therefore, the signings they make collaboratively will be ones moving in that direction. Any signings made without Jose's consent will be youngsters for the future, so the Shevchenko fiasco won't be repeated.

 

Also bear in mind that he is currently working with Zidane as sporting director at Madrid, he would have to work under Leonardo (who is quite vocal) at PSG and Txiki at City. I can't see Emenalo being that huge an issue for him, tbh.

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