You are wrong.

What a prick he was

He has been fantastic the last few months for Chelsea. He is the only player out there who can come away with any kind of merit. The work rate and performances have been top notch. He has, at times, single-handedly kept Chelsea in games.

 

I wonder which team will come sniffing for him in January. If we don't make the CL next season then it might be worth selling him off to ensure a good stream of money coming into the club.

Jesus Christ ^

He has been fantastic the last few months for Chelsea. He is the only player out there who can come away with any kind of merit. The work rate and performances have been top notch. He has, at times, single-handedly kept Chelsea in games.

 

I wonder which team will come sniffing for him in January. If we don't make the CL next season then it might be worth selling him off to ensure a good stream of money coming into the club.

 

I know our club is trying to abide by FFP rules, but do we really need to do it to that extent?

He is playing very well at the moment but I don't see it as a huge improvement over they way he's been playing since he joined us. He has consistently been one of our best performers, it's just the sudden burst of goals and assists has brought the spotlight on him.

 

You could argue that the goals and assists are evidence of "improvement" but that's a flawed argument IMO.

He has been fantastic the last few months for Chelsea. He is the only player out there who can come away with any kind of merit. The work rate and performances have been top notch. He has, at times, single-handedly kept Chelsea in games.

I wonder which team will come sniffing for him in January. If we don't make the CL next season then it might be worth selling him off to ensure a good stream of money coming into the club.

So getting some money is more important than keeping our best (at the moment) player? Yeah right. You do talk tosh and I think you do it deliberately to get a response.

So getting some money is more important than keeping our best (at the moment) player? Yeah right. You do talk tosh and I think you do it deliberately to get a response.

 

So you think us making yet another loss, not conforming to FFP, potentially having penalties imposed because of it and not being able to generate enough money to compensate for the loss of CL football isn't worth selling off one of our best assets?

 

I'm glad you're not running the club.

Man city have proved ffp is dead and buried

Edited November 6, 201510 yr by Beerqueen

Also how have we made a loss? we have over the past 2 seasons had a net spend of around £15m not including some loan fees and player sell on clauses potentially a huge one could have come from the de bruyne sale.

Also we probably have a lot of lee way with our expenditure and could have spent a lot more on players due to the high amount of TV money and CL money along with a decent wage structure at the club. we as a club have been making profits not losses over the last couple of seasons.   

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2015/5/7/8543947/chelsea-can-afford-to-spend-130-million-this-summer-transfer-market

Edited November 6, 201510 yr by PedroMendez

Man city have proved ffp is dead and buried

 

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/16/manchester-city-fine-transfer-cap-uefa-ffp

 

Granted this was a while ago, but it does show that FFP can affect a club that makes a substantial loss which Chelsea will definitely do without CL football.

 

The fact that City have spent so much more this year is because they've got their accounts in order and they have a suspicious sponsorship deal from Etihad which just happens to be partly owned by Sheikh Mansour.

So you think us making yet another loss, not conforming to FFP, potentially having penalties imposed because of it and not being able to generate enough money to compensate for the loss of CL football isn't worth selling off one of our best assets?

I'm glad you're not running the club.

True. However, if I remember rightly from the reports I've read Chelsea are in a superb position with FFP and can easily invest another £150m in the squad without incurring penalties. Especially when the new TV deal comes in next season.

Despite this, I would also argue that selling your best asset at a time of difficulty when the possibility of relegation has been discussed, restricting our finances even further, is a completely ludicrous decision.

Edited November 6, 201510 yr by Huttsey

True. However, if I remember rightly from the reports I've read Chelsea are in a superb position with FFP and can easily invest another £150m in the squad without incurring penalties. Especially when the new TV deal comes in next season.

Despite this, I would also argue that selling your best asset at a time of difficulty when the possibility of relegation has been discussed, restricting our finances even further, is a completely ludicrous decision.

 

That money is surely going to be set aside for the future Stamford Bridge expansion. Stadium improvements are not contributory to FFP allowances, but Roman certainly won't want to continually invest in the squad whilst also forking out for the new stadium.

 

I don't think the decision is ludicrous. Many clubs sell their best player when things get difficult. I don't want to lose Willian, especially with the form he is in right now, but if someone came in with a really good offer and you knew that the club were going to struggle next season without the CL income, then it's a logical thing to consider seriously.

Also not getting Champion league football only loses you around £30m a season, so I don't think we would need to do any financial restructuring. It would just be if players wanted to leave due to lack of CL football that there would be an issue.

Edited November 6, 201510 yr by PedroMendez

Also not getting Champion league football only loses you around £30m a season, so I don't think we would need to do any financial restructuring. It would just be if players wanted to leave due to lack of CL football that there would be an issue.

 

Assuming that you don't progress through the competition.

 

Winning group games, progression and everything that comes with it increases the CL income significantly. 

I'd also like to add that if we sell our best performing player for the sake of money, then how would the remaining players feel?

 

This shows a lack of ambition by the club and I'm sure they'd be discouraged by that.

If you win the CL you receive a total of £38m pounds  Getting to the QF is around £22m which is a pretty good CL campaign by all accounts and around average for Chelsea.
The drop in BPL money has to be considered as you will be finishing lower in the table its a difference of £20m from 1st to 17th but lets say we come 6th that's a £4m difference from 4th and a £6m difference form 1st.
So the total is still less than £30m.
Then I suppose you consider that there might be a lack of televised games for the BPL although in all likelihood there will be more, as Chelsea doing badly is a story the media loves and laps up (for reference when we won last year Man U and Man City had a higher Tv revenue and we were on par with Arsenal and Liverpool, Man U being highest arguable because they were struggling a little), so I'm going to assume that's negligible
So then there is the reduction of sales in merchandising as being part of the CL gives us a much larger global brand and audience, I can't estimate this though. 

So I think £30m was a good guess to the amount we'd lose being without the CL for a season. 

Using last season BPL prize money and this years CL prize money breakdown.

Edited November 6, 201510 yr by PedroMendez

I'd also like to add that if we sell our best performing player for the sake of money, then how would the remaining players feel?

 

This shows a lack of ambition by the club and I'm sure they'd be discouraged by that.

It would also discourage a lot of fans and give us a worse chance of bouncing back to qualify the season after, causing a lot more further loses and a downward spiral for the club which is much more than just a splish splosh in the financial ocean.

Edited November 6, 201510 yr by PedroMendez

If you win the CL you receive a total of £38m pounds  Getting to the QF is around £22m which is a pretty good CL campaign by all accounts and around average for Chelsea.

The drop in BPL money has to be considered as you will be finishing lower in the table its a difference of £20m from 1st to 17th but lets say we come 6th that's a £4m difference from 4th and a £6m difference form 1st.

So the total is still less than £30m.

Then I suppose you consider that there might be a lack of televised games for the BPL although in all likelihood there will be more, as Chelsea doing badly is a story the media loves and laps up (for reference when we won last year Man U and Man City had a higher Tv revenue and we were on par with Arsenal and Liverpool, Man U being highest arguable because they were struggling a little), so I'm going to assume that's negligible

So then there is the reduction of sales in merchandising as being part of the CL gives us a much larger global brand and audience, I can't estimate this though. 

So I think £30m was a good guess to the amount we'd lose being without the CL for a season. 

Using last season BPL prize money and this years CL prize money breakdown.

 

But that's purely the income you receive directly from UEFA and you have it completely wrong. Potential money from winning the CL is worth ~€54 million assuming that all group games are won. That's money from UEFA alone. After Chelsea's victory in 2012, many speculated that the ultimate amount of money coming in topped £100 million.

 

You haven't factored in the money that clubs make from everything else associated with the CL.

 

The point remains the same. Missing out on CL football can be disastrous for a club like Chelsea. Selling off assets is a realistic solution should it come down to it.

I'd also like to add that if we sell our best performing player for the sake of money, then how would the remaining players feel?

 

This shows a lack of ambition by the club and I'm sure they'd be discouraged by that.

 

I'm talking pure money. Of course the fans, the players and even the owner wouldn't be pleased by it, but it's a business these days, isn't it?

The point remains the same. Missing out on CL football can be disastrous for a club like Chelsea. Selling off assets is a realistic solution should it come down to it.

 

Disastrous is an overstatement. 

 

Manchester United for example failed to qualify recently and they've recovered just fine. 

 

It would a huge loss for Chelsea not to play in the Champions League, no question but we could more than sustain ourselves without it. 

Manchester United also spent £140 million that season even though they missed out. Why? Because they can afford to.

 

Chelsea can't.

Manchester United also spent £140 million that season even though they missed out. Why? Because they can afford to.

 

Chelsea can't.

 

Not to the same extremes but financially with 2nd highest kit manufacturing and shirt sponsorship deals in the league are income is pretty solid. 

 

Enough so that were we to miss out on Europe it wouldn't require us to change our wage structure, transfer budget etc. 

But that's purely the income you receive directly from UEFA and you have it completely wrong. Potential money from winning the CL is worth ~€54 million assuming that all group games are won. That's money from UEFA alone. After Chelsea's victory in 2012, many speculated that the ultimate amount of money coming in topped £100 million.

 

You haven't factored in the money that clubs make from everything else associated with the CL.

 

The point remains the same. Missing out on CL football can be disastrous for a club like Chelsea. Selling off assets is a realistic solution should it come down to it.

Fair enough I missed the market pool but that still only gets up to around £50m, Barce recieved £42m last year, where does the rest come from?

'Chelsea took home £48m from Uefa when they won in 2012.'

When Man U missed out "That means the only real loss they will feel comes from Champions League TV revenue, prize money and perhaps the lost gate receipts from home matches they might have staged. Some of that may be mitigated by Europa League qualification and, possibly, built-in savings in player contracts. All that adds up to around £40-50m - only about 10% of their expected total revenue."

So baring that in mind we will be absolutely fine with FFP, as we had a cap of around a loss of £22m before the increase in sponsorship revenue, and in 2013-2014 we made a £14m profit so I am assuming in the season we won the league and had a pretty decent net spend along with getting players like Torres off the books we also made a profit.

Edited November 6, 201510 yr by PedroMendez

 

Not to the same extremes but financially with 2nd highest kit manufacturing and shirt sponsorship deals in the league are income is pretty solid. 

 

Enough so that were we to miss out on Europe it wouldn't require us to change our wage structure, transfer budget etc. 

 

It forces the club into contingency planning. Knowing that the CL income is there allows you to place a buffer on your spending and have some in reserve.

 

Missing it won't destroy the club overnight, but it restricts squad improvements, new contract deals etc

 

It can have long lasting repercussions that don't impact straightaway. Generating income through a player sale builds a layer of safety.

Edited November 6, 201510 yr by splishsplosh