Courtois certainly can and hopefully will improve as time goes on. Cech was and is a great keeper but he also had one of the best defences ever in front of him at Chelsea.

 

That is well said sir. Cech was always playing behind a Chelsea back line that was a dominant defensive force and he also had a great understanding with the backline which did not come overnight. Also, if you were to compare the player statistics of Peter Cech and Thibaut Courtois this season via squaka you will notice this:

 

Player..........Year..........Avg Goals Conceded

Courtois      2015/16      1.17

Courtois      2014/15      0.94

 

Cech           2015/16      1.00

Cech           2013/2014  0.71

 

As you guys can see, Even the great Peter Cech's numbers has regressed behind the fragile Arsenal backline, But it was a great with us. And Courois behind our good defense last year was acceptable but behind our weakened backline has also regressed.

 

IMO, yesterday's poor clearance that led to a goal was very unfortunate but those sort of things can happen in any football game. To say that we were foolish to make Courtois our #1 is a harsh - Wasn't he good for us last year? I think once we improve our defense the overall show from Courtois will be better.

I think you're really being rather harsh on him. No he doesn't do it every game because if he did, he would've been dropped. I don't think any keeper who makes the same mistakes every game is going to keep getting selected. This was a guy who when he first came to the club, people were lauding as the second coming of Pat Jennings because of his ability to come and claim the ball. I think the cross from Shaqiri is underrated. It's pacy but it's got a whip on it that takes it slightly away from Courtois as he comes for it which maybe explains why he missed his punch, but this is a learning experience.

 

He doesn't have the great protection that Cech had here for his first few seasons but he does have time on his side and he's already well on his way to being a great player. We're not a very good team at the moment and we need to build around the likes of Courtois going forward, not drop them in a tough, brief moment.

 

But he does do it pretty much every game. Watch the next game that he is forced to make saves, you can almost guarantee he will push the ball back into the danger zone.

Tibo is up there with De Gea as the best shot stopper in football.

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Lol Tibo is nowhere near De Gea.

I think you're really being rather harsh on him. No he doesn't do it every game because if he did, he would've been dropped. I don't think any keeper who makes the same mistakes every game is going to keep getting selected.

I don't think he would be dropped because he only agreed to be here if Cech were dropped. Dropping him now, even if he deserved it, would probably lead to a major toddler tantrum and some legal action from Daddy Courtois. His attitude and sense of entitlement at the time was off-putting.

I'd like to see Begovic get some games after PSG and Everton. Courtois could do with some competition.

Edited March 6, 201610 yr by offside

People say we can't drop him - that's is worst thing for a player. He feels too comfortable without any competition ready to replace him if he mess up too many times.

To be honest I didn't like his set of mind since the beginning. He didn't want to compete with Cech for the spot on the team. He said if he's not #1 choice he will leave... That's a sh*tty attitude!

People say we can't drop him - that's is worst thing for a player. He feels too comfortable without any competition ready to replace him if he mess up too many times.

 

Defences thrive on stability. Right now, Thibaut is all the stability we have when our first-choice centrebacks are out injured, the right-back is playing centreback, the left-back is now at right-back and the new left-back is either a young lad struggling for form or a winger converted to full-back. That's before we even get to the huge problems we have in midfield.

 

In these circumstances should we not give the guy who was seen as one of the three best goalkeepers in the world only a few months ago a bit of a break?

In these circumstances should we not give the guy who was seen as one of the three best goalkeepers in the world only a few months ago a bit of a break?

Yes he needs a little bit of a break, literally.

I don't think he was that good last season. I always felt more comfortable watching Cech as Chelsea goalkeeper but that comes with many years of experience.

That's why I think we should keep Cech and leave Tebo at Atletico for a couple more seasons because he didn't want to compete with Cech.

Edited March 6, 201610 yr by Michael440

Yes he needs a little bit of a break, literally.

I don't think he was that good last season. I always felt more comfortable watching Cech as Chelsea goalkeeper but that comes with many years of experience.

That's why I think we should keep Cech and leave Tebo at Atletico for a couple of more seasons because he didn't want to compete with Cech.

 

If we're going to drop every player who has made an error in the last few games then we're going to have a full youth team out with maybe Fabregas and Costa in there. Just seems a bit selective to ignore the world-class save he made and focus on the underhit punch to the man no-one bothered to mark.

Very poor parry for the goal, he's just not keen to catch high balls at moment. Having said that, without him we would have conceded a goal or 2 before the incident. It was a poor goal to conceded, from Willian losing the ball, to defenders not rushing back, to the poor effort from Tibo.

 

Ideally we should have kept Cech, but he wanted out desperately, we didn't push him out. Let it rest for god sake.

If we're going to drop every player who has made an error in the last few games then we're going to have a full youth team out with maybe Fabregas and Costa in there. Just seems a bit selective to ignore the world-class save he made and focus on the underhit punch to the man no-one bothered to mark.

Courtois has been inconsistent since he came back from Altetico. I'm predicting there will be a major clean up when Conte takes over. I think Hazard, Matic, Oscar will be out too. in my opinion curent team won't be able to challenge Pep's City and Jose's United next season. That's why we need to sell to buy new players.

Courtois is very much so replaceable. People are treating him like he's the best goalkeeper in the world.... He's not, not even close. Too Cech is at Arsenal. He would be continuing doing great job at Chelsea for next 2-3 seasons.

I think he's missing jt in defence marshalling, talking, controlling. Our other centre backs aren't leaders by voice, and courtois is quiet so we have no one cajoling, organising etc.

Lol Tibo is nowhere near De Gea.

Lol Dea Gea was nowhere near Tibo's two seasons so far in England.

Cech could make mistakes too. In fact he made a big one in the 3-2 defeat at Stoke a couple of seasons back. 

 

Courtois is still a good keeper and made a fantastic save from Shaqiri yesterday when we were 1-0 up. To focus solely on that error when the goal was the result of so many factors is a tad unfair, especially when Courtois has the potential to be truly world-class.

People forget towards the end of his Chelsea career Cech was making mistakes and he has made some this season with Arsenal. For Arsenal Cech is worth another 10 points over a season compared to Ospina and Co. Courtois is one the best all round keepers about. Was a great signing and will only get better. De Gea is a great shot stopper but not better all round like Courtois.

People say we can't drop him - that's is worst thing for a player. He feels too comfortable without any competition ready to replace him if he mess up too many times.

To be honest I didn't like his set of mind since the beginning. He didn't want to compete with Cech for the spot on the team. He said if he's not #1 choice he will leave... That's a sh*tty attitude!

But José like that attitude because he loves playing the same team over and over again. So it was appropriate to sell Cech.

I think he's missing jt in defence marshalling, talking, controlling. Our other centre backs aren't leaders by voice, and courtois is quiet so we have no one cajoling, organising etc.

De gea has a very poor defence at Manchester united yet he is making top saves!

Edited March 7, 201610 yr by wallosh

Lol Dea Gea was nowhere near Tibo's two seasons so far in England.

You mean Tibo is better?

People forget towards the end of his Chelsea career Cech was making mistakes and he has made some this season with Arsenal. For Arsenal Cech is worth another 10 points over a season compared to Ospina and Co. Courtois is one the best all round keepers about. Was a great signing and will only get better. De Gea is a great shot stopper but not better all round like Courtois.

 

That's always been my thinking on the subject too. He's still a young player in one of the toughest periods of his career so he may make a few errors, but so will every youngster. That's the defining characteristic of young players and if people can't accept it when a truly top-class player like Thibaut is going through one then maybe the club is doing the right thing and not promoting more youngsters.

You mean Tibo is better?

In my opinion, Tibo is better, A more complete GK. De Gea struggled more than Tibo is presently in his first two seasons. Also he wasn't sidelined for long as Tibo was in the early part of the campaign.

I'd say De Gea is currently the better of the 2. In fact I;d personally have Cech ahead of Courtois right now. He has great potential, but no guarantee he will continue to improve, he may plateau like Oscar.

De gea has a very poor defence at Manchester united yet he is making top saves!

That's the thing, the very top goalkeepers might need to only make one save and that could win there team the game. Like Cech, Van Der Sar, Seaman and Schmeichel all at there peak.

Don't me get wrong De Gea is the best shot stopper about but is not a complete keeper. What I loved about Cech was the way he bossed his area and his all round goalkeeping. There's plenty of good shot stoppers around Adrian, Fabianski and Ospina for examples.

For me Courtois is the best all rounder in the league at present and will only improve.

When we compare De Gea to Courtois, is it appropriate to remember that one is 23 and the other is 25?

 

One has five seasons in England, one has two?

 

One has made 202 appearances in English football, one has made 57?

 

Yet the younger has probably been far more successful at least in terms of medals?

In my opinion, Tibo is better, A more complete GK. De Gea struggled more than Tibo is presently in his first two seasons. Also he wasn't sidelined for long as Tibo was in the early part of the campaign.

I agree, problem is it's the great saves that make the highlights package but other things can be just as important like catching from set pieces and not being bullied to take the pressure of your defence.

I watched some of yesterday's match between the Liversc*m and Manchester Utd and De Gea did some saves that I'd like to see in Tibo soon. In particular, there was a great defence in a similar play to PSG's second goal, where Coutinho was passed the ball to the far post, De Gea and the defenders were already beaten but he still managed to pick up himself and clear the ball that was going inside. Coutinho could have done it better but, really, De Gea's intervention was that of a great keeper. He also had some other saves that I didn't see in Courtois on Wednesday, and haven't seen in a while. Liversc*m could have easily won by four or five if it wasn't for De Gea. I think Courtois was a great goal keeper, one of the best, but after he's come back from injury I don't see it anymore. I hope the new manager brings the world class keeper back. Otherwise, Begovic was at a good level and I am not sure if Thibaut is at the moment a much better keeper.

Comparing Tibo with De gea is ludicrous.

Teebo is very good but we need to be patient.he is not in the class of ddg yet either