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Well it's a bad exiT, we didnt lose but it's a poor result

So start with PSG, they were excellent, the whole team perforMed, maybe the keeper looked shaky, but there tactics looked spoT on, tackle fast or foul, move it quickly forward,, plenty width and long diagonals. But the goals were set pieces so that's our setup, has to be. Very few goals from corners in PL so credit to them, not a big team but movement and commitment excellent tibf.

Next, Jose - well he spent lots of the match shouting at the players which says they weren't, delivering, or tHey were confused or both. First 5 mins we really pressed then we set back and for long periods let them play. We didn't use the width, we didn't get crosses in cos not enough in the box, and most of all we didn't shoot when on the edge. That was players decisions not Jose and they got it wrong. However Drogs came on and looked tbh a bit past it, sorry but that's what I saw. So the subs didn't change it, and the tactics didn't work so nose takes some of the blame

The players, well no one performed to their potential and we didn't look sharp at any point. Costa worked hard but his runs were predictable and took him away from the box. Eden always too deep and blocked off so rarely threatened. Oscar very disappointing Tbh, and Rambo and cesc and William - not sure why we can't shoot? Especially as their keeper looked dodgy all Night. Maybe the break at the weekend didn't help? As we looked under par. Couple highlights were JT and zooms who both scrapped properly.

So,I'm my bow, PSG take 40% reason, credit to them, Jose gets 25% and the players 35%.

Very very disappointing but suppose we move on, lessons learned!

cOYB

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PSG: 30%

Jose: 50%

Players: 20%

 

 

Jose just got it wrong. He still tries to play as if he's got the Chelsea 2004/2005 team. Our current squad is not made to grind out a result and hang on to 1-0 leads.

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Manager, as I've said many times in the past 24 hours, when he gets it wrong, which doesn't happen often, it goes very very badly, and that was the case last night. The way he set us up in that second half made PSG look a great side

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Manager. He ballsed up completely. We just sat back, and I don't recall us having one clear-cut chance. 

 

Its also hard to blame the players when they looked knackered. This is why we needed rotation early on in the season. Ivanovic looks dead on his legs, Fabregas and Costa look finished.

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I saw a Chelsea team do exactly what they've been doing for half the season so far. Get into a good position then completely stop playing, the only difference was that this time we got punished whereas in the league we've got away with it most of the time.

That said I think it can only be the waay Jose drills them that causes that, we need to start pushing on from winning positions instead of looking terrified that if we play any more football we're going to surrender the league.

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I'm really not sure, the players seemed effortless but at the same time I can't help but feel it was because of Joses game plan, it looked clear as day after the sending off we approached the game for a 0-0.

 

It seemed one of Jose's tactics and unfortunately it's not pretty to watch, even when we win. What troubled me was is that we couldn't turn it around at all on the night, PSG were really having there way with us, fair enough they had nothing to lose, but it was embarrassing, I still can't get the game out of my head now. Had trouble sleeping that night.

 

But we should stop talking about the game, the Southampton game can't come quick enough and we need 3 points to take our mind off it, probably a decent performance this time also but the points are a priority.

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PSG were exceptional and Blanc adapted brilliantly to the sending-off. He completely did Jose which isn't something you see often so they deserve a tremendous amount of credit, as do their supporters. I've honestly never seen a team celebrate a corner as much as they did to the point where I had to do a double-take to see if the ball had actually gone in when I was certain it had gone behind off of one of our's.

 

Jose deserves a lot of the blame. We all said that the sh*t performance in Paris was fine because it set us up well for the return leg (very much like Liverpool in the COC) but when you follow it up with that then I think the fans have a right to feel aggrieved. You're talking about £300-400 at least to see sh*t served up in two legs. Not good enough.

 

He got the tactics wrong, he got his subs wrong but he probably got the psychology right in the lead up to the game which may have been key to Zlatan's sending off. But everything else was just poor in my opinion and it's not just that two-week period that is suspect, but some other longer-term stuff. How can you spend £50 million+ on right-wing talent and not have any threat from the right beyond a 31 year-old right back? How is it 18 months into his tenure our back-up midfielders are still Mikel and Ramires and why do you bring on a 37 year old Drogba?

 

But hopefully just an off-day.

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It was everything. 

 

PSG, despite going down to 10 men put in a brilliant performance, the sort of performance we've seen Chelsea display many times in all our years in the Champions League. 

 

It had echos of our 2012 game at the Nou Camp. 

 

All the odd against them and yet they still triumphed. Veratti and Matuidi absolutely bossed the middle of park, it was a great midfield performance from PSG. 

 

Our players meanwhile showed a lack of drive and urgency.

 

Once PSG went down to 10 we should have turned the screw on them, we a man to spare, so commit that extra man forward, force them back towards their own. 

 

If you've got the extra man, that's when you want the likes of Hazard, Oscar, Willian and Costa to be running at their man and trying to beat him because if they get past him not only do you take that defender out of the game, they don't have the numbers to cover. Instead it was lackluster, too many sideways passes in the final third, no one running in behind the defense as an outlet it was too stale and too predictable. 

 

And Jose has to take some blame too. I said after the first leg I thought we was too cautious, yes going into the 2nd leg with a score draw is a decent result but like against Atletico Madrid last year the lack of ambition in the first leg came back to bite us on the arse big time. We've got millions of pounds worth of attacking talent but keep them on the leash too often. 

 

The starting line up against PSG meant we had £60m worth of wingers sitting on the bench and instead started Ramires. Would Real Madrid drop any of their attacking players for a more defense minded player? Would Bayern Munich? Would Barca? Did PSG? No. The clubs have faith in their attacking talent that they can harm the opposition, not try to stifle them... That's something we need to do as a team. 

 

Have faith in the likes of Hazard, Costa, Fabregas and Oscar that they can play their natural game and get us results... Don't keep sinking deep and hoping a counter attacking chance might present itself, take the game to the opposition, take control, get in front and then defend a 2 goal plus lead. We've sold the likes of Mata, Schurrle and De Bruryne who are without question all extremely competent attacking players and that's what we could have done with on Wednesday night, sometimes you like to see your attackers do just that, attack... too much worrying about whether their going to track the full backs for my liking.

 

As I said in another thread though, Jose is on a learning curve as much as anyone right now, it's maybe the youngest group of players he has ever worked with. We just need to get back to playing how we did in the first half of the season.  

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It was everything. 

 

PSG, despite going down to 10 men put in a brilliant performance, the sort of performance we've seen Chelsea display many times in all our years in the Champions League. 

 

It had echos of our 2012 game at the Nou Camp. 

 

All the odd against them and yet they still triumphed. Veratti and Matuidi absolutely bossed the middle of park, it was a great midfield performance from PSG. 

 

Our players meanwhile showed a lack of drive and urgency.

 

Once PSG went down to 10 we should have turned the screw on them, we a man to spare, so commit that extra man forward, force them back towards their own. 

 

If you've got the extra man, that's when you want the likes of Hazard, Oscar, Willian and Costa to be running at their man and trying to beat him because if they get past him not only do you take that defender out of the game, they don't have the numbers to cover. Instead it was lackluster, too many sideways passes in the final third, no one running in behind the defense as an outlet it was too stale and too predictable. 

 

And Jose has to take some blame too. I said after the first leg I thought we was too cautious, yes going into the 2nd leg with a score draw is a decent result but like against Atletico Madrid last year the lack of ambition in the first leg came back to bite us on the arse big time. We've got millions of pounds worth of attacking talent but keep them on the leash too often. 

 

The starting line up against PSG meant we had £60m worth of wingers sitting on the bench and instead started Ramires. Would Real Madrid drop any of their attacking players for a more defense minded player? Would Bayern Munich? Would Barca? Did PSG? No. The clubs have faith in their attacking talent that they can harm the opposition, not try to stifle them... That's something we need to do as a team. 

 

Have faith in the likes of Hazard, Costa, Fabregas and Oscar that they can play their natural game and get us results... Don't keep sinking deep and hoping a counter attacking chance might present itself, take the game to the opposition, take control, get in front and then defend a 2 goal plus lead. We've sold the likes of Mata, Schurrle and De Bruryne who are without question all extremely competent attacking players and that's what we could have done with on Wednesday night, sometimes you like to see your attackers do just that, attack... too much worrying about whether their going to track the full backs for my liking.

 

As I said in another thread though, Jose is on a learning curve as much as anyone right now, it's maybe the youngest group of players he has ever worked with. We just need to get back to playing how we did in the first half of the season.  

Unfortunately I don't think it was anything like that game, our backs were very much against the wall in the Nou Camp. PSG were pretty dominant.

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As I said in another thread though, Jose is on a learning curve as much as anyone right now, it's maybe the youngest group of players he has ever worked with. We just need to get back to playing how we did in the first half of the season.  

 

Hardly that young with Ivanovic, Cahill, JT, Fabregas, Ramires, Willian, Luis, Drogba, Costa, Cuadrado and Remy in the squad.

 

Fair enough we brought on Zouma, but Matic, Hazard, Courtois and even Oscar whilst young are also quite experienced.

 

Let's not forget that PSG had Marquinhos (20), Verratti (22), Digne (21) and Bahebeck (21) and actually brought on a 19 year old (Rabiot) so it's hardly as if they were that much more experienced than us.

 

I personally think this match was the culmination of everything wrong in the last 3 months brought into sharp focus. Every one of Jose's flaws in the transfer market, in player management (11 players have played more than 1500 minutes in the league - Filipe Luis is next on the list with 745) and in terms of tactics was exposed.

 

This wasn't a sudden defeat. This was always coming.

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Unfortunately I don't think it was anything like that game, our backs were very much against the wall in the Nou Camp. PSG were pretty dominant.

 

I mean that we were Barca and PSG were Chelsea. 

 

They were against all the odds, man down, goal down.. Overcame it all and still triumphed. 

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I think FC (above) has covered the main points. Another analysis which is on the money is provided at Zonal Marking. Further & in support of those I feel that some of have lost sight of the fact that PSG played exceptionally well. They really controlled the game & the midfield. Their equalizer in the 2nd half had been coming for awhile so there was no surprise there & ultimately we were beaten by 2 great headers & disorganised defence on set pieces. Yes, our attack looked mostly anemic - it has since Swansea really. I had major reservations when Jose started Ramires instead of Willan but I understood why he did it in order to nullify Maxwell but the reality is that that is all that came of that election. Once again, and with superior numbers we were unable to really threaten them at all. Some will labour on about tiredness & lack of rotation etc. & possibly that is a factor but at I feel that our positioning when attacking & the indecisiveness when in attack was very disappointing. And I feel that all our attackers in that regard were responsible - even Hazard at times. I also think that in the back of our minds as we watched this rather painful game was that questions arose as to whether certain combinations in attack will be good enough to deliver us the title. I have to say that I'm still as worried as I write this as I was when I was watching this game. Poor Jose - what a mind-f**k. It's times & games like these that you miss the likes of Ballack & Frank because I have to say that the brazilians in our team look pretty ineffectual the longer the season goes on. Anyway just my thoughts.

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The players looked knackered, completely out on their feet in the second half. It wouldn't surprise me if some were not fully match fit. We do it every season, we don't start with a big enough squad and instead run a core of about 16 players into the ground, then wonder why they're spent come March. You'd think we would have learned our lesson by now.  The only upside of going out of the CL relatively early is it should improve our chances in the league.

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I couldnt say I would blame Jose for the lack of effort and lethargicness. You could clearly see him tell Zouma to press the ball before he came on , which no one else was doing. As a player you have to shoulder the responsibility and say we simply weren't good enough. No matter how much the manager says you can still judge a game on the field and adapt to the situation, otherwise just get 11 robots who do exactly as they are told.

To me it was quite clear after the sending off the players were not pressing the ball, which gave Verratti, Motta, etc bags of time to control the game.

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I blame Kenyon.

He's another 20%.

Plus the non-pen was another 20%.

And the  non-red for Luiz's elbow was probably about 40%.

Our defending at corners - 99%.

I make that around 200% from a variety of factors.

Plus we played sh*t in both legs. That must have contributed a few extra percent to the total, too.

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