I think that's a bit rose tinted glasses mate, I can remember being frustrated by mata's corners pretty often too.

 

I dunno, I've always thought Mata's corners and free kicks were top class. Fabregas' are good of course but I always felt something would happen with a Mata inswinging free kick. (Like the one at Spurs away last season).

I think that's a bit rose tinted glasses mate, I can remember being frustrated by mata's corners pretty often too.

 

I think Mata's the best we've had since Zola, in terms of set-pieces.

 

Way ahead of Fabregas for me.

Juan was very good for us and am sure will be for United at them.

 

Come on though, best we have had since Zola? 

 

Frank Lampard, thank you very much.

The other day I was wondering, why the hell isn't our shortest player and the one who just so happens to have the best foot on our team, isn't taking the corners.  It's not like he is going to score in the air.

Regardless of the stats the set pieces taking is poor. We are very poor at all forms of set pieces.

 

We have lost all oue set piece experts over the last one year - Mata, Lampard, Luiz, Cole and even De Bruyne and Schurrle. I even started a thread about this at the begining of the season, was sh*t scared of the day when we went to a shootout, luckily it never happened.

 

Clearly something Jose needs to either work on with the team or bring someone in with these skills

The other day I was wondering, why the hell isn't our shortest player and the one who just so happens to have the best foot on our team, isn't taking the corners.  It's not like he is going to score in the air.

 

Exactly !!!!!!!

 

Hazard was great at set-pieces in France, yet he's barely been near one at Chelsea.

 

It makes no sense.

Every time I see Willian or Cuadrado go over to take a corner a piece of me dies.

Every time I see Willian or Cuadrado go over to take a corner a piece of me dies.

Everytime i see Willian on the pitch a part of me dies.  I like Mikel and Ramires better than Willian because at least we know what to expect.  With Willian, it can be s**t one day and great the next...but mostly he is s**t.

We let one of the best set piece takers go in de Bruyne !

It's always absolutes around here. Either its really good or really sh*t. I find our corners average. Not amazing, not absolute sh*t. Just average. And based on how we are near the top for goals from corners it can't be that bad.

 

Of the things we should be concerned about, attacking corners should be bang in the middle. I'd focus more on defending corners than attacking corners.

You will never get a player to put in perfect corners every time. I never understand why luis doesn't take set pieces though.

Let's talk about it folks.

It's been a bugbear all season.

It's the worst I've ever known.

We have nobody who can take a good set-piece, apart from on isolated occasions.

Fabregas is the best of a really bad bunch, but he's far from good, often hitting the first defender, or, in an attempt to compensate, lofting them too high up in the air, which is easy to defend against.

There's no whip or pace with him.

As for Oscar and Willian, atrocious, embarrassing.

The little we've seen of Cuadrado is even worse.

These are expensive, highly-paid professionals, with big reputations.

I'd give Hazard a go.

He can't be any worse.

With the likes of Costa, Drogba, Cahill, Terry, Zouma, Matic and Ivan in the box, it's a criminal waste of opportunities, and it's gone on too long.

Change something Jose ..

Please.

This is a massive over reactions DB... And I'll tell you why, are defence has over 19 goals this season.. That doesn't happen with poor set pieces Week in week out.. Also if you compare it to the last 3 years are much much better

How many hit the first man?

The other day I was wondering, why the hell isn't our shortest player and the one who just so happens to have the best foot on our team, isn't taking the corners.  It's not like he is going to score in the air.

 

Because he's usually hanging around on the back post or just outside the area waiting for any balls that come out to him.

 

Regardless of the stats the set pieces taking is poor. We are very poor at all forms of set pieces.

 

 

You'll see every team moan about set-pieces because you can easily get 8-10 corners a match but not score one because defending set-pieces is one of the things teams focus on.

 

But if you actually look at the stats, we're better at them than almost every team in the league and all but a few in Europe. That doesn't mean that they couldn't be better, but people need to be realistic and Stim is bang on the money when he talks about people talking in absolutes.

 

Like so many things (like media agendas for example) people will see what they want to see.

Edited March 24, 201511 yr by Blue Daze

It's not the amount we aint scoring that is the problem from what I have read.

It's the fact a large proportion of them don't make it past the first defender. Like everything else with us we were much more effective before Christmas with them.

Statistically Fabregas hits in more corners which meet their target than anyone else in the entire league.

Statistically Fabregas hits in more corners which meet their target than anyone else in the entire league.

 

Close thread?

Close thread?

 

Well in all fairness that stat is taken out of context - it doesn't account for how many corners we get per game in comparison to other teams, it also doesn't account for how many inaccurate corners he takes either. Obviously this is just Fabregas too; Oscar/Willian/Cuadrado's numbers aren't as good.

 

It also only accounts for corners which reach a player in a Chelsea shirt; the corner might not necessarily be a good one or lead to a goal or a header on goal, the player might win the header but be in no position to do anything with it or might stick it out of play or give it straight back to the opposition. Although one thing I suppose it does show is that Fabregas doesn't just fire corners straight into the first man and that our current corner situation might not be as tragic as it immediately seems or as our recent set piece form might suggest.

I'm not at all surprised to see that Fabregas is the best corner taker in the league statistically.

 

Our issue and the purpose behind this thread is that too often someone else is taking them and making a mess.

I'm not at all surprised to see that Fabregas is the best corner taker in the league statistically.

 

Our issue and the purpose behind this thread is that too often someone else is taking them and making a mess.

 

Interestingly Willian's ratio of accurate/inaccurate corners is actually better than Fabregas, although in terms of sample size, he's only taken 22 corners over the course over the season, whereas Fabregas has taken 122.

 

That said, apparently none of Willian's corners have led to a goal, whereas Fabregas gets an assist from a corner every five games. Apparently Oscar hasn't connected a single corner this season.

Well in all fairness that stat is taken out of context - it doesn't account for how many corners we get per game in comparison to other teams, it also doesn't account for how many inaccurate corners he takes either. Obviously this is just Fabregas too; Oscar/Willian/Cuadrado's numbers aren't as good.

 

It also only accounts for corners which reach a player in a Chelsea shirt; the corner might not necessarily be a good one or lead to a goal or a header on goal, the player might win the header but be in no position to do anything with it or might stick it out of play or give it straight back to the opposition. Although one thing I suppose it does show is that Fabregas doesn't just fire corners straight into the first man and that our current corner situation might not be as tragic as it immediately seems or as our recent set piece form might suggest.

 

I think the fact (that you pointed out) that we put in more accurate corners than most other teams combined with the fact (that Blue Daze pointed out) that we score more from corners than most other teams should be enough to conclude that our corner taking is not a huge cause for concern.

when the corner kick doesn't clear the 1st man I agree its an issue

 

but taking a look at the league in general I don't see that CFC is alone at this 

 

part of the prob is the grappling in the box - even if a good ball comes in there's so much chaos

that a random foul is given against the attackers, goalies are over protected, rarely do the attackers get a pen for blatant holding

pushing to the ground , refs never seem to be able to get a grip on it

 

so its all part of the referee conspiracy against Chelsea then, nowt to do with bad set piece taking !

Plokoon, I think we should see something interesting if we look at the same stats for the first and second parts of the season. I think corner related success of any kind has dropped off since January. Or at least in the last few matches. My memory is very short term!

Slightly related to corners: our FK taking has been pretty poor. We dont seem to have a designated FK taker. Oscar, Willian, Hazard and sometimes Fabregas take turns. Its one of those skills which a player can practice a lot on the training pitch. Don't know why it hasn't been worked out yet. It's pretty handy to have a player who can really whip the ball in or actually make the keeper work. 

Slightly related to corners: our FK taking has been pretty poor. We dont seem to have a designated FK taker. Oscar, Willian, Hazard and sometimes Fabregas take turns. Its one of those skills which a player can practice a lot on the training pitch. Don't know why it hasn't been worked out yet. It's pretty handy to have a player who can really whip the ball in or actually make the keeper work. 

 

I think Oscar has the best free kick out of the lot of them, scored a couple of really nice ones. 

 

I think we pass around the responsibility too much personally. 

 

Like you say one minutes Willian's lining it up, the next one Oscar has a try, then Fabregas tries one... Then Luis is standing over it. 

 

Just give it to one person, let them take them, try and find their range. 

 

You look at the likes of Zola, Lampard or Drogba, they used to take most of the kicks because they were good at it but it they missed they still took the next one because they could find their range. 

Slightly related to corners: our FK taking has been pretty poor. We dont seem to have a designated FK taker. Oscar, Willian, Hazard and sometimes Fabregas take turns. Its one of those skills which a player can practice a lot on the training pitch. Don't know why it hasn't been worked out yet. It's pretty handy to have a player who can really whip the ball in or actually make the keeper work. 

 

Unbelievably, statistically speaking Fabregas also hits in more free kicks which meet their target per game than anybody else in the league.