42 minutes ago, havelschayes said:

@Jon Stakes

How do you mention people with a space in their name?

1 hour ago, the special one said:

Mourinho post match...

Waffle waffle waffle we were in control, the referee is at fault for everything, EVERYTHING... waffle waffle waffle....

How many matches before he has "nothing to say"? 

3 hours ago, Nevamind said:

Hughes the first manager to be fired.

I was certain at the start of the season that it would be Pardew, but it looks like he's safe for now.

You are right about Hughes. Until today I thought that Hughes would be safe because he had done a decent job in the first few seasons, and Peter Coates isn't quick to sack.   

I don't think Pulis will go back to Stoke. Has any manager ever had three stints at a club?

Peter Coates sticks with managers from the UK, so my guess is Steve Bruce. I could also see Hiddink on an interim basis while they search for a UK long term manager. Stoke hire for the long term, so they don't want to make an impulsive decision. 

Hughes, Bilic, Pulis, and Guidolin won't survive October. Some of them won't survive September. And at least one of them will be re-employed by December. 

Van Gaal back by December? I can see West Ham going for him. 

Sacking Guildolin before the end of October might be risky because of the disruption. Have you seen Swansea's upcoming schedule?! 

Edited September 18, 20169 yr by offside

@Zeta Orionis

use the asperand + member name

47 minutes ago, offside said:

I was certain at the start of the season that it would be Pardew, but it looks like he's safe for now.

You are right about Hughes. Until today I thought that Hughes would be safe because he had done a decent job in the first few seasons, and Peter Coates isn't quick to sack.   

I don't think Pulis will go back to Stoke. Has any manager ever had three stints at a club?

Peter Coates sticks with managers from the UK, so my guess is Steve Bruce. I could also see Hiddink on an interim basis while they search for a UK long term manager. Stoke hire for the long term, so they don't want to make an impulsive decision. 

Hughes, Bilic, Pulis, and Guidolin won't survive October. Some of them won't survive September. And at least one of them will be re-employed by December. 

Van Gaal back by December? I can see West Ham going for him. 

Sacking Guildolin before the end of October might be risky because of the disruption. Have you seen Swansea's upcoming schedule?! 

Stoke is just in free fall now and with this squad it is pretty incredible. 

Also difficult fixtures for Guidolin, i don't think he can swing this around.

22 hours ago, carrickblue said:

the sale of Kevin de Bruyne is going to haunt us for years

It is sad to say but I think Chelsea would be in a better position today if Jose had never been reappointed.

9 minutes ago, kiwi1691 said:

It is sad to say but I think Chelsea would be in a better position today if Jose had never been reappointed.

Sadly, probably true. Was great in the short-term, winning another title. But we had a squad of exciting young players when he came in and he tore it apart and wasted so much money on dross, which we are still feeling the effects of.

Jose Mourinho has lost 16 of his last 34 matches after losing 16 of the previous 111 matches.

Ouch. 

1 hour ago, kiwi1691 said:

It is sad to say but I think Chelsea would be in a better position today if Jose had never been reappointed.

I've never been a Jose fan and have been openly critical of him , but I think the problems at this club are so complex that things would have come tumbling down sooner or later.

Would things been better now if Jose hadn't returned? If you're talking about right now on this date, probably, so I agree with your statement. On the other hand there are deep flaws in the culture and institutional environment that would have caught up to us at some point. 

I feel the same way about the England team. It's easy to say they would have been better off without Hodgson, but that's not the main problem. The FA and their internal culture, structure, cronyism, and corruption are holding back England. The mindset that has been cultivated among the players is holding back England. Getting rid of Hodgson didn't confront the real problems. 

It was the board that appointed Jose after all. It was the board that got rid of Ancelotti in a humiliating uncalled for manner. It was the board that booted Frank Lampard without as much as a thank you.

I dislike Arsenal almost entirely because of their fans. As a club when and where the games aren't being played, I think there are many ways in which they are superior, at least from the outside. 

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Mourinho was good during his first and second season under his second stint with us in fairness. Did some stupid sh*t, like selling De Bruyne as the biggest one maybe but he did turn us into a very good team again. Which had been lacking for a few years before that.

It makes me ever so happy that he seems to continue on the same path as his last months with us at ManUtd though. They are not playing like a team at the moment. And Jose has ovbiously lost something.

The 'something' that Jose has lost is his ability to maintain a siege mentality for the team.

It's one thing to criticise refs and media and try and paint the illusion that the world is against you, but past a certain point it becomes self-defeating because it instils the attitude of no responsibility - "it's always everyone else's fault". 

The problem with such an attitude (which you will be familiar if you've worked in any sort of organisation) is that it also very much disenfranchises players. All blame and all credit is sought by Mourinho, and while players might be able to buy into it for the short-term, long term they become disillusioned and burnt out in a sense. 

Mourinho will probably turn it around this season but questions would have to be asked if this keeps up.

13 minutes ago, Sindre said:

And Jose has ovbiously lost something.

Has Mourinho perhaps made the mistake of stikcing to the same coaching staff for too long? Alex Ferguson used to change assistant coaches every few years. Perhaps Mourinho needs some new backroom staff to challenge him and for new ideas?

Watford should have 2:0 up before HT. Despite what Jose said, Watford deserved their win. I'm sure Jose will get them winning again this week, but when we were in trouble last year, didn't he blame the individuals ( player and medical staff) and the referee? Hopefully that's the pattern to follow.

I just knew it, every time we lose points, the team mattered to us would win 

 

35 minutes ago, Blue Charm said:

Has Mourinho perhaps made the mistake of stikcing to the same coaching staff for too long? Alex Ferguson used to change assistant coaches every few years. Perhaps Mourinho needs some new backroom staff to challenge him and for new ideas?

Fair shout, I found Conte's comments of maybe last years nightmare season is still lingering over some of the Chelsea players heads interesting, Could that also be the case for Mourinho? I would love to know what truly caused last years catastrophe, A world class manager, A world class playmaker and a fantastic striker all just go to sh*t, How??? 

Edited September 18, 20169 yr by Kinkladze1871

I think if you want a smoking gun you need not further than the fallout of that Swansea game. Mourinho made an error of judgement in effectively scapegoating his best player AND  two of his backroom staff and regardless of what actually happened it was commonly interpreted as him looking for excuses. 

 

Obviously all managers do this, but when you consider that Mourinho is widely accepted as a manager who runs a tight ship based on an extreme loyalty, such a breach of trust has massive ramifications for players trying to buy into his mentality.

Nothing like a good Manchester United capitulation. I always loved Jose when he was with us, but something has gone wrong in the last 12 months for him.

He's on the path to self-destruction the way he's going. I was critical of the club when they sacked him because I thought the players and the board itself bared a huge amount of responsibility for our downfall, but I'm starting to concede it's possible that they made the right call with sacking Jose although the fault of our downfall was countless.

Something has gone wrong for him since we won the title in May 2015. It feels surreal seeing him lose his aura of invincibility that he had displayed for so many years before that but as it stands I don't think I'd want him back at the club.

He was great for us once upon a time, but I think the club has done the right thing moving forward post-Mourinho and I get the sense the pining for Mourinho that existed after leaving the first time and before he returned in June 2013 isn't evident this time round. I certainly don't hold that sentiment toward him the way I did after he left the first time.

As of Manchester United itself, it's great to see them falling apart after the arrogance they displayed in the off-season.

How did we convince Sunderland to give us £8m for Papy?

When a five minute Match of the Day highlight reel shows you as the worst player you know you've had a bad day.

16 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

How did we convince Sunderland to give us £8m for Papy?

When a five minute Match of the Day highlight reel shows you as the worst player you know you've had a bad day.

It was a miracle we made a profit off that transfer! Still astounds me that Sunderland thought he would be a good player for them.

TL;DR mourinho is a sad grumpy old fart these days

a complete 180 to the young mourinho with such charisma and arrogance (in a good way) and energy, when players absolutely adored him, he lost all those traits during his madrid stint

idk what happened, if it's because of age or something, but im just gonna blame it on him having a spoiled brat of a son

Yeah I think that's the difference. He used to inspire, energies and bring teams together. 

Hes defintely lost his energy and charaisma. 

all the years he has spent ripping the piss out of arsene wenger has made him be become arsene wenger

I think it's safe to say we made the correct decision getting rid of him and the incorrect decision to hire him back as he got rid on 3 world class players

I still think it's too early to completely write him off. We're only 5 games in. Next season will be big one for him as he says his teams normally come good then. 

45 minutes ago, Brutos said:

I think it's safe to say we made the correct decision getting rid of him and the incorrect decision to hire him back as he got rid on 3 world class players

Who was world class?

I don't think Cech can be in there as Jose wanted to keep him but Roman insisted he was sold to Arsenal.

People seem far too quick to dismiss what he achieved in his two seasons since he came back. He inherited an underperforming team with no real balance and took them to title challengers in his first season then won it at a canter the next. 

Yes he sold some promising players but at the time that's all the were with no guarantees , he brought in proven class in Costa and Cesc which transformed us into a force once again.

It went tits up in the end due to loads of factors but it's not easy to win the EPL as we are going to find out again in the next few years.

I just find it a bit disrespectful personally but that's just my take on it.