15 minutes ago, Argo said:

Maybe it didn't, but that doesn't excuse a rubbish first touch, horrendous passing/decision making and static movement.

Most likely confidence, didn't take long to work out his Chelsea career wasn't going to last. Giroud's passing was awful in the second half against West Brom.

5 hours ago, coco said:

Even if Michy scores 40 goals in 5 months and we end up getting £300m for him. So what ?  Giving the club more money to spend/waste on players doesn't solve the problem, we have been crap at recognising talent and giving them a proper chance. 

Now we are starting to see the results of our in/out transfer policy over the last 3 years, a squad full of cheap options or expensive gambles.

Difficult. Football. So f. difficult.

2 hours ago, TomCFC85 said:

Social Media saying we're fools to have loaned him when he's in this form.
Give me a break, what do they think the point of a loan even is?
I'd rather loan him and him do well than not.
It's part of the continuous narrative against us this season, do they not think at all he's playing in an easier league with a different formation and style of play?
Boggles my mind.
Good luck to him is what I say, get him back in the Summer and if he still doesn't perform than the problem isn't him, it's us, he's not our style of player but if he does perform then the loan will have done him good.

I will win every game!

Now!

Not later.

I hate losing.

I definitely agree that our style of play didn't suit Bats, you don't suddenly start playing like he is now for Dortmund, and yes i have watched them recently, he is picking the ball up deep, running at sheer pace, causing havoc, and finishing like Suarez, we don't play the ball in quickly to the front men, and as much as i love him to pieces, that is down to Hazard...

He gets the ball, puts his foot on it,(usually fairly deep) then starts his mazy slaloming runs, backing his ability to beat and have a shot, or crossfield pass, this allows defenders to get back in numbers, leaving little space, check how City and liverpool are scoring, this season as well Hazard is scoring  more by shooting more, and we have become a one man team, (well thats my interpretation)

Edited February 16, 20188 yr by Ballack & Blu
Mis spelling

1 hour ago, venom2011 said:

That never happens. Conte and Mourinho have worked with the best in every position on the field. 

Not always, Venom2011.

I don't subscribe the the opinion that we were idiots to loan him out, it's easy to bash us when Michy's playing well, because we're Chelsea. People are very quick to forget that he was poor at times, albeit he scored goals against lesser opposition. I'm pleased that he's playing well, but the Bundelsiga is not the Premier League and the Europa League is not the Champions League, though this will do his confidence the world of good. It was the right call not to make the move permanent, let's hope he comes back and does the business for us next season.

Edited February 16, 20188 yr by Floyd25

It really does amaze me that we have so many posters in here who actually believe (or appear to for comic effect) that, in a multi-million pound business such as top-flight football, managers will make crucial decisons affecting the performance of the team hugely and in real time, based solely upon personal dislike or opinion.

Seriously, people are saying that Mourinho and Conte (and presumably other managers as well) will pick or not, buy or sell based on not liking a player's personality regardless of that player's ability or how they fit in the team.

That is just simply ridiculous.  Laughably so, so much that you have to think that they are just saying it for a wind-up.

Football managers cannot afford to make decisions upon any other basis than a pragmatic analysis of what, in their opinion, is best for the team's results in the immediate and medium-term future.

Can we all grow up a bit and accept that managers make decisions on that basis.  They might make the wrong decisions because they are sh*t managers, but no manager sells a player because he's ginger, or Welsh, or ugly, or drive a flasher motor than the manager, or just because he doesn't like him. Well, maybe Colin W**ker does, but no proper manager.

Edited February 16, 20188 yr by yorkleyblue

It really does amaze me that we have so many posters in here who actually believe (or appear to for comic effect) that, in a multi-million pound business such as top-flight football, managers will make crucial decisons affecting the performance of the team hugely and in real time, based solely upon personal dislike or opinion.
Seriously, people are saying that Mourinho and Conte (and presumably other managers as well) will pick or not, buy or sell based on not liking a player's personality regardless of that player's ability or how they fit in the team.
That is just simply ridiculous.  Laughably so, so much that you have to think that they are just saying it for a wind-up.
Football managers cannot afford to make decisions upon any other basis than a pragmatic analysis of what, in their opinion, is best for the team's results in the immediate and medium-term future.
Can we all grow up a bit and accept that managers make decisions on that basis.  They might make the wrong decisions because they are sh*t managers, but no manager sells a player because he's ginger, or Welsh, or ugly, or drive a flasher motor than the manager, or just because he doesn't like him. Well, maybe Colin W**ker does, but no proper manager.

Picking an individual because of personal preference happens in every aspect of management if you don't believe that happens you need to wake up to the real world. #48LawsOfPower

12 minutes ago, Floyd25 said:

I don't subscribe the the opinion that we were idiots to loan him out, it's easy to bash us when Michy's playing well, because we're Chelsea. People are very quick to forget that he was poor at times, albeit he scored goals against lesser opposition. I'm pleased that he's playing well, but the Bundelsiga is not the Premier League and the Europa League is not the Champions League, though this will do his confidence the world of good. It was the right call not to make the move permanent, let's hope he comes back and does the business for us next season.

So if he doesn't score against the top4/6 he is no good? Do you know the teams that have beaten us this season? I'll say this again: Bakayoko has been worse than Bats this season, and yet has played far more than Bats. Do you know why that is? 

4 minutes ago, Brutos said:

10 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

It really does amaze me that we have so many posters in here who actually believe (or appear to for comic effect) that, in a multi-million pound business such as top-flight football, managers will make crucial decisons affecting the performance of the team hugely and in real time, based solely upon personal dislike or opinion.
Seriously, people are saying that Mourinho and Conte (and presumably other managers as well) will pick or not, buy or sell based on not liking a player's personality regardless of that player's ability or how they fit in the team.
That is just simply ridiculous.  Laughably so, so much that you have to think that they are just saying it for a wind-up.
Football managers cannot afford to make decisions upon any other basis than a pragmatic analysis of what, in their opinion, is best for the team's results in the immediate and medium-term future.
Can we all grow up a bit and accept that managers make decisions on that basis.  They might make the wrong decisions because they are sh*t managers, but no manager sells a player because he's ginger, or Welsh, or ugly, or drive a flasher motor than the manager, or just because he doesn't like him. Well, maybe Colin W**ker does, but no proper manager.

Picking an individual because of personal preference happens in every aspect of management if you don't believe that happens you need to wake up to the real world. #48LawsOfPower

Oh, get sensible.  What football manager will risk his career for a personal dislike, or a personal like of one player over another.  They pick the players they believe have the best chance of winning a particular match against a particular opponent, in the formation and using the tactics they want to use, and, when they have any influence over transfers, they try to buy and sell players based on ability, how they fit into the team and tactics, availability and price they are willing to pay.  Nothing related to whether they will make a pleasant dinner guest or an amusing bridge partner.

18 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

What football manager will risk his career for a personal dislike, or a personal like of one player over another.  

 

1 minute ago, coco said:

 

Smartarses!

So the decline of the team and performances was down to Branna,eh?

I do love living in a world where such simplistic views can be allowed.

Bless you both 

Edited February 16, 20188 yr by yorkleyblue

1 hour ago, TheSage said:

If that's the case, why has Conte persisted with Bakayoko who has been equally bad if not worse? The truth of the matter is that Conte never rated Bats. Just like Mourinho, he picks his favorites pretty fast and writes off those he deems not to fit his "style". I like Conte, but he is very similar to Mourinho in that regard

Don't know, but two wrongs don't make a right.

1 hour ago, coco said:

Basically that's our entire first team atm. Maybe their is a clue in that somewhere ?

Giroud showed last Monday what we were missing from Michy, a few dodgy passes but his movement constantly stretched WBA and created space for his teammates and some of the combination play with Eden was top class.

38 minutes ago, TheSage said:

So if he doesn't score against the top4/6 he is no good? Do you know the teams that have beaten us this season? I'll say this again: Bakayoko has been worse than Bats this season, and yet has played far more than Bats. Do you know why that is? 

No, I'm not saying he's no good, on the contrary I said he deserves to be given another chance next season. But when he has played against top opposition, he hasn't exactly cut it, it could be a confidence issue, due to lack of game time, or perhaps he's not quite Chelsea level yet. I'm saying don't get overexcited due to performances in what is, with all due respect an inferior league, but no doubt this will be good for his confidence, I hope he lights it up for us next season, if we don't sell him. Agree with you on Baka, he's been the stand out weakest performer this season, but I don't get the comparison in game time, different positions, numerous injuries in midfield etc...

11 minutes ago, Floyd25 said:

No, I'm not saying he's no good, on the contrary I said he deserves to be given another chance next season. But when he has played against top opposition, he hasn't exactly cut it, it could be a confidence issue, due to lack of game time, or perhaps he's not quite Chelsea level yet. I'm saying don't get overexcited due to performances in what is, with all due respect an inferior league, but no doubt this will be good for his confidence, I hope he lights it up for us next season, if we don't sell him. Agree with you on Baka, he's been the stand out weakest performer this season, but I don't get the comparison in game time, different positions, numerous injuries in midfield etc...

Has Batman ever started a game against the other big 5 in 18months?

Has he ever shown himself to be good enough to start against a top 6 team?

11 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Has he ever shown himself to be good enough to start against a top 6 team?

"But when he has played against top opposition, he hasn't exactly cut it" , just wondered how often he has started against top opposition specially in the league. 

Don't know about starts - but the original point is valid.

45 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Smartarses!

So the decline of the team and performances was down to Branna,eh?

I do love living in a world where such simplistic views can be allowed.

Bless you both 

Your words were:
"What football manager will risk his career for a personal dislike, or a personal like of one player over another. "
Are you denying that our chance of victory under Jose were risked over his personal like for Ivanovic?

50 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Smartarses!

So the decline of the team and performances was down to Branna,eh?

I do love living in a world where such simplistic views can be allowed.

Bless you both 

Get it right simpleton. 

6 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Don't know about starts - but the original point is valid.

Of course it's not, if he hasn't started against the big teams how can you make a point of judging him against the big teams 

Edited February 16, 20188 yr by Ernie_blue

so you have to start for anyone to judge how you play, is that it?

17 minutes ago, TomCFC85 said:

Your words were:
"What football manager will risk his career for a personal dislike, or a personal like of one player over another. "
Are you denying that our chance of victory under Jose were risked over his personal like for Ivanovic?

Yep - Ivanovic was just one element of a poorly performing team that year, dragged through as well as we were mostly by Willian.

Branna was played because his previous performances warranted them at first.  Is there no respect left?  Branna's performances went down the sh*tter at attacking right-back, I'll grant you that, but Mourinho's tactics that year demanded the sort of player that Branna had been.  I don't think it was a personal like for Ivanovic, but a bit of Jose getting found out, a bit of Jose getting bored and a bit of a team dropping their standards all round. 

Ivanovic was in the Premier league team of the year the previous season, wasn't he?  Id' say rather than personal like or dislike, there was a lot of loyalty to the player, and a lot of f**k me I don't know what to do for the first time in my career from Mourinho

3 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Yep - Ivanovic was just one element of a poorly performing team that year, dragged through as well as we were mostly by Willian.

Branna was played because his previous performances warranted them at first.  Is there no respect left?  Branna's performances went down the sh*tter at attacking right-back, I'll grant you that, but Mourinho's tactics that year demanded the sort of player that Branna had been.  I don't think it was a personal like for Ivanovic, but a bit of Jose getting found out, a bit of Jose getting bored and a bit of a team dropping their standards all round. 

Ivanovic was in the Premier league team of the year the previous season, wasn't he?  Id' say rather than personal like or dislike, there was a lot of loyalty to the player, and a lot of f**k me I don't know what to do for the first time in my career from Mourinho

Just to be clear, I'm far from denying that Ivan wasn't an amazing player for us and his inclusion in the starting 11 was warranted at first. It's just I'm saying his continuous poor performances that season only highlighted Jose's stubbornness to change tactics or give someone else a chance.