14 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

"But when he has played against top opposition, he hasn't exactly cut it"

There you go, you should go back to the start. The point is when has he started against top teams? If he hasn't then it's an unfair judgement to make from a few mins here and there.

Whether he should start against the top 6 is a TOTALY different point, he shouldn't if your main forward it fit.

He started and played over 70 mins against Arsenal in the CS. How would you describe his performance that day ?

19 minutes ago, Osgood is Good said:

He started and played over 70 mins against Arsenal in the CS. How would you describe his performance that day ?

1 game, Wooooooooow, and that was already after a season of being treated like sh*t. I'm not even defending Batman just calling out the BS.

Edited February 16, 20188 yr by Ernie_blue

28 minutes ago, Floyd25 said:

My original comment was, when he played against top teams, not when he started against top teams and when he did come on and play against them, he looked out of his depth at times. Now he's performing well for Dortmund, some of you've want to pretend otherwise. I stand my point, loan move was the correct call, listen, I hope he comes back next season full of confidence and kills it. 

So if any other player plays a few mins here or there against the top teams we just say his no good, I never knew a footballer had to perform within a certain amount of minutes against certain teams which happen to be the best, good luck to the youngsters.

On the other point about starting them games well if course he shouldn't if Costa or Morata are fit and has never put in a consistent worth of games to warrant it.

5 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

1 game, Wooooooooow, and that was already after a season of being treated like sh*t. I'm not even defending Batman just calling out the BS.

You asked, "when has he started against a top team" I gave you Arsenal and your response is above, but not answering the question. On the match thread many said he should not be a Chelsea player, and some said he didn't resemble a footballer.

OK, what about his performance against Burnley or Palace ?.

 

Just now, Osgood is Good said:

You asked, "when has he started against a top team" I gave you Arsenal and your response is above, but not answering the question. On the match thread many said he should not be a Chelsea player, and some said he didn't resemble a footballer.

OK, what about his performance against Burnley or Palace ?.

 

I've never said Batman has performed well, all I was calling out the BS of judging his performances against the big teams which is 1 Start in 18monthsin a pre season friendly. 

Looks like he suits BVB style of play. Newcastle I expect was his last game for Chelsea. Good luck to the kid. 

1 minute ago, Ernie_blue said:

I've never said Batman has performed well, all *I was calling out the BS of judging his performances against the big teams which is 1 Start in 18monthsin a pre season friendly. 

Oh mate, the CS is a bit more than a pre-season friendly, but whatever floats your boat.

I think a few are calling out the BS, and the point being is, he is a square peg in a round hole in the Chelsea side. He can't do what Chelsea require at the moment.

 

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55 minutes ago, Osgood is Good said:

He started and played over 70 mins against Arsenal in the CS. How would you describe his performance that day ?

Conte was won only 1 match out of 8 against Arsenal, so judging Bats' performance in that match is harsh IMO. There's no doubt he had bad games, but Conte has been more patient with other players. He didn't rate Bats from the start, which I think is unfortunate.  And if we're talking about bad games, what about the run of games where Morata couldn't score to save his life and was fluffing gilt-edged chances? You may argue he was making good runs to create the chances, but what good is that when he can't score?

The bigger issue is that the club needs to do a better job of collaborating with the manager when buying players. It appears they buy players without Conte's input (Conte's utterances seem to point to this), and we end up wasting money on players the manager doesn't want to use (e.g, Bats, Drinkwater ). 

Edited February 16, 20188 yr by TheSage
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36 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

So if any other player plays a few mins here or there against the top teams we just say his no good, I never knew a footballer had to perform within a certain amount of minutes against certain teams which happen to be the best, good luck to the youngsters.

On the other point about starting them games well if course he shouldn't if Costa or Morata are fit and has never put in a consistent worth of games to warrant it.

I'm basing my opinion on a bit more than a few minutes here and there against top teams and you can't compare him to youth players. I think his lack of game time has more to do with the lack of quality he has showcased in some games and that's why he hasn't started more often when Morata has been injured. I agree, he could have been given more minutes, but I've stated numerous times, I'm pleased for him right now and I hope he comes back and does really well.

2 hours ago, didierforever said:

So are you telling me that Conte thought that Morata was a better striker for chelsea than Costa, because that sure as hell was "PERSONAL".

It was a personal decision from Conte to sell off Costa and buy morata, I honestly cant think any other way about it. And that sure as hell looks like a poor decision at least for his near future at the club.

As for Jose, "run out of ideas and enthusiasm", "loyalty to a player", etc etc... I see them as mere excuses. Fact is he simply did not drop him when he should clearly have done so, dozens of games ago, that too. We had a lot of players who performed poorly that season, but Ivanovic was the worst of the lot. He got skinned week in and week out, even against bang average wingers.

Well, just out of the top of my head are the watford and bournemouth defeats in which we played the false 9 and looked utterly toothless. So well... 

So, as usual, avoiding my points and mumbling on along your own agenda.  Costa wanted to leave before Conte even came - Why was that personal?

1 hour ago, Ernie_blue said:

1 game, Wooooooooow, and that was already after a season of being treated like sh*t. I'm not even defending Batman just calling out the BS.

I spy goalposts being moved, BIGLY!!!!!!

14 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

So, as usual, avoiding my points and mumbling on along your own agenda.  Costa wanted to leave before Conte even came - Why was that personal?

I spy goalposts being moved, BIGLY!!!!!!

Nah you already did that at the start.

29 minutes ago, Floyd25 said:

I'm basing my opinion on a bit more than a few minutes here and there against top teams and you can't compare him to youth players. I think his lack of game time has more to do with the lack of quality he has showcased in some games and that's why he hasn't started more often when Morata has been injured. I agree, he could have been given more minutes, but I've stated numerous times, I'm pleased for him right now and I hope he comes back and does really well.

See we are talking about different things again, there's no point anymore.

Hears the thing... contes number one priority for a striker is not goal scoring... I'm not saying it's not a factor but if you look at his Juve team you had a lot of goals from midfield because he had strikers that would bring others in to the game, both skill sets that morat and giroud posses ( I don't really rate the latter) michy is a pure goal scorer , his first instinct is to turn and go... I just think this is a conflict in what conte what's 

3 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

See we are talking about different things again, there's no point anymore.

We were talking about Michy Batshuayi, no? Never mind, we'll have to agree to disagree, no hard feelings.

 

9 minutes ago, Floyd25 said:

We were talking about Michy Batshuayi, no? Never mind, we'll have to agree to disagree, no hard feelings.

 

Oh no it was just the watching him against the top teams which I felt was harsh.

I fully agree with anyone who says Batman's performances have been poor, there's no getting away from that. I do also think he hasn't been given the chance mainly due to the manager not wanting him. Wrong place wrong time, Chelsea wasted everyone's time keeping him 6 months too long.

Just to double down on the point above you can see giroud played a very big part in bothe goals, he's a focal point that keeps the play going, you could call it high percentage plays but it seems to be what conte wants 

2 hours ago, barak81 said:

Hears the thing... contes number one priority for a striker is not goal scoring... I'm not saying it's not a factor but if you look at his Juve team you had a lot of goals from midfield because he had strikers that would bring others in to the game, both skill sets that morat and giroud posses ( I don't really rate the latter) michy is a pure goal scorer , his first instinct is to turn and go... I just think this is a conflict in what conte what's 

He tends to play with a target man, and can remember he had Pelle & Zaza as his options. I just don’t think his 3-5-2 formation will work in a long season where you are challenging on 4 fonts. 

Football is a results based game and saying a goal scorer doesn’t fit with your philosophy is a bit barmy. Can’t see a future for Batshuayi here as long as he is manager. Ideally a manager would adapt his tactics to the players he has, not the other way round. Ironically teams like Liverpool & City don’t lump to their front men, expecting their wing men to feed off the knock downs.

7 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

So, as usual, avoiding my points and mumbling on along your own agenda.  Costa wanted to leave before Conte even came - Why was that personal?

I spy goalposts being moved, BIGLY!!!!!!

Your points are that no decision being made is personal. I am giving you examples of decisions being made which were totally personal. Conte with Costa, Pep with Yaya just from the last year or so are massive examples of such a thing. How is that avoiding your points? 

I honestly cant even understand how someone feels that personal feelings towards a person dont impact decisions. Forget a multi-million job of Conte, hell, CEOs/Managers of multi billion companies are made through personal feelings rather than meritous behaviour. 

On 2/17/2018 at 03:24, didierforever said:

 Conte with Costa,

How was that personal?  Costa was agitating for a move back to AM from before Conte arrived.  Costa downed tools in January, but was still picked up to the end of the season.  In what twisted universe could that be called a personal decision by the manager?

I don't watch that much Sky analysis, so I don't know what you mean by Pep with Yaya.

And you are totally wrong about CEOs and the like - NO-ONE would make a decision potentially costing millions of pounds based on a personal like or dislike of another person.  Get sensible.

6 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

How was that personal?  Costa was agitating for a move back to AM from before Conte arrived.  Costa downed tools in January, but was still picked up to the end of the season.  In what twisted universe could that be called a personal decision by the manager?

I don't watch that much Sky analysis, so I don't know what you mean by Pep with Yaya.

And you are totally wrong about CEOs and the like - NO-ONE would make a decision potentially costing millions of pounds based on a personal like or dislike of another person.  Get sensible.

Do you actually believe what you've written here?

8 hours ago, Barry Bridges said:

Do you actually believe what you've written here?

I honestly dont think he does, but just for the sake of argument he just keep repeating what he wants others to think is right. 

12 hours ago, Barry Bridges said:

Do you actually believe what you've written here?

Why would you ask that?

16 hours ago, Barry Bridges said:

Do you actually believe what you've written here?

Hes obviously right about the Costa thing though, he was agitating for a move from that summer and tried to get sold to Madrid. Conte probably wasnt blameless but it all came down to Costa wanting to leave.