"Sarri close to Chelsea. Could be soon. Zenit not in the frame."

 

12 minutes ago, Hazard10 said:

Aren't you taken the piss a bit ? The way you're talking you could do that to every manager in some way or form. At the end of the day there are no managers who are a 100 % certain to win trophies or do great things at a club. Sometimes serial winners go into a club and do an absolute sh*t job other times it works. Sometimes you've got managers who haven 't won or proven anything and they go on to win trophies and do great. Look at RDM for us. 

In what way exactly do you think I’m taking the piss? Surely you can see the difference between appointing someone who’s had one season of top flight experience and someone who’s won titles?

Of course there’s no guarantees any manager will bring success but those with a history of it are more likely than someone unproven. That’s why the likes of Mourinho, Ancelotti, Pep etc. are so sought after because they’re proven winners. 

Not sure why you spoke about “serial winners”, that’s not something that I’ve argued for or against. My question has been, if appointing someone who’s track record of winning things isn’t important why Sarri over anyone else?

He’s never managed outside of Italy, he’s never managed a club of our size, so why him as aposed to (as my go to example) Eddie Howe? What suggestion is there that he’ll be a success at Chelsea over say, Jody Morris, who has worked wonders with developing young players whilst playing attractive, attacking football?

VS Pep Good insight 

 

 

 

19 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Is it true that Sarri doesn't like to use much of rotations in his squad?

To do rotations and fight to win the championship you need very good alternatives . In Naples there weren't, in Chelsea probably they will be. Naturally to play with the difensive line with the feet on the midfield line and have perfect automatisms you can not change too much expecially in the backward department. The defenders with Sarri move of department only according the ball and never the man. It seems synchronized swim.

Hes made Napoli extremely hard to play against if he joins i see emerson as first choice LB 

 

 

2 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

In what way exactly do you think I’m taking the piss? Surely you can see the difference between appointing someone who’s had one season of top flight experience and someone who’s won titles?

Of course there’s no guarantees any manager will bring success but those with a history of it are more likely than someone unproven. That’s why the likes of Mourinho, Ancelotti, Pep etc. are so sought after because they’re proven winners. 

Not sure why you spoke about “serial winners”, that’s not something that I’ve argued for or against. My question has been, if appointing someone who’s track record of winning things isn’t important why Sarri over anyone else?

He’s never managed outside of Italy, he’s never managed a club of our size, so why him as aposed to (as my go to example) Eddie Howe? What suggestion is there that he’ll be a success at Chelsea over say, Jody Morris, who has worked wonders with developing young players whilst playing attractive, attacking football?

Becasue like i said it's easy to pick apart managers. How much more likely though ? 

Sarri football is more exciting then Eddie Howe's football. It's simply better. Also Eddie Howe finished 12th with Bournemouth not really sure how you can compare that with Sarri finishing second with Napoli with 91 points.

The Eddie Howe-Sarri comparison is where i thought you took the piss as i just find it hard to believe that anyone that actually takes the time to watch both would then ask the question why not Eddie ?

You might not have said the words serial winner but you do seem to have an issue with Sarri not winning trophies  and Jardim/Enrique winning trophies. So what i said still applies. 

Because Jody Morris has absolutely 0 experience managing a senior club. Like wtf ?  I don't understand you. Just because Sarri didn't win trophies with Napoli doesn't mean we should just put him in the same bracket as any fuker that plays attractive football and didn't win any trophies. He still kept Napoli challenging for the title when they had no business doing so without any big signings and even losing his top scorer after his first season (Higuain). 

I have always thought winning mentality comes as much from the players as it does the manager. Tottenham's big problem is that players like Kane have a weak mentality and there is no expectation at the club to win titles. At Chelsea, the aim is to win titles every season and that translates down to the players as well. I would be curious to see how Sarri does in his time here aimed ether he can go on and win something. It's worth the risk in my opinion.

59 minutes ago, Master&Commander said:

To do rotations and fight to win the championship you need very good alternatives . In Naples there weren't, in Chelsea probably they will be. Naturally to play with the difensive line with the feet on the midfield line and have perfect automatisms you can not change too much expecially in the backward department. The defenders with Sarri move of department only according the ball and never the man. It seems synchronized swim.

Thanks for the insight.

https://www.alfredopedulla.com/esclusiva-chelsea-sarri-incontro-positivo-domani-si-prosegue/

It's almost done. This source is the most reliable.

Edited May 24, 20188 yr by Master&Commander

3 hours ago, Master&Commander said:

Comparing Sarri to Scolari/Villas Boas is like comparing Albert Einstein to Benny Hill or Mr.Bean. You nave still not understood who is the Master. He is a genius. Get used to watching drones fly over Cobham. He  usually uses them to improve the alignment and the departmental movements of the difensive line.

 

I'm with you mate. I've no idea why people keep banging on about his record. Don't they understand? He uses drones!

2 hours ago, Brutos said:

Every coach started out winning "fuk all" as you put it  

But he’s not just starting out is he. He’s 59 and has been managing for 13 years.

I have to say there's one thing troubling me. Well two things but we've been over his record already.

 

The second thing is the fact he's available. Why is he available? He had another year to run on his contract. He's from Naples, Napoli are his boyhood club, why not stay and see if you can bring home the title for the first time since Maradona? Why not stay and become a hero, especially if you've already come so close, especially if you believe in your abilities?

 

Simeone stays at the club he loves presumably because he wants to win the CL. In other words, he has unfinished business, having won everything else, improbably. Kloop did the business at Dortmund, breaking Bayern's stranglehold, Jardim's done it at Monaco. Why not stay? Why not give it another crack? What better challenge could there be? What better way to prove your credentials?

 

He had one year left, he met with the president, the president wanted him to sign a longer deal we're told, they couldn't agree, the president signs Ancelotti. Weird. If he rates him so highly. Weird, especially for this guy. Why would he let go of a prized asset? He had one year to run.

 

Edit: Why's he going now, in other words. Weird one if you ask me.

Edited May 24, 20188 yr by Davey Baby

Hi there. Be sure if u got Sarri as manager, a lot of ppl from naples is gonna be an hard chelsea fan. 

we love him to the moon and back, we are still crying for his firing. 

With your club financial power and if the players will follow the mister blindly, you will have a lot of fun!

 

1 minute ago, boomerdog said:

But he’s not just starting out is he. He’s 59 and has been managing for 13 years.

He started from nothing. Wasn't professional player, was just a visionary that left a safe job in bank to follow his dream. Never had a team to win, but almost made the miracle in the last three years. 

 

The meeting between Sarri and Chelsea was positive and will be continued tomorrow, Chelsea expressed their will to pay the €8M release clause, and are offering Sarri a 2-year contract (@AlfredoPedulla)Holly 

11 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

I have to say there's one thing troubling me. Well two things but we've been over his record already.

 

The second thing is the fact he's available. Why is he available? He had another year to run on his contract. He's from Naples, Napoli are his boyhood club, why not stay and see if you bring home the title for the first time since Maradona? Why not stay and become a hero, especially if you've already come so close, especially if you believe in your abilities?

 

Simeone stays at the club he loves presumably because he wants to win the CL. In other words, he has unfinished business, having won everything else, improbably. Kloop did the business at Dortmund, breaking Bayern's stranglehold, Jardim's done it at Monaco. Why not stay? Why not give it another crack? What better challenge could there be?

 

He had one year left, he met with the president, the president wanted him to sign a longer deal we're told, they couldn't agree, the president signs Ancelotti. Weird. If he rates him so highly. Weird, especially for this guy. Why would he let go of a prized asset?

 

Why's he going now, in other words. Weird one if you ask me.

Gotta remember that Napoli don't have a lot of money they don't do big transfers. Several key players look to be leaving. He probably feels like he's gotten the maximum out of these group of players. 

If he stayed he'd have even less quality to work with then before. Probably feels it's time for something new. 

Edit: Not like Napoli had much choice Sarri had a release clause that could be triggered by anyone.

Unless they signed him to a new deal and removed the clause they we're pretty much screwed. 

Contract extension talks broke down early meaking it clear he was looking to leave.

Edited May 24, 20188 yr by Hazard10

5 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

The second thing is the fact he's available. Why is he available? He had another year to run on his contract. He's from Naples, Napoli are his boyhood club, why not stay and see if you can bring home the title for the first time since Maradona? Why not stay and become a hero, especially if you've already come so close, especially if you believe in your abilities?

 

Because we want him. He would have stayed happy in Napoli but he wants to come to be our boss and that alone makes me happy.
He had a talk with the Napoli owner it was reported and it ended up with him getting fired, he obviously said that he wants more than what Napoli can offer. He doesn't have a Maradona in his squad and he very well knows that he can't get anyone close to that.

I think it's totally positive that he wants to come to Chelsea, you know there are many Italians that love Chelsea, last year when I was visiting the mega store at the Bridge I saw many Italians and it was before the season started and some had their kids with them, I still remember one kid that couldn't have been older than 7 pointing to some shirt maybe of Hazard I don't remember that detail and he said "papa que bello" and that warmed my heart. I think in general Italians love London as well it's one of their favorite places to visit as well.

I think that because Sarri believes in his abilities makes him to want to change the club, if he had no such confidence, staying in Napoli was always the default option.
 

3 minutes ago, Hazard10 said:

Gotta remember that Napoli don't have a lot of money they don't do big transfers. Several key players look to be leaving. He probably feels like he's gotten the maximum out of these group of players. 

If he stayed he'd have even less quality to work with then before. Probably feels it's time for something new. 

I seem to remember this being the story in the press in the lead up to the talks with Laurentiis, Sarri wanted assurances that his players weren't going to be sold and my guess is he wasn't given it. 

If u wonna know why he's out of naples, it's because our president it's not a nice person to work with. The mister wasn't sure to repeat what he has done this year so he was thinking about what to do, the president got pissed and he said you know what? im kicking you out and sign Ancelotti. 

Sarri is a great soccer teacher, it's very very similar to the game you see with guardiola teams. 

The only problem he could have is he's not very used to use all the player at his disposition. He is not perfect in reading the game and he has not international experience at all. 

But you don't have to be worried. he's a beast and your team is gonna perform wonderfully. 

 

Edited May 24, 20188 yr by umb

3 hours ago, Hazard10 said:

Not really sure how Jardim can be described as a serial winner ? Apart from his ligue 1 title with Monaco over PSG the only other titles i can find is a league and cup double in greece with Olympiacos. 

That might sound impressive until you dig a little deeper and find out that Olympiacos has won the league 7 consecutive times in a row in the 2010-2017 period. 

 

I know this was directed at someone else but I want to pick you up on it.

 

Jardim may not be a serial winner but he's been a major success wherever he's been, and that league title with Monaco is not to be sniffed at, in fact it's a monumental achievement, and it proves something Sarri's yet to prove, it proves he can win.

 

Of every manager that we might be able to tempt, Jardim has the most impressive record, far more impressive than Sarri. I'm not saying he's a better manager, I'm not commenting on the quality of football. I'm looking at it dispassionately. The better record is Jardim's, easily.

 

Takes over a 3rd division side in Portugal, gets them promoted immediately. Takes over a 2nd division side, gets them promoted, immediately. Takes over Braga in the top division, leads them to 3rd, breaking their record of consecutive wins in the process. Goes to Olympiakos, wins the Double, immediately. Goes to Sporting in Portugal, a team full of youngsters, they finish 2nd, 25 points better off than the previous season. Goes to Monaco, wins their first title for 17 years, beating PSG with a fraction of the budget, also taking them to the semis in the CL.

 

Considering he's only 43, that's a pretty astonishing record.

5 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

 

I know this was directed at someone else but I want to pick you up on it.

 

Jardim may not be a serial winner but he's been a major success wherever he's been, and that league title with Monaco is not to be sniffed at, in fact it's a monumental achievement, and it proves something Sarri's yet to prove, it proves he can win.

 

Of every manager that we might be able to tempt, Jardim has the most impressive record, far more impressive than Sarri. I'm not saying he's a better manager, I'm not commenting on the quality of football. I'm looking at it dispassionately. The better record is Jardim's, easily.

 

Takes over a 3rd division side in Portugal, gets them promoted immediately. Takes over a 2nd division side, gets them promoted, immediately. Takes over Braga in the top division, leads them to 3rd, breaking their record of consecutive wins in the process. Goes to Olympiakos, wins the Double, immediately. Goes to Sportin?g in Portugal, a team full of youngsters, they finish 2nd, 25 points better off than the previous season. Goes to Monaco, wins their first title for 17 years, beating PSG with a fraction of the budget, also taking them to the semis in the CL.

 

Considering he's only 43, that's a pretty astonishing record.

Fair enough i suppose. Doesn't seem to matter now though. Sarri's coming and Jardim seems to be staying put. 

11 minutes ago, Hazard10 said:

Gotta remember that Napoli don't have a lot of money they don't do big transfers. Several key players look to be leaving. He probably feels like he's gotten the maximum out of these group of players. 

If he stayed he'd have even less quality to work with then before. Probably feels it's time for something new. 

Edit: Not like Napoli had much choice Sarri had a release clause that could be triggered by anyone.?

Unless they signed him to a new deal and removed the clause they we're pretty much screwed. 

Contract extension talks broke down early meaking it clear he was looking to leave.

 

Why not wait for the release clause to be triggered then, instead of going out and signing Ancelotti? Sarri's available now, whereas if he were at Napoli, we'd have to pay for him.

 

As for players being sold, sure, I mentioned Simeone, Klopp and Jardim. Atletico, Dortmund and Monaco also sell their best players. Didn't stop their managers from sticking around and winning against all odds. Sarri's a boy from Naples. Knock Juventus off their perch and you go down in folklore.

2 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

 

I know this was directed at someone else but I want to pick you up on it.

 

Jardim may not be a serial winner but he's been a major success wherever he's been, and that league title with Monaco is not to be sniffed at, in fact it's a monumental achievement, and it proves something Sarri's yet to prove, it proves he can win.

 

Of every manager that we might be able to tempt, Jardim has the most impressive record, far more impressive than Sarri. I'm not saying he's a better manager, I'm not commenting on the quality of football. I'm looking at it dispassionately. The better record is Jardim's, easily.

 

Takes over a 3rd division side in Portugal, gets them promoted immediately. Takes over a 2nd division side, gets them promoted, immediately. Takes over Braga in the top division, leads them to 3rd, breaking their record of consecutive wins in the process. Goes to Olympiakos, wins the Double, immediately. Goes to Sporting in Portugal, a team full of youngsters, they finish 2nd, 25 points better off than the previous season. Goes to Monaco, wins their first title for 17 years, beating PSG with a fraction of the budget, also taking them to the semis in the CL.

 

Considering he's only 43, that's a pretty astonishing record.

Agree totally. It also would be less of a formulaic appointment as this increasingly looks like this could be. I hope i am wrong but this just doesn't look like the type of appointment that i personally crave. Yes, introduce a high tempo, high pressing, energetic playing style but also introduce more of the youngsters and develop a change in ethos over time within the club that brings regular trophy success but from a stable management structure. Maybe this will never happen. If we do go down this route then i wish him success and will back him 100% but for me the soundbites are very reminiscent of the talk about Conte prior to him joining.

11 minutes ago, PedroMendez said:

I seem to remember this being the story in the press in the lead up to the talks with Laurentiis, Sarri wanted assurances that his players weren't going to be sold and my guess is he wasn't given it. 

 

Sure, but Laurentiis doesn't have to let him go.

1 minute ago, Davey Baby said:

 

Why not wait for the release clause to be triggered then, instead of going out and signing Ancelotti? Sarri's available now, whereas if he were at Napoli, we'd have to pay for him.

 

As for players being sold, sure, I mentioned Simeone, Klopp and Jardim. Atletico, Dortmund and Monaco also sell their best players. Didn't stop their managers from sticking around and winning against all odds. Sarri's a boy from Naples. Knock Juventus off their perch and you go down in folklore.

As if taking the title from Juventus is actually possible when they won 7 seasons in a row...He did his job very well there, he made Napoli compete with teams that have a lot more money, winning the title would have been a miracle.