3 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

As if taking the title from Juventus is actually possible when they won 7 seasons in a row...He did his job very well there, he made Napoli compete with teams that have a lot more money, winning the title would have been a miracle.

 

Atletico won the title under Simeone. Believe me, that's even more of a miracle. Klopp winning it at Dortmund and Jardim at Monaco is no less a feat than Sarri potentially winning it with Naples.

 

Maybe, as the Napoli fan above says, relations between manager and owner broke down.

10 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

Sure, but Laurentiis doesn't have to let him go.

Agreed, but we saw this season what happens when there's friction between the directors and the manager.

Further to this there were rumblings in the press that we wanted Sarri to get him self sacked maybe this happened or as some of the tweets posted in here and reports are still stating that we are having to pay the buy out clause, maybe we approached he said he was leaving and Laurentis went in for Ancelloti, who knows. 

There are lots of reasons why what has transpired has transpired but i don't think he was sacked for a lack of coaching ability.

I'm not on here suggesting we should sign Sarri as I don't really know much about him, as you have pointed out his recorded is not as good as other managers around and he isn't our usual managerial target in that sense, but tbh if we are going for Sarri I would be excited that we are breaking the mould as I imagine the club have spotted something in him that the think suits the club. 

Edited May 24, 20188 yr by PedroMendez

11 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

 

Why not wait for the release clause to be triggered then, instead of going out and signing Ancelotti? Sarri's available now, whereas if he were at Napoli, we'd have to pay for him.

 

As for players being sold, sure, I mentioned Simeone, Klopp and Jardim. Atletico, Dortmund and Monaco also sell their best players. Didn't stop their managers from sticking around and winning against all odds. Sarri's a boy from Naples. Knock Juventus off their perch and you go down in folklore.

Sarri is still under contract. He hasn't officially been sacked yet. Still listed as Napoli's coach on their site. No offical message saying they've ended their cooperation with him. If we want him we're still going to have to pay the 8 million. 

Like i said before 

"Gotta remember that Napoli don't have a lot of money they don't do big transfers. Several key players look to be leaving. He probably feels like he's gotten the maximum out of these group of players. 

If he stayed he'd have even less quality to work with then before."

Probably felt like this season was their best chance at winning. They fell short. Can't see Napoli going for the title again unless they get some new players in which won't happen.

Forget Sarri! Roy Keane wants a return to management!!!

3 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

 

Atletico won the title under Simeone. Believe me, that's even more of a miracle. Klopp winning it at Dortmund and Jardim at Monaco is no less a feat than Sarri potentially winning it with Naples.

 

Maybe, as the Napoli fan above says, relations between manager and owner broke down.

No it's not. I know for sure that Napoli winning the title would have been a bigger miracle.
They are the only team from south Italy that could win it and that could put up a fight against the rich teams, winning in this current state of Italian football where they are missing the World Cup after 50 years after the coach didn't want to put Insigne to play, where 90% of their stadiums are falling apart and where Juventus built a full new stadium when they weren't even affected by the calciopoli at all, shows who runs their football and at what greater cost. 

Simeone managed to keep his core players over the years and that club managed to always replace their star striker, from Torres to Aguero to Falcao and their players would never ever join their biggest rival.
But then you see Napoli and Higuain went directly to Juventus, if you look at their transfer history it's very clear that Napoli shouldn't be able to compete with Juventus and Roma but they did it anyway.
Klopp won with the team that he built after several years but after Bayern bought Gotze and Lewandowski what did he win? Nothing.

5 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

No it's not. I know for sure that Napoli winning the title would have been a bigger miracle.
They are the only team from south Italy that could win it and that could put up a fight against the rich teams, winning in this current state of Italian football where they are missing the World Cup after 50 years after the coach didn't want to put Insigne to play, where 90% of their stadiums are falling apart and where Juventus built a full new stadium when they weren't even affected by the calciopoli at all, shows who runs their football and at what greater cost. 

Simeone managed to keep his core players over the years and that club managed to always replace their star striker, from Torres to Aguero to Falcao and their players would never ever join their biggest rival.
But then you see Napoli and Higuain went directly to Juventus, if you look at their transfer history it's very clear that Napoli shouldn't be able to compete with Juventus and Roma but they did it anyway.
Klopp won with the team that he built after several years but after Bayern bought Gotze and Lewandowski what did he win? Nothing.

 

Simone won the title in 2014. Compare his side with Real Madrid's and Barcelona's. I'm sorry but I can't agree with you. As for keeping their core players, whenever a big money offer comes in for their players, they sell them. They always sell their best players, and sometimes to their rivals. Turan went to Barcelona and Griezmann may follow suit.

6 hours ago, the special one said:

Must admit I have the same gut feeling, not because I think Sarri is the wrong coach but because I just don't think we have the players nor do we have the foresight to replace the players who don't/won't fit his style.

This comes with a caveat that I hope he'll change things tactically next season but I'm swaying toward wanting Conte to stay for another season.

This is one of the really important points. Is Bakayoko going to fit Sarriball? One touch football with intelligent use of space and vision? Unlikely.

In my view if Sarri isn't bringing Jorginho with him at a minimum we could already be on a hiding to nothing.  

 

If the rumors about Sarri wanting Higuain to come are true, I’m starting to dislike him even before he has signed the thing.

 

He’s got worse targets than Conte.

9 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

Is Bakayoko going to fit Sarriball?

Have you ever tried making a milkshake with orange juice ?

4 minutes ago, Ledgerson said:

If the rumors about Sarri wanting Higuain to come are true, I’m starting to dislike him even before he has signed the thing.

 

He’s got worse targets than Conte.

Id have Higuain over Morata. Mind you I'd have Ledgerson over Morata

10 minutes ago, coco said:

Have you ever tried making a milkshake with orange juice ?

....Should I?

Just now, Spiller86 said:

....Should I?

Definitely not. 

20 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

 

Simone won the title in 2014. Compare his side with Real Madrid's and Barcelona's. I'm sorry but I can't agree with you. As for keeping their core players, whenever a big money offer comes in for their players, they sell them. They always sell their best players, and sometimes to their rivals. Turan went to Barcelona and Griezmann may follow suit.

Simeone had a great team that went to the final of the Champions League as well, you're saying as if they had a bad team so you're very mistaken, the leaders of that team are still there.
Like I already pointed out that team always managed to find a new big star as soon as they would sell one, like Torres-Aguero-Falcao-Costa and so on, your example of selling to rivals is not good Turan is garbage and didn't do anything in Barcelona at all while Griezmann still didn't even leave the team!

20 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Simeone had a great team that went to the final of the Champions League as well, you're saying as if they had a bad team so you're very mistaken, the leaders of that team are still there.
Like I already pointed out that team always managed to find a new big star as soon as they would sell one, like Torres-Aguero-Falcao-Costa and so on, your example of selling to rivals is not good Turan is garbage and didn't do anything in Barcelona at all while Griezmann still didn't even leave the team!

 

You said "their players would never ever join their biggest rivals". I gave you a perfectly good example. Turan was fantastic for Atletico, what he did at Barcelona is neither here nor there, other than to further illustrate my point, which is that Atletico's success is all about the manager. Yes they've also got to 2 CL finals. Even more reason to congratulate Simeone. If you think that team is beating Messi's Barca and Ronaldo's Real to the title with another manager you're very much mistaken.

 

Edit: In fact I think you're living in cloud cuckoo land.

Edited May 24, 20188 yr by Davey Baby

58 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

This is one of the really important points. Is Bakayoko going to fit Sarriball? One touch football with intelligent use of space and vision? Unlikely.

In my view if Sarri isn't bringing Jorginho with him at a minimum we could already be on a hiding to nothing.  

 

As others have rightly said I don't think we're a million miles away, for me we just need a few additions in key positions. However unlikely it may be I'll be more optimistic if we sign Weigl or Dani Parejo (Jorginho is on his way to Man City if the rumours are to be believed), Lozano (a proper inside forward unlike Hazard, call me crazy but I think Hazard could play deeper in the Hamsik role) and maybe an experienced CB who is both good on the ball and comfortable in a back 4 (Alderweireld/Albiol).

Edited May 24, 20188 yr by the special one

53 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

 

Simone won the title in 2014. Compare his side with Real Madrid's and Barcelona's. I'm sorry but I can't agree with you. As for keeping their core players, whenever a big money offer comes in for their players, they sell them. They always sell their best players, and sometimes to their rivals. Turan went to Barcelona and Griezmann may follow suit.

Ancelotti failure in my opinion. As good as Atletico were, that was for the taking for a team of their ability. Barcelona were at their worst with Tata Martino screwing up their team. He should have won.

I will say, right now Simeone is a better manager then Sarri based upon what he has achieved in the game. Problem is I couldn't stand to watch us under him even if we were winning. I genuinely could not watch our games as we scrape through 1-0 after 1-0. I would still support us but watching our matches would be too much. His football is like Mourinho on steroids. It's really negative. 

Also, neither of the two managers you have mentioned have worked for a team where the opposition will sit back and park the bus. There are questions over both being able to adapt to those conditions. Sarri has shown his teams can thrive against low block defenses. The other two have not. There is a big difference being a big club in Spain and France compared to being a big club in England. Teams in England are much more accepting of giving up possession to win a game.

Simeone has also spent a sh*t tonne of money.

5 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

 

You said "their players would never ever join their biggest rivals". I gave you a perfectly good example. Turan was fantastic for Atletico, what he did at Barcelona is neither here nor there, other than to further illustrate my point, which is that Atletico's success is all about the manager. Yes they've also got to 2 CL finals. Even more reason to congratulate Simeone. If you think that team is beating Messi's Barca and Ronaldo's Real to the title with another manager you're very much mistaken.

 

Edit: In fact I think you're living in cloud cuckoo land.

You're the one that said that if Atletico and Dortmund could win their own league why wouldn't Sarri stay there to do the same - a comparison based on only the fact that those teams are smaller and not the favorites to win a league title so you argue why wouldn't that also happen to Napoli as well since other teams in other leagues have done it.

Sounds like a very basic reasoning that someone could come up with in a matter of 1 second but it does take someone living in cuckoo land to actually write it down, and still decide to post it somewhere!
You found one example where an Atletico Madrid player signed for a bigger rival, a player that didn't actually play much at all for Barcelona and was basically kicked out so he never ever contributed there  whatsoever and Atletico took the cash from that it's not like they were suffering in any way because of that transfer of Turan to Barcelona they benefited from it, got rid of a player that was a ticking bomb and continued to fight on so no you didn't actually prove any point there  because you're comparing that to Napoli that sold Higuain to Juventus as if Turan from Atletico to Barcelona was an equally damaging transfer for Atletico like it was for Napoli losing Higuain!

2 minutes ago, Total-Football said:

Simeone has also spent a sh*t tonne of money.

Usually selling for big bucks first though. Losing Costa then bringing in a cheaper player in Greizmann.

Atletico are masters of losing world class players but brining in talent for cheaper who perform at the same level.

Look at their net spend compared to their rivals in Spain.

Night and day 

22 minutes ago, Chelsbear said:

Usually selling for big bucks first though. Losing Costa then bringing in a cheaper player in Greizmann.

Atletico are masters of losing world class players but brining in talent for cheaper who perform at the same level.

Look at their net spend compared to their rivals in Spain.

Night and day 

So do Real Madrid. 

 

Edit: 

Past five years net spend:

Real Madrid - £39m

Atletico Madrid - £1m

 

The two clubs transfer expenditure are roughly equal.

 

Edited May 24, 20188 yr by Total-Football

Sarri wants Napoli trio at Chelsea

If Maurizio Sarri takes over at Chelsea, they’ll also go for Raul Albiol, Elseid Hysaj and Piotr Zielinski, all with release clauses at Napoli.

According to Sportitalia, the tactician’s entourage held a seven-hour meeting with Chelsea today, working out the basics of a two-year deal.

This would include paying the €8m release clause in Sarri’s contract, which is still necessary, despite Napoli firing him yesterday to make way for Carlo Ancelotti.

Sportitalia again added this evening that Sarri has requested three members of the Napoli squad who all have release clauses in their Napoli deals.

They are defender Albiol, full-back Hysaj and Poland international midfielder Zielinski.

Of the three, it’s believed the only one Ancelotti is eager to keep hold of is Zielinski, who has also been a target for Liverpool in recent months.

Kalidou Koulibaly and Jorginho would also be wanted by Sarri, but they do not have release clauses and the Senegalese defender is not for sale.

Jorginho, meanwhile, is in talks for a potential move to Manchester City, as confirmed by his agent.

https://www.football-italia.net/121874/sarri-wants-napoli-trio-chelsea

34 minutes ago, the special one said:

Sarri wants Napoli trio at Chelsea

If Maurizio Sarri takes over at Chelsea, they’ll also go for Raul Albiol, Elseid Hysaj and Piotr Zielinski, all with release clauses at Napoli.

According to Sportitalia, the tactician’s entourage held a seven-hour meeting with Chelsea today, working out the basics of a two-year deal.

This would include paying the €8m release clause in Sarri’s contract, which is still necessary, despite Napoli firing him yesterday to make way for Carlo Ancelotti.

Sportitalia again added this evening that Sarri has requested three members of the Napoli squad who all have release clauses in their Napoli deals.

They are defender Albiol, full-back Hysaj and Poland international midfielder Zielinski.

Of the three, it’s believed the only one Ancelotti is eager to keep hold of is Zielinski, who has also been a target for Liverpool in recent months.

Kalidou Koulibaly and Jorginho would also be wanted by Sarri, but they do not have release clauses and the Senegalese defender is not for sale.

Jorginho, meanwhile, is in talks for a potential move to Manchester City, as confirmed by his agent.

https://www.football-italia.net/121874/sarri-wants-napoli-trio-chelsea

Sounds good to me. That's our window done. RB, CM and CB are all areas we could use immediate improvement at. None of them would block academy/young players except maybe Zouma if you consider him young. CHO and RLC could take up inside forward positions Sarri likes to use. RLC could still play in a 3 with Kante and Cesc or Kante and Zielinski. Albiol would set us up with 5 quality CBs and we may finally be able to displace Moses from the starting lineup every week

40 minutes ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

Sounds good to me. That's our window done. RB, CM and CB are all areas we could use immediate improvement at. None of them would block academy/young players except maybe Zouma if you consider him young. CHO and RLC could take up inside forward positions Sarri likes to use. RLC could still play in a 3 with Kante and Cesc or Kante and Zielinski. Albiol would set us up with 5 quality CBs and we may finally be able to displace Moses from the starting lineup every week

I'm no expert but Albiol and Hysaj I'd be happy with (though I'm not convinced Hysaj is good enough to displace Azpi at RB). Zielinski I'm not personally convinced by, seems a bit sh*t to me. 

Edited May 25, 20188 yr by the special one

1 hour ago, the special one said:

I'm no expert but Albiol and Hysaj I'd be happy with (though I'm not convinced Hysaj is good enough to displace Azpi at RB). Zielinski I'm not personally convinced by, seems a bit sh*t to me. 

I'm not sure Dave plays RB for Sarri. I don't think he is instinctive enough going forward for him. He's Dave so play him anywhere and he's alright but he'd be asked to be a RWB essentially from what I've seen of Sarris tactics

Edited May 25, 20188 yr by TheChelseaBlues

6 hours ago, the special one said:

Sarri wants Napoli trio at Chelsea

New manager wants favourite players from old club is a story as old as time.