The latest player that we are supposedly interested in. I cant really remember him from the World Cup although he played in all Uruguay's games, I hope that's not because he was Anonymous?

anyone know what type of Midfielder he is, a hybrid of Gullit/Kante would be nice.

If he’s a hybrid of Gullit and Kante then he’d be the best midfielder in the world...

Hopefully he’s the end of Bakayoko’s career here anyway.

He's technically gifted. Decent physique as well. Only saw about 5-6 Inter games last season, and he wasn't exactly the one that caught my eye - but he could turn out to be a brilliant signing in Sarri's system. Sky are reporting it as well. Disappointingly, this must mean that the Sergej rumours were false. Drinkwater must be on the move. Maybe Bakayoko as well. 

39 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

If he’s a hybrid of Gullit and Kante then he’d be the best midfielder in the world...

Hopefully he’s the end of Bakayoko’s career here anyway.

I would rather see us get rid of Drinkwater and keep Bakayoko. Although he was alarmingly poor for much of the season I felt he improved slightly towards the end of the season, and as he's only young I think we should keep him for another season.  Sometimes players need at least a season to settle in.

Only way I can see us bringing in another midfielder is if Drinkwater and Bakayoko leave which given the short amount of time left in the window seems unlikely. 

I think we lacked a lot of quality in the midfield last season but we're really overstocked right now. Kante, Jorginho, Fabregas, Barkley, RLC, Drinkwater, Bakayoko... That's 7 players for 3 spots which is probably one too many as it is already, so surely it's got to be two out, one in? 

7 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Only way I can see us bringing in another midfielder is if Drinkwater and Bakayoko leave which given the short amount of time left in the window seems unlikely. 

I think we lacked a lot of quality in the midfield last season but we're really overstocked right now. Kante, Jorginho, Fabregas, Barkley, RLC, Drinkwater, Bakayoko... That's 7 players for 3 spots which is probably one too many as it is already, so surely it's got to be two out, one in? 

I agree, Drinkwater and Fabragas for me. Cesc has been good for us but no longer gives us enough in the shape of creativity, he's also too easily passable for a centre mid, we need someone who gives us more. Bakayoko was desperate for much of last season but should be given another season given his age, and the fact that he improved slightly towards the end of the season imo. Barkley and Ruby both have a point to prove this season.

 

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/11454872/chelsea-in-talks-to-sign-inter-milans-matias-vecino

I think he was pretty good in the World Cup. Nothing too special but a good player. 

Ugh, sure he’s not a bad player but this is exactly the sort of signing i argued in another thread to avoid. We are jam packed with average/decent depth so unless we are signing genuine top stars like Jorginho I don’t see the point. How much better is a squad player from inter going to be compared to cesc, drinkwater, Barkley, RLC etc.

a new winger I can understand to freshen things up but this will just block more English talent and still not take us to they level. We should be like Liverpool in last 12 months, buy the big stars we see making our first 11 better and use our academy for extra depth. Hope this doesn’t happen!

30 minutes ago, Adamrb said:

Ugh, sure he’s not a bad player but this is exactly the sort of signing i argued in another thread to avoid. We are jam packed with average/decent depth so unless we are signing genuine top stars like Jorginho I don’t see the point. How much better is a squad player from inter going to be compared to cesc, drinkwater, Barkley, RLC etc.

a new winger I can understand to freshen things up but this will just block more English talent and still not take us to they level. We should be like Liverpool in last 12 months, buy the big stars we see making our first 11 better and use our academy for extra depth. Hope this doesn’t happen!

Alonso was the same type of signing - and he enjoyed a lot of succes. Sarris knows Vecino from earlier in his coaching career. You'd assume he knows what he's doing. He seems like the cheaper version of SMS.

However, I do agree that we are in need of a new winger. Personally I hope that we sell either Willian or Pedro and Drinkwater. 

From what I've watched he'll be a decent squad player who can play a few spots in midfield but not one who would improve the first team.  He is certainly a wholehearted player who is physical (189cm and 80kg) and knows Sarri's system but he just lacks that touch of quality that the real top players have. He seems to give the ball away a bit too much for me. That said he would be an improvement on Bakayoko and probably Drinkwater

Here is a good analysis on the type of player he is from an Inter twitter feed:

Here are a couple of all touches clips for those interested that give good insight into what he is good at and what he isn't.

 

30 minutes ago, Hanzen said:

 He seems like the cheaper version of  of SMS 

Isn’t this the point though? Why do we want the cheaper and not as good option? Are we no longer trying to win the league? This has been our philosophy for a few seasons and let’s be honest, we now have a large squad with a lot of good but not great players because of it. Hence all of us hoping drinkwater, Baka might be sold. This guy is not even a gamble on a young player, just another body from what I’ve read about him. Didn’t even start for inter in quite a few games.

12 minutes ago, Adamrb said:

Isn’t this the point though? Why do we want the cheaper and not as good option? Are we no longer trying to win the league? This has been our philosophy for a few seasons and let’s be honest, we now have a large squad with a lot of good but not great players because of it. Hence all of us hoping drinkwater, Baka might be sold. This guy is not even a gamble on a young player, just another body from what I’ve read about him. Didn’t even start for inter in quite a few games.

It's not that I don't agree, but the point might be that Vecino could turn out to be just as good as SMS - without costing us something like £100M. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have SMS at the club - but economically it just don't make sense to pay what Lazio are demanding. I'm not saying that Vecino is a worldbeater, but Sarri knows him and his style of play. He does seem a bit like both Bakayoko, Barkley and RLC - but ultimately we have to put trust in our manager. 

As to the Bakayoko and/or Drinkwater transfer situation. Both have been rumoured away for some time, with Bakayoko seemingly turning down loan deals at both Milano clubs. Sevilla have long been mentioned as a follower of him - and with N'Zonzi on the verge of leaving, they could be in for a loan deal as well. Personally I believe that Baka want's to stay here and fight for his chance rather than going away on loan after 12 months at the club.

Drinkwater seems morre determined to leave, wwith a lot of the bottom-half PL-clubs mentioned as possible destinations, according to the media.

But I agree with the context. We should stop buying lotto coupons and start focussing o buying a few young talents, or proven world class players. 

Again, why another so called 'good' player? We may as well play RLC and Barkley if we aren't getting the elite player.

I'm convinced this one will happen.

 

People need to realise it's a long, hard season, masses of games, especially as we're in the EL.

 

Sarri wants 6 midfielders. Jorginho, Kante and Barkley will be his first choice midfield, Fabregas, Vecino and RLC are the back-ups.

 

Vecino is exactly the same player as Matic, except he's right-footed.

 

Drinkwater and Bakayoko are toast.

14 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

I'm convinced this one will happen.

 

People need to realise it's a long, hard season, masses of games, especially as we're in the EL.

 

Sarri wants 6 midfielders. Jorginho, Kante and Barkley will be his first choice midfield, Fabregas, Vecino and RLC are the back-ups.

 

Vecino is exactly the same player as Matic, except he's right-footed.

 

Drinkwater and Bakayoko are toast.

I reckon you're right Davey. Folks are still thinking it's 2006 and we'll add a Ballack or Mikel to our already quality midfield.

Vecino is an honest pro who has Bakayoko's size with Drinkwater's skill level. He'll be a solid if unspectacular replacement for both.

The real upgrades to the midfield will likely come next season when we have Fabregas off contract and have seen what RLC and Barkley have to offer.

2 hours ago, Adamrb said:

Ugh, sure he’s not a bad player but this is exactly the sort of signing i argued in another thread to avoid. We are jam packed with average/decent depth so unless we are signing genuine top stars like Jorginho I don’t see the point. How much better is a squad player from inter going to be compared to cesc, drinkwater, Barkley, RLC etc.

a new winger I can understand to freshen things up but this will just block more English talent and still not take us to they level. We should be like Liverpool in last 12 months, buy the big stars we see making our first 11 better and use our academy for extra depth. Hope this doesn’t happen!

It's not financially viable to buy top midfielders as back ups. You need the so called "average" players to pack out a squad. Average players with potential can turn out to be top quality players in certain systems. I don't get this mindset of expecting only the best players. Very few clubs, if any, have top quality back up players in large numbers, they have maybe one or at most two quality back ups. 

Just now, enigma said:

It's not financially viable to buy top midfielders as back ups. You need the so called "average" players to pack out a squad. Average players with potential can turn out to be top quality players in certain systems. I don't get this mindset of expecting only the best players. Very few clubs, if any, have top quality back up players in large numbers, they have maybe one or at most two quality back ups. 

Spot on.

14 minutes ago, enigma said:

It's not financially viable to buy top midfielders as back ups. You need the so called "average" players to pack out a squad. Average players with potential can turn out to be top quality players in certain systems. I don't get this mindset of expecting only the best players. Very few clubs, if any, have top quality back up players in large numbers, they have maybe one or at most two quality back ups. 

My point is, if we can’t get the top players, why throw money at average when we already have average options RLC Barkley cesc as squad players.

We still spend a lot of money. Save the money until the right players do become available, rather than sign a lot of these 20-30m players. If we trusted our in house talent as squad players then we would have more money for top players.

baka and drinkwater cost £70m ffs. We got Jorginho for less and Liverpool got Keita for less. It’s not to do with not having enough money, it’s about spending it more wisely. 

 

Edited July 31, 20187 yr by Adamrb

52 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

I reckon you're right Davey. Folks are still thinking it's 2006 and we'll add a Ballack or Mikel to our already quality midfield.

 

If we buy Vecino and sell or loan DD and Bakayoko, I'll be very happy with our midfield options. Think those 6 will get us through the season, no problem. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Vecino is the only player we'll add, other than a keeper.

25 minutes ago, Adamrb said:

My point is, if we can’t get the top players, why throw money at average when we already have average options RLC Barkley cesc as squad players.

We still spend a lot of money. Save the money until the right players do become available, rather than sign a lot of these 20-30m players. If we trusted our in house talent as squad players then we would have more money for top players.

baka and drinkwater cost £70m ffs. We got Jorginho for less and Liverpool got Keita for less. It’s not to do with not having enough money, it’s about spending it more wisely. 

 

Exactly, why pay top wages and a hefty transfer fee for average players. May as well bank the money. Packing out the squad for the sake of it is wrong, we need players who can add something when brought in to the game from the bench.

Its going to be hard to get rid of the likes of drinkwater and bakayoko because whos going to pay them the wages we pay them.  both on over 100k a week.

 

 

Edited July 31, 20187 yr by strangebutblue

1 hour ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Again, why another so called 'good' player? We may as well play RLC and Barkley if we aren't getting the elite player.

Because Vecino will be cover for Kante and Jorginho while those two will be playing the more advanced role (if he plays atall in RLC case).

Would be like saying why sign Rugani when we could just play Emerson.

5 hours ago, Osgoodwasgood said:

I would rather see us get rid of Drinkwater and keep Bakayoko. Although he was alarmingly poor for much of the season I felt he improved slightly towards the end of the season, and as he's only young I think we should keep him for another season.  Sometimes players need at least a season to settle in.

Did you see him the other night?

You look at his first game for us and then his latest and you will quickly realise there is no improvement whatsoever

1 hour ago, Adamrb said:

My point is, if we can’t get the top players, why throw money at average when we already have average options RLC Barkley cesc as squad players.

We still spend a lot of money. Save the money until the right players do become available, rather than sign a lot of these 20-30m players. If we trusted our in house talent as squad players then we would have more money for top players.

baka and drinkwater cost £70m ffs. We got Jorginho for less and Liverpool got Keita for less. It’s not to do with not having enough money, it’s about spending it more wisely. 

 

Because we need to have a squad of 22 players. If we only bought players who were valued at £60/70m a pop, we would have half a squad because financially it would be terrible business move, and secondly zero top quality players will come to be back up options. Clubs need to buy cheaper options to fill out a squad. I think some fans' expectations are ludicrously illogical. This isn't some game in which you can spend godly amounts of money and not worry about the consequences, it's real life and a football club is a business also. 

34 minutes ago, enigma said:

Because we need to have a squad of 22 players. If we only bought players who were valued at £60/70m a pop, we would have half a squad because financially it would be terrible business move, and secondly zero top quality players will come to be back up options. Clubs need to buy cheaper options to fill out a squad. I think some fans' expectations are ludicrously illogical. This isn't some game in which you can spend godly amounts of money and not worry about the consequences, it's real life and a football club is a business also. 

I think you’re missing my point. I’m not saying I expect 22 top quality £60-70m players. The handful of £60-70m players wouldn’t be for a back up role, it would be of course to improve our best 11.

I said I don’t think we need this chap because we have enough back up depth already in house (our first team squad is currently sitting at around 30 players already), plus we have players aplenty coming through the ranks to “fill out the squad”.

The reason I mentioned Liverpool is because they have spent big on the top tier players - vvd, Allison, keita etc while also introducing Gomez, Alexander Arnold, Robertson and the likes. And I believe with our incredible academy in place, this should be our philosophy too. It’s the best way to stay competitive and also grow some of our own, which is what we all want isn’t it?

Edited July 31, 20187 yr by Adamrb

Why do we only seem interested in players from Serie A? Does Sarri not know of any players outside of it?