1 hour ago, Argo said:

I don't think that's fair, fans don't have irrational agendas against loan players, they wouldn't be saying this without good reason.

That said I think Dean Smith has been playing him in the 8 instead of the 6 which doesn't suit him atall, even for us he had some horror shows in that position.

I haven't followed him so I don't know  how he has being performing. However, i have never read such negative comments about any player, ever. Perhaps, thats how Norwich supporters express themselves, i dont know.

I still think Norwich was the wrong move from him and we dont see his true potential. 

1 hour ago, ducavis said:

We won’t get a transfer fee; it will go to arbitration, & we will get a fee for developing him.

His deal is up in 2023.

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Probably they had high hopes that Gilmour would keep them stable enough outside of the relegation zone and now that it's not happening he's seen as one of the main disappointments.

But they should have known that Gilmour is a young talent that isn't good when defending and running off the ball, this was their decision and they were too naive. The previous manager didn't even play him, the new one is doing it but clearly their problems are much bigger than Gilmour not been good enough in defense. Part from Pukki I find it hard to see that they have the PL quality overall.

2 hours ago, axman2526 said:

His deal is up in 2023.

My bad

You could argue he’s in almost the perfect place to have a season playing and improving a weaker area of his game which defensively without the ball. 
 

we all know he’s great moving the ball around in a team that controls possession like we do. It’s why he shines every time he plays.

in an ideal situation Norwich would be a little further up the table but it’s unrealistic to get the perfect loan every time. 

10 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Part from Pukki I find it hard to see that they have the PL quality overall.

Watched Arsenal Norwich. Pukki was sh*t.

Gilmour needs to work on defensive positioning alot more if he wants to start for Chelsea in the pivot role, and he can learn that at Norwich.  Keep him there he is getting good minutes.  Being thrashed regularly should help his defensive awareness.

Just can't see him getting in our side any time soon, or even medium term come to that.

We are far more likely to buy the likes of Rice or Tchouameni as long term replacements for Kante and Jorginho. 

10 hours ago, Blueboys said:

You could argue he’s in almost the perfect place to have a season playing and improving a weaker area of his game which defensively without the ball. 
 

we all know he’s great moving the ball around in a team that controls possession like we do. It’s why he shines every time he plays.

in an ideal situation Norwich would be a little further up the table but it’s unrealistic to get the perfect loan every time. 

Some of expressed doubts right from the outset that this was completely the wrong loan move for him. Norwich were always going to struggle in the EPL and Gilmour was not the type of player they needed. You are right about his perceived weak point (defensively without the ball), which is why Jorginho would also have been an epic fail if he was in that team.

1 minute ago, just said:

You are right about his perceived weak point (defensively without the ball), which is why Jorginho would also have been an epic fail if he was in that team.

Jorginho is terrific defensively. Especially without the ball with his world-class positioning. Vulnerable in transitions as we all know but he's fantastic at intercepting among other things.

Jorginho would make that Norwich team so much better. Possibly keep them up if him and Normann were paired together in midfield.

6 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Jorginho is terrific defensively. Especially without the ball with his world-class positioning. Vulnerable in transitions as we all know but he's fantastic at intercepting among other things.

Jorginho would make that Norwich team so much better. Possibly keep them up if him and Normann were paired together in midfield.

I'll compromise to save time Sindre. He is as defensively terrific as David Luiz was.

Just now, just said:

I'll compromise to save time Sindre. He is as defensively terrific as David Luiz was.

Funny how we won the Champions League with a defensive midfielder that can't defend then. And how Italy won the Euros with him there.

He's still ridiculously underrated by some here. To the point were some fools have claimed Gilmour is the better play, believe it or not.

We always like much better with him in the side. That should tell everyone everything they need to know.

 

1 hour ago, Sindre said:

Funny how we won the Champions League with a defensive midfielder that can't defend then. And how Italy won the Euros with him there.

He's still ridiculously underrated by some here. To the point were some fools have claimed Gilmour is the better play, believe it or not.

We always like much better with him in the side. That should tell everyone everything they need to know.

 

Not to mention Italy's stern defense and that's with him as the sole DM infront of a back 4.

There's this misconception with defending that it has to be all action aggressive and getting stuck in, it's what led many to believe things like Scott McTominay was potentially world class, defenders like Vidic were better than one's like Thiago and that Wan Bissaka was the best out of England's young RB's.

Regarding Gilmour, someone who's opinion I trust and is usually spot on has always sternly held the view that Lewis Bate was the better prospect (even after the Liverpool/Everton games he didn't budge) and I'm starting to worry he may be ahead of the curve again.

2 hours ago, Argo said:

Regarding Gilmour, someone who's opinion I trust and is usually spot on has always sternly held the view that Lewis Bate was the better prospect (even after the Liverpool/Everton games he didn't budge) and I'm starting to worry he may be ahead of the curve again.

Lewis Bate can't even get in the Leeds team and is still stuck in the U23s. Be careful who you trust LOL

Just now, Sexyfootball said:

Lewis Bate can't even get in the Leeds team and is still stuck in the U23s. Be careful who you trust LOL

Teams tend to do that early on with young signings, Lamptey couldn't even get on the Brighton bench for a while and it took a while for Mount to break into the Vittese side.

He tends to call a lot of things right, few major examples of the top of my head he wrote off Ruben's chances of being a major first team player at 17 for the exact same flaws we're all pointing out now, called James as our best prospect when most thought he wasn't even the best RB prospect and called Torres flopping before he even signed.

1 minute ago, Argo said:

Teams tend to do that early on with young signings, Lamptey couldn't even get on the Brighton bench for a while and it took a while for Mount to break into the Vittese side.

He tends to call a lot of things right, few major examples of the top of my head he wrote off Ruben's chances of being a major first team player at 17 for the exact same flaws we're all pointing out now, called James as our best prospect when most thought he wasn't even the best RB prospect and called Torres flopping before he even signed.

I'm merely thinking of the contrast to say Livramento, who similarly baled out from us, and is already making his mark in the PL with Southampton, and is the same age group as Bate.

Leeds U-23s, who Bate has featured for in 14 out of 15 games, are 2nd bottom of PL2 ...

Even with Leeds struggling for players recently, he clearly hadn't done enough to get into Bielsa's thinking for the first team squad ... 

3 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

I'm merely thinking of the contrast to say Livramento, who similarly baled out from us, and is already making his mark in the PL with Southampton, and is the same age group as Bate.

Leeds U-23s, who Bate has featured for in 14 out of 15 games, are 2nd bottom of PL2 ...

Even with Leeds struggling for players recently, he clearly hadn't done enough to get into Bielsa's thinking for the first team squad ... 

Fair enough (although I asked a Leeds fan on reddit and he says he's been very good despite that), goes without saying I hope this is one of the few times he cocked up.

How is Billy doing today?

1 minute ago, axman2526 said:

How is Billy doing today?

He is their best player, whole team is diabolical though

16 minutes ago, ducavis said:

He is their best player, whole team is diabolical though

Well to be fair you don't let in 7 against us with the chances we miss without being out of your depth.

5 hours ago, Sindre said:

Funny how we won the Champions League with a defensive midfielder that can't defend then. And how Italy won the Euros with him there.

He's still ridiculously underrated by some here. To the point were some fools have claimed Gilmour is the better play, believe it or not.

We always like much better with him in the side. That should tell everyone everything they need to know.

 

I already exposed this false argument in regards to Gilmour being compared to Jorginho. Jorginho managed to do well in every team he played, he was decent in Verona, good in Napoli and world class for us and Italy. To say that he would struggle would be a wild guess as it ignores his whole career path.

And yes, he has been one of the best when it comes to interceptions and passes into the final third, so there is nothing to suggest that he would be a fail in another team, I imagine nobody can dare to say that in regards to other top players because then it would be pretty obvious that it's just about being a hater. "De Bruyne and Salah would struggle in Norwich too" is the type of thing you just don't hear.

7 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

I already exposed this false argument in regards to Gilmour being compared to Jorginho. Jorginho managed to do well in every team he played, he was decent in Verona, good in Napoli and world class for us and Italy. To say that he would struggle would be a wild guess as it ignores his whole career path.

Players of his ilk are always underappreciated (and Gilmour will be included in that if he furfills his potential).

It was the same story with Pirlo until he gave the nation's darling Gerrard and "proper midfielder" Scott Parker a lesson they'll never forget in Euro 2012.

Video circulating of Norwich fans signing f**k off back to Chelsea to him 

 

Edited December 28, 20214 yr by We Hate Scouse

3 minutes ago, We Hate Scouse said:

Video circulating of Norwich fans signing f**k off back to Chelsea to him 

Well they clearly love him then

12 minutes ago, We Hate Scouse said:

Video circulating of Norwich fans signing f**k off back to Chelsea to him 

 

Poor performances or not. That shouldn't really be accepted and at this point you'd have to think about bringing him back to Cobham so he at least can train with top players and top manager and then learn from that.

Obviously turned into an easy scapegoat there despite the fact that there are much worse players in that team and squad.

13 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Poor performances or not. That shouldn't really be accepted and at this point you'd have to think about bringing him back to Cobham so he at least can train with top players and top manager and then learn from that.

Obviously turned into an easy scapegoat there despite the fact that there are much worse players in that team and squad.

Only they can send him back, we cannot recall as he has made the number of appearances needed to not allow us to bring him back.