15 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Was he really though? Made 3 key passes joint most along with Watkins & McGinn. He is working with no real quality upfront to be fair

Would be screwed here then if he needs quality up front 🙂

Turning into a bit of a scapegoat at Norwich it seems.

Bit of a disasterous loan unless he can turn his fortunes around. Personally I can't really so where he's going to fit in at this club anytime soon either. Either he'll have to become a better and much more creative passer and fill that creativity gap for us or he somehow needs to become good enough defensively to fill Jorginho's role after him but as of right now he's very poor defensively so that will take a lot of developing too.

Haven't liked this loan move since day one. 

I think Gilmour would have benefited more from playing in a Championship side chasing promotion over a team that was always going to be a relegation contender. 

All you can hope is that despite playing in a side that will be relegated he might benefit enough from just playing regular football regardless of performances like RLC did last season with Fulham. 

Caught some of the game and didn't think he was worse than others. His lack of strength was exposed for the final goal, but he had some nice moments.

I do agree though @Sindre I am really not sure where he fits with us. He is not strong enough defensively to play in a midfield two at the minute and he probably lacks the yard of pace to play further forward. He feels to me like a midfielder you have to build your team around rather than one to slot in and play a role. I'd suggest he is likely behind Gallagher at the moment for who steps up for us in midfield next year. Different players of course but Gallagher probably a better fit for our squad ATM.

Its tricky, I watched Gallagher a bit while he was with WBA and though he worked hard he was running around like a headless chicken.

At Palace he is supporting the front men and now looking more than decent.

I agree like Mount, Billy might have been better in a more progressive championship side.

 

 

3 hours ago, ducavis said:

Was he really though? Made 3 key passes joint most along with Watkins & McGinn. He is working with no real quality upfront to be fair

I watched the game for 30 minutes in the first half. He lost the ball 2-3 times in a position where you don't lose it. Jorginho gets murdered by Chelsea fans when he does it. He also misplaced 2-3 passes as I recall it.

Why it is important his position and role in the team is crucial. This is exactly why young players rarely get the chance. Billy is responsible for making the play and stopping the play. Losing the ball in an awkward situation is easily turned into your team conceding a goal.

Not sure but I believe he was stripped off the ball that led to Villa scoring their first goal. That is crucial in winning or losing a game. 

It would help him playing with better players naturally but that isn't the case in Norwich. He needs to adapt and make him a player that wins rather than loses your side the game. 

I might sound too harsh on Billy but this is why he isn't in our squad currently. If TT was able to rely on him he would be there instead of Ruben for example.

He has time on his side. Will be a great player for us or some other team as he progresses.

Ok, bear with me a little here, as I'm not trying to talk through the merits, or lack thereof, of him going to Norwich on loan.  I think the new manager is playing him more often, so that's good; and I'll leave it at that.

However, if I take my blue-tinted, Scottish glasses off for a minute and think in as neutral a mindset as I can have, I don't think we will ever see Billy back at Chelsea.  I don't want that to happen obviously, as one of the reasons I followed Chelsea back in the early 90's was due to the Scottish players we had back then, and I'd love to have a full time member of op.

"But what makes you think this, Scott? Surely we need depth in our midfield!"  Thank you for the question, and I agree with your sentiment here; however, we seem to favour a midfield 2 under TT, which limits chances for Billy.  If we ever switched more to a 4-2-3-1, or even a 4-3-3 I could see it, but the 3-4-3 formation with wingbacks making up 2 of the middle 4, I'm not sure that favours Billy's chances.  

I will also admit that my feelings on this also depend on another couple of factors outside of formational preferences: 1) That everyone we currently have fighting for one of the two midfield spots returns next season, 2) that there is weight behind some of the rumours out there suggesting we are looking at midfielders like Rice, Tchouameni, and even Casimero are all being linked with us.  I get it, different players, different positions, etc; but that's starting to look like a lot of players vying for few spots, and 3) the absolutely amazing-to-see emergence of Conor Gallagher as a top footballer who we can recall next season.

I've tried to watch as many Norwich games as I can, and obviously I'm waiting for the inevitable gut-wrench of Scotland failing to qualify for the WC, so I've seen him play for his NT a lot.  He's a good wee footballer, maybe a little lightweight (not that big a concern for me), and he was put in numerous MotM performances for Chelsea, Norwich, and Scotland.  There is a good player in there, I'm just not sure it's good enough to warrant guaranteed first team football at Chelsea next season, especially if we add players.  I can see him maybe going on loan again, or possibly signing on with another team under the promise of more regular first team football.

Think Norwich would be better served to play him as their creator, number 10, with 2 6s behind him. Let him thread the ball for Pukki to finish.

2 hours ago, mad_mac said:

Ok, bear with me a little here, as I'm not trying to talk through the merits, or lack thereof, of him going to Norwich on loan.  I think the new manager is playing him more often, so that's good; and I'll leave it at that.

However, if I take my blue-tinted, Scottish glasses off for a minute and think in as neutral a mindset as I can have, I don't think we will ever see Billy back at Chelsea.  I don't want that to happen obviously, as one of the reasons I followed Chelsea back in the early 90's was due to the Scottish players we had back then, and I'd love to have a full time member of op.

"But what makes you think this, Scott? Surely we need depth in our midfield!"  Thank you for the question, and I agree with your sentiment here; however, we seem to favour a midfield 2 under TT, which limits chances for Billy.  If we ever switched more to a 4-2-3-1, or even a 4-3-3 I could see it, but the 3-4-3 formation with wingbacks making up 2 of the middle 4, I'm not sure that favours Billy's chances.  

I will also admit that my feelings on this also depend on another couple of factors outside of formational preferences: 1) That everyone we currently have fighting for one of the two midfield spots returns next season, 2) that there is weight behind some of the rumours out there suggesting we are looking at midfielders like Rice, Tchouameni, and even Casimero are all being linked with us.  I get it, different players, different positions, etc; but that's starting to look like a lot of players vying for few spots, and 3) the absolutely amazing-to-see emergence of Conor Gallagher as a top footballer who we can recall next season.

I've tried to watch as many Norwich games as I can, and obviously I'm waiting for the inevitable gut-wrench of Scotland failing to qualify for the WC, so I've seen him play for his NT a lot.  He's a good wee footballer, maybe a little lightweight (not that big a concern for me), and he was put in numerous MotM performances for Chelsea, Norwich, and Scotland.  There is a good player in there, I'm just not sure it's good enough to warrant guaranteed first team football at Chelsea next season, especially if we add players.  I can see him maybe going on loan again, or possibly signing on with another team under the promise of more regular first team football.

The sooner we switch to a 4-3-3 the better it will be for the majority of our players, including Billy. I think it's unavoidable, we are going to lose some defenders that love playing in the back 3 and then we should be free from that system automatically. That's of course assuming that Rudiger/Christensen will leave. There is a place for both Gilmour and Gallagher, specially since next season Kante and Jorginho will be 31 and Saul won't be in the mix, also if we want to sell Barkley we should be doing it before the next season starts.

40 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

The sooner we switch to a 4-3-3 the better it will be for the majority of our players, including Billy. I think it's unavoidable, we are going to lose some defenders that love playing in the back 3 and then we should be free from that system automatically. That's of course assuming that Rudiger/Christensen will leave. There is a place for both Gilmour and Gallagher, specially since next season Kante and Jorginho will be 31 and Saul won't be in the mix, also if we want to sell Barkley we should be doing it before the next season starts.

I definitely don't see Barkley or Saul in our squad next season, so I think we can count them out.  I also stated that my opinion about Billy not making it at Chelsea is predicated on ALL of our current midfielders coming back again next season.  

So, if we think of the current squad we have: Jorginho, Kovacic, Barkley, Kante, RLC, and even Mount. I've not included academy or Saul in there.  But that's 6 players for two spots (again, I know Mount is more forward). Now, lets assume it's next season and maybe J5 has gone to Italy, and we decide to sell Kante, there are obvious gaps that need filled, and Billy "could" be one of the players to be brough back, just as Gallagher could also be.  However, the rumours of Tchouameni, Rice, Casimero to name but a few, make me feel we will buy to replace them rather than give Billy and Conor first crack.

Again, this is all conjecture and hypothesizing, and maybe I'm being pessimistic because I don't want to get my hopes up.  But I'd be willing to bet that Billy will not be part of the Chelsea squad next season.

This is how illness turns from "a day or two indoors covered with a blanket" to "in hospital with pneumonia" . If we can recall him, we need to, Norwich is clearly not a good place for him to be.

Just read a 34 post thread on the Norwich fan forum on how terrible he is so it's not looking great. Recall in Jan and give Saul back to Atletico

35 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Just read a 34 post thread on the Norwich fan forum on how terrible he is so it's not looking great. Recall in Jan and give Saul back to Atletico

Meh, we have a 340 page thread on how sh*t Jorginho is.

1 hour ago, Drogba1 said:

Just read a 34 post thread on the Norwich fan forum on how terrible he is so it's not looking great. Recall in Jan and give Saul back to Atletico

Quite simply the wrong move for him. Was never the type of player you want playing for a relegation team. You could see it from day one.

https://forum.pinkun.com/index.php?/topic/145943-billy-gilmour/

A couple of posters adknowledged he'd look better with better quality teammates but my god i think the last time i saw such brutal reviews for any of our loanee's was Van Aanholt and Bruma at Leicester 10 years ago.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

https://forum.pinkun.com/index.php?/topic/145943-billy-gilmour/

A couple of posters adknowledged he'd look better with better quality teammates but my god i think the last time i saw such brutal reviews for any of our loanee's was Van Aanholt and Bruma at Leicester 10 years ago.

Wow i am shocked by those comments. If possible we need to recall him asap and never deal with Norwich again. 

I am confused why he didn't go through the same route as Mount, Broja and go to Vitesse would have being a better move. 

5 hours ago, Argo said:

https://forum.pinkun.com/index.php?/topic/145943-billy-gilmour/

A couple of posters adknowledged he'd look better with better quality teammates but my god i think the last time i saw such brutal reviews for any of our loanee's was Van Aanholt and Bruma at Leicester 10 years ago.

Armando Broja is playing with far cr@per players right @Munkworth ? and he is looking great so not really an excuse for Billy is it? Lol

Seriously only Norwich can cut his loan short as he has played too much to allow us to make that call. 

It is concerning he has been really poor there. I expect better of him. Ok he can only work with what's around him but he needs to have been better than what he has been.

Hopefully Norwich send him back and we can find a better solution for him. Cause if the Norwich fans are thinking this in mass then is not a good sign at all.

4 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Armando Broja is playing with far cr@per players right @Munkworth ? and he is looking great so not really an excuse for Billy is it? Lol

Seriously only Norwich can cut his loan short as he has played too much to allow us to make that call. 

It is concerning he has been really poor there. I expect better of him. Ok he can only work with what's around him but he needs to have been better than what he has been.

Hopefully Norwich send him back and we can find a better solution for him. Cause if the Norwich fans are thinking this in mass then is not a good sign at all.

What good players do Norwich have? Pukki is the only have decent player they have. Off my head Southampton have Ward Prowse, Redmond, Salisu, Livramento & Walker Peters. The reality is he is their 2nd-3rd best player by a mile. 

I think they expected a player who will dribble a couple of players, and smack one in the top corner. He is certainly not that player. His metrics are actually high if you look at his performances;  he is making 2 key passes per game and attempting 9 long balls per game. Not his fault if they have no quality to take advantage of that. In comparison, Jorginho playing with much better is averaging 1 key pass per game, and 4 long balls per game. He isn’t a problem, and will be better off at the end of the season with solid game time behind him.

5 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Armando Broja is playing with far cr@per players right @Munkworth ? and he is looking great so not really an excuse for Billy is it? Lol

Wrong team or not. He's not impressed and he's likely further from our team now then he left due to Gallaghers and to a lesser extent Loftus Cheeks emergence.

If i were to guess I think a step down to the Championship is likely for him next season. Then how he performs there will possibly decide his future here.

23 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Wrong team or not. He's not impressed and he's likely further from our team now then he left due to Gallaghers and to a lesser extent Loftus Cheeks emergence.

If i were to guess I think a step down to the Championship is likely for him next season. Then how he performs there will possibly decide his future here.

Tricky; contract expires next summer. I reckon he might need some assurances regarding his role before signing a new one. Personally think even if he develops into a solid backup long term we would have saved some money we would normally waste on buying dross. Players in his role are usually late bloomers (eg. Pirlo, Jorginho), so he is ahead of the curve for me.

33 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Wrong team or not. He's not impressed and he's likely further from our team now then he left due to Gallaghers and to a lesser extent Loftus Cheeks emergence.

If i were to guess I think a step down to the Championship is likely for him next season. Then how he performs there will possibly decide his future here.

I'd keep both Gilmour and Gallagher next season and find them game time to give them an opportunity to demonstrate if they have a future at this level. I'd let Cheek go. He has had that opportunity and come up short too many times 

If his contract is up next season will be interesting to see what happens on the summer with him. May well be he gets sold with a buy back like Tino.

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

If his contract is up next season will be interesting to see what happens on the summer with him. May well be he gets sold with a buy back like Tino.

We won’t get a transfer fee; it will go to arbitration, & we will get a fee for developing him.

16 hours ago, Gentian said:

Wow i am shocked by those comments. If possible we need to recall him asap and never deal with Norwich again. 

I am confused why he didn't go through the same route as Mount, Broja and go to Vitesse would have being a better move. 

I don't think that's fair, fans don't have irrational agendas against loan players, they wouldn't be saying this without good reason.

That said I think Dean Smith has been playing him in the 8 instead of the 6 which doesn't suit him atall, even for us he had some horror shows in that position.