2 hours ago, Remodez said:

If our other attackers could play as badly and still get an assist or a goal we would be in a much better position. I'm not going to get his back too much about the open goal, it happens.

It happens with Sterling more than any other player in the sport though. There are compilations of him doing it.

On 31/03/2024 at 17:12, Scott Harris said:

It happens with Sterling more than any other player in the sport though. There are compilations of him doing it.

Have we questioned why he's getting into these positions to score and others are not? Sterling has always been known for missing chances but he's also known for scoring goals because he's positionally better than all of our attacking options. For every 3 or 4 chances he misses he's going to score and why isn't Mudryk, Noni and others making these runs to get in and score? It's because at the moment they are one dimensional and do the same thing over and over again, off the ball they are both no where near good enough for this level right now.

If Poch wants to save his job he should be starting Sterling until the end of the season in hope that every 3 or 4 chances he misses he then scores or assists because he's more capable than the others to do it consistently and he finds him self in big chance situations. If he's sacked then another manager comes in and Sterling stays then the same thing is going to happen and he will start because managers look for more than just a few silky touches and mazey runs to make it at this level.

Edited April 2, 20242 yr by Sheva

I looked on transfer market yesterday and it says 13 goals or assists in 26 matches. 

He definitely is missing chances yet also providing assists so not sure whether he should start or be a bench option. 

1 hour ago, strider6004 said:

I looked on transfer market yesterday and it says 13 goals or assists in 26 matches. 

He definitely is missing chances yet also providing assists so not sure whether he should start or be a bench option. 

£350,000/ week.  Sold. 

On 02/04/2024 at 11:40, Sheva said:

Have we questioned why he's getting into these positions to score and others are not? Sterling has always been known for missing chances but he's also known for scoring goals because he's positionally better than all of our attacking options. For every 3 or 4 chances he misses he's going to score and why isn't Mudryk, Noni and others making these runs to get in and score? It's because at the moment they are one dimensional and do the same thing over and over again, off the ball they are both no where near good enough for this level right now.

If Poch wants to save his job he should be starting Sterling until the end of the season in hope that every 3 or 4 chances he misses he then scores or assists because he's more capable than the others to do it consistently and he finds him self in big chance situations. If he's sacked then another manager comes in and Sterling stays then the same thing is going to happen and he will start because managers look for more than just a few silky touches and mazey runs to make it at this level.

Obviously because they have had nowhere near the same amount of time on the pitch as Sterling!!

Blimey!!

On 02/04/2024 at 11:40, Sheva said:

Have we questioned why he's getting into these positions to score and others are not? Sterling has always been known for missing chances but he's also known for scoring goals because he's positionally better than all of our attacking options. For every 3 or 4 chances he misses he's going to score and why isn't Mudryk, Noni and others making these runs to get in and score? It's because at the moment they are one dimensional and do the same thing over and over again, off the ball they are both no where near good enough for this level right now.

If Poch wants to save his job he should be starting Sterling until the end of the season in hope that every 3 or 4 chances he misses he then scores or assists because he's more capable than the others to do it consistently and he finds him self in big chance situations. If he's sacked then another manager comes in and Sterling stays then the same thing is going to happen and he will start because managers look for more than just a few silky touches and mazey runs to make it at this level.

Sterling doesn't even make the top ten of Big Chances missed

 

The reason why most of these guys are also top of the goal scoring pops is that they continually keep getting themselves into positions to have opportunities to score.

You have to keep going to the well if you want to drink ... even if the well is more often than not dry !

 

On 31/03/2024 at 09:56, ducavis said:

That is the story of his career though; If Boehly/Tuchel were looking for a game changer he isn’t that player. For the wages he is on he needs to putting up Salah/Saka/Son numbers; 20+ contributions (G+A) which he is never going to put up. He is a 10+ (G+A) player.

Sterling's overall Premier League record is 374 games, 121 goals, 87 assists.

In a 38 game season it equates fairly neatly as 21 g + a combined.

Stats courtesy of Transfermarkt.

56 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Sterling doesn't even make the top ten of Big Chances missed

 

The reason why most of these guys are also top of the goal scoring pops is that they continually keep getting themselves into positions to have opportunities to score.

You have to keep going to the well if you want to drink ... even if the well is more often than not dry !

 

you also have to consider that he messes up about 8 promising attacks every game, runs into a crowd of players looses the ball or falls over, then just stands/sits there and doesn't try to get the ball back..and makes about 2 good passes every 10 games.. 🙄

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

Sterling doesn't even make the top ten of Big Chances missed

 

The reason why most of these guys are also top of the goal scoring pops is that they continually keep getting themselves into positions to have opportunities to score.

You have to keep going to the well if you want to drink ... even if the well is more often than not dry !

 

Any stats on Smiles per Big Chances missed? He'll be top of that one.

2 hours ago, just said:

Obviously because they have had nowhere near the same amount of time on the pitch as Sterling!!

Blimey!!

Well why do you think the manager is not playing them consistently then. If they were good enough they would start every game like Palmer.

I hope Noni and Mudryk come good but they don't offer more of a threat than Sterling at this moment in time even though he misses big chances.

You can moan as much as you want but if Poch was sacked and another manager comes in then the same thing is going to happen, he'll start because managers rate him.

With Mudryk's recent improvement there is no excuse to keep starting Sterling until the end of the season. 

By all means, if Poch wants to save his job and see more performances like Sterling against Newcastle, go for it. 

 

3 hours ago, Sheva said:

Well why do you think the manager is not playing them consistently then. If they were good enough they would start every game like Palmer.

I hope Noni and Mudryk come good but they don't offer more of a threat than Sterling at this moment in time even though he misses big chances.

You can moan as much as you want but if Poch was sacked and another manager comes in then the same thing is going to happen, he'll start because managers rate him.

But that is one of the main reasons coaches end up getting sacked. Results aren't great, but they insist on keep playing certain players due to past reputation and status. Poch isn't alone, but if he carries on starting Sterling in games, I have no sympathy for him when he inevitably gets the boot and likewise for whoever replaces him, although with any luck, we will offload Sterling before next season.

 

 

29 minutes ago, Nibs said:

But that is one of the main reasons coaches end up getting sacked. Results aren't great, but they insist on keep playing certain players due to past reputation and status. Poch isn't alone, but if he carries on starting Sterling in games, I have no sympathy for him when he inevitably gets the boot and likewise for whoever replaces him, although with any luck, we will offload Sterling before next season.

But we barely have any players with reputation and status and we're still bad. Sterling or Silva didn't start against Burnley and we're still poor? We're poor because we are useless off the ball and all our offensive players don't press and put any effort into for recoveries. Watching City was night and day last night in terms of effort and even when they are 4 up they still have the same amount of desire and effort to win the ball back. Sterling has been below par in that regard but so has Palmer, Noni and Mudryk.

Is that the manager? Maybe but he's shown in the past he can coach a well drilled hard working team so what's different. Here's a thought, the players especially the younger ones don't have it in them or they don't know how to carry out the instructions of the manager so he doesn't start them. He even eluded it in his press conference that the team is sensitive when accepting instructions.

In an ideal world a Mudryk or Noni eases into a team full of experienced players who can help them understand but the ownership didn't want that.

So yeah we can drop and sell Sterling and our problem will still exist until these players mature or get a coach who micromanages every bit of play for them. If Mourinho or Conte walked through the door tomorrow some of them wouldn't last 45 minutes.

 

6 minutes ago, Sheva said:

Is that the manager? Maybe but he's shown in the past he can coach a well drilled hard working team so what's different? Here's a thought, the players especially the younger ones don't have it in them or they don't know how to carry out the instructions of the manager so he doesn't start them. He even eluded it in his press conference that the team is sensitive when accepting instructions.

The Premier League.

46 minutes ago, Sheva said:

But we barely have any players with reputation and status and we're still bad. Sterling or Silva didn't start against Burnley and we're still poor? We're poor because we are useless off the ball and all our offensive players don't press and put any effort into for recoveries. Watching City was night and day last night in terms of effort and even when they are 4 up they still have the same amount of desire and effort to win the ball back. Sterling has been below par in that regard but so has Palmer, Noni and Mudryk.

Is that the manager? Maybe but he's shown in the past he can coach a well drilled hard working team so what's different. Here's a thought, the players especially the younger ones don't have it in them or they don't know how to carry out the instructions of the manager so he doesn't start them. He even eluded it in his press conference that the team is sensitive when accepting instructions.

In an ideal world a Mudryk or Noni eases into a team full of experienced players who can help them understand but the ownership didn't want that.

So yeah we can drop and sell Sterling and our problem will still exist until these players mature or get a coach who micromanages every bit of play for them. If Mourinho or Conte walked through the door tomorrow some of them wouldn't last 45 minutes.

 

Can't disagree with any of that - especially that last bit.

It is just so frustrating that at times, we have looked really good this season, but those few times are far outweighed by many poor performances and even allowing for the injuries, it's just unacceptable.

And I still maintain that despite some of the stats, we are a better team when Sterling doesn't start. Give Noni and Mudryk more game time as there have been signs both can deliver but it's hard if you get dropped as often as they both have been. If they have a bad game, sub them and give them a bollocking but don't then leave them in the wilderness for the next few weeks so they lose all momentum.

 

Edited April 4, 20242 yr by Nibs

20 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The Premier League.

We're not talking 20 years or so here.

The managers are similar and the quality of players are the same and his Spurs team was often a thorn in Peps side. They were known for their high energetic pressing.

Just now, Sheva said:

We're not talking 20 years or so here.

The managers are similar and the quality of players are the same and his Spurs team was often a thorn in Peps side. They were known for their high energetic pressing.

The league is completely different than what it was to even 2018. The Premier League has been evolving every season since Poch has left. Teams like Villa, Newcastle, Brighton, and West Ham have improved tremendously in terms of management and scouting. Teams in the top half and even the bottom half have implemented better coaching methods to adapt to new level of competitiveness in the league, employing more and more managers with proactive game management. 

Poch is a dinosaur. Ole Solksjaer was also a pain in Pep's arse. 

 

2 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The league is completely different than what it was to even 2018. The Premier League has been evolving every season since Poch has left. Teams like Villa, Newcastle, Brighton, and West Ham have improved tremendously in terms of management and scouting. Teams in the top half and even the bottom half have implemented better coaching methods to adapt to new level of competitiveness in the league, employing more and more managers with proactive game management. 

Poch is a dinosaur. Ole Solksjaer was also a pain in Pep's arse. 

 

Unai Emery, Eddie Howe, David Moyes and De Zerbi.

That's 3 out of 4 that were managing in the premier league during that time if im not mistaken and are all at the clubs you've mentioned.

29 minutes ago, Sheva said:

Unai Emery, Eddie Howe, David Moyes and De Zerbi.

That's 3 out of 4 that were managing in the premier league during that time if im not mistaken and are all at the clubs you've mentioned.

You're banging your head against a brick wall with some of the posters on here LOL.

42 minutes ago, Sheva said:

Unai Emery, Eddie Howe, David Moyes and De Zerbi.

That's 3 out of 4 that were managing in the premier league during that time if im not mistaken and are all at the clubs you've mentioned.

Yup, and each of those managers have since been at clubs that have improved as a whole, in terms of scouting and overall coaching. The past 5 years almost every club has seen an introduction or improvement in vast backroom teams, coaching and advanced data analysis. This isn't subject to those mentioned, almost every club in the league has seen an improvement in this area.

What's important right now is the managers ability to extract performances in an ever evolving league, and to make those big calls under increased pressure. 

 

 

16 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Yup, and each of those managers have since been at clubs that have improved as a whole, in terms of scouting and overall coaching. The past 5 years almost every club has seen an introduction or improvement in vast backroom teams, coaching and advanced data analysis. This isn't subject to those mentioned, almost every club in the league has seen an improvement in this area.

What's important right now is the managers ability to extract performances in an ever evolving league, and to make those big calls under increased pressure.

We're only 5 points away from the teams you've mentioned apart from Villa and none of those teams have had the level of squad departures and incomings. We also have 2 games in hand on most of them.

It's not good enough for us because of our statue but those teams haven't been ripped apart in personal like ours.

Totally understand people not rating Poch but he's not the fundamental problem.

The owners were naive in their thinking.

12 minutes ago, Sheva said:

We're only 5 points away from the teams you've mentioned apart from Villa and none of those teams have had the level of squad departures and incomings. We also have 2 games in hand on most of them.

It's not good enough for us because of our statue but those teams haven't been ripped apart in personal like ours.

Totally understand people not rating Poch but he's not the fundamental problem.

The owners were naive in their thinking.

Brighton have literally been stripped of their best players and have had a worse injury crises than us. Newcastle too. Both had to manage Europe as well. Bournemouth haven't won their first 10 matches of the season and are ahead of us. The two games in hand you speak of are Arsenal and Spurs. Not seeing anything out of that. 

I've always been adamant, and still am, in giving Poch the rest of the season to turn it around, but from my perspective I can't see him doing it.  

 

Edited April 4, 20242 yr by Sconnie Blue

Just now, Sconnie Blue said:

Brighton have literally been stripped of their best players and have had a worse injury crises than us. Newcastle as well. Bournemouth haven't won their first 10 matches of the season and are ahead of us. The two games in hand you speak of are Arsenal and Spurs. Not seeing anything out of that. 

I've always been adamant, and still am, in giving Poch the rest of the season to turn it around, but from my perspective I can't see him doing it. 

Do those teams have players that who have been at their respective clubs for a good few years? There's a core still there from previous managements.

Look at the side we played against Burnley, none of them featured during Roman era and only 2 were playing under Tuchels last few games. It's only 3 years and that squad turnover is insane.

Its fair enough if you don't rate poch and I think he could be doing better also but he's got one hell of a job on his hands because in my opinion he's been set up to fail just like the next manager who joins.

 

Just now, Sheva said:

Do those teams have players that who have been at their respective clubs for a good few years? There's a core still there from previous managements.

Look at the side we played against Burnley, none of them featured during Roman era and only 2 were playing under Tuchels last few games. It's only 3 years and that squad turnover is insane.

Its fair enough if you don't rate poch and I think he could be doing better also but he's got one hell of a job on his hands because in my opinion he's been set up to fail just like the next manager who joins.

 

Burnley didn't have Fofana, their best striker who's been there for only a couple months, and scored 2 goals whilst being down a man for 70 minutes. 

We may have our shortcomings but we shouldn't pretend we are the only affected team in the league. 

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Burnley didn't have Fofana, their best striker who's been there for only a couple months, and scored 2 goals whilst being down a man for 70 minutes. 

We may have our shortcomings but we shouldn't pretend we are the only affected team in the league. 

Oh we are not but I think this young group can't cope with the expectations of being thrown into a huge club as a collective. The manager is likely the voice of everything going on in the dressing room because he barely has a senior pros to go off.

It's always telling when you see extra time talks especially against Liverpool when its Van Dijk giving out the talk and its Poch for us.

He should be doing better but better for us is not 4th. It's likely 8th.