After watching this video I've come to realize that there are very few differences between Tuchel and Potter in terms of tactical management and playstyle. Maybe, just maybe, Potter was carefully chosen given it would be an easy transition with the players and the fact he has qualities that deem long term?

 

14 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I'm on the opposite end. 

Think back then revolved more on individual ability whereas today has a focus on systems. 

Absolutely. Everyone is a better athlete, everything is more professional and serious. The more money has flown in, the competition is much more fierce. Science is a big part of it as well. Many teams are led with data as well. There is no space of too much individual risktaking. I agree all this can make the game a bit boring.

51 minutes ago, evissy said:

Absolutely. Everyone is a better athlete, everything is more professional and serious. The more money has flown in, the competition is much more fierce. Science is a big part of it as well. Many teams are led with data as well. There is no space of too much individual risktaking. I agree all this can make the game a bit boring.

I think management is simply better. Just look at football now vs back in the 2000s. It's all well synced and cohesive in terms of patterns of play and off the ball press. Back then, it was hard on the eye but individual quality stood out. 

We won the Champions League 2021 comfortably yet I find it difficult to find anyone from that starting XI that get's into our mid 2000s XI. 

Kante vs peak Essien is tough and no matter how great Silva is Carvalho was the mainstay of that backline. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj6EhIHzghM&feature=share&si=ELPmzJkDCLju2KnD5oyZMQ

So long as more than 2 players are in the box when we are attacking the final third I will be happy...

Ppl see these guys playing 5 at the back which isn't true. It's 3 at the back with 2 wing backs a wing back is an attacker and a defender, a box to box midfielder if you will. Potter plays a 352 which Is actually a very attacking formation when played correctly. When attacking you generally have your middle CB staying back, while the left and right CB move into midfield allowing the CDMs to push forward which in turn over overloads the midfield pushes the opposition back giving them no space at all, TT problem was he couldn't break through there was no fluidity up top no finesse, he resorted to crossing with sterling in the middle.

2 hours ago, BS66 said:

All the extenuating circumstances in the world are no excuse for the sideways, backwards passing routines Tuchel employed. He allowed defences to reset too easily and the parked buses became a routine he didn’t have an answer for.

I used to go to the Bridge 40 years ago when only 10,000 of us showed up to support a team challenging for relegation to division 3 and even that footy was more exciting to watch! There is NO reason why more highly paid, supposedly more highly skilled professionals shouldn’t play a more progressive and expansive style of football. 

I respect your opinion. 

There is no question we had issues from December until now. But what i'm trying to say is that as long as Tuchel had a settled squad and his best players available we barely had any problems to think about at all. Including against so called parked buses. Which is why we also won the Champions League and also why we were top of the league when all our problems seemed to appear at once.

What happens to Potter when he inevitably runs into challenges and we struggle? Do we get rid of him too? That's a serious question because it's going to happen soon enough under Potter too.

3 minutes ago, Sindre said:

I respect your opinion. 

There is no question we had issues from December until now. But what i'm trying to say is that as long as Tuchel had a settled squad and his best players available we barely had any problems to think about at all. Including against so called parked buses. Which is why we also won the Champions League and also why we were top of the league when all our problems seemed to appear at once.

What happens to Potter when he inevitably runs into challenges and we struggle? Do we get rid of him too? That's a serious question because it's going to happen soon enough under Potter too.

Have you done any research into how potter operates? It's very different to others, he makes players join local theatres and other stuff gets them writing there own songs to sing to team mates, In YouTube type The comfort Zone The  unconventional methods graham potter a decent 5 min video to watch on him.

3 hours ago, coco said:

That's too simplistic a thinking.

Yes we have better players nowadays, more highly skilled yes.

But so is the rest of the league, in fact it's way more competitive now, than it ever was back then. And i go back that far as well, so i remember plenty of boring games.

Even more reason why we need to be playing progressive and expansive football. Tuchel’s tactics were the opposite of that and like others have said it was the most boring football in 50 years. 

4 minutes ago, BS66 said:

Even more reason why we need to be playing progressive and expansive football. Tuchel’s tactics were the opposite of that and like others have said it was the most boring football in 50 years. 

It wasn't even the third most boring in the last seven years.

8 minutes ago, BS66 said:

Even more reason why we need to be playing progressive and expansive football. Tuchel’s tactics were the opposite of that and like others have said it was the most boring football in 50 years. 

Ridiculous. We have played as bad under every manager at some point or another. But none (apart from Frank and the transfer ban) of our previous managers have had to deal with so much in their time at Chelsea, not excuses, facts, we expected an elite World class coach to be some kind of transitional CEO of Chelsea FC, probably causing him serious mental stress, likely evident in his divorce proceedings as well as his pitch side demeanour.

Collectively the players did not help him through this period, some for selfish reasons, others because they are purely not up to the job.

29 minutes ago, BluesMadLad said:

Have you done any research into how potter operates? It's very different to others, he makes players join local theatres and other stuff gets them writing there own songs to sing to team mates, 

You being serious ?

6 minutes ago, coco said:

You being serious ?

Watch the video lol 

6 hours ago, azpi28 said:

he just joined PSG? would be a good signing but would require some millions to buy him out

I thought the same too so I was confused. We also apparently made a big offer for Edwards in August so not sure if we are going for both of them or one or the other. 

14 hours ago, Deino said:

This is untrue, if Pool lost Van Dijk, Salah, Mane and Trent, they won't contend either and so will City if they lost KdB, Silva, Dias and Haaland.

Take out any 4 key players from every champion who's ever won a title and they won't "contend" either.

I don't know what you are on about, In 2015/16 we were 10th in the league, out of the FA Cup in the 6th round, out of the League Cup in the 4th round, didn't get past the round of 16 in the CL

Contrast that to last season where we won trophies, reached 2 finals, 3rd in the league and lost the CL quarterfinals to the eventual champions. So it just proves the point that Tuchel brought about a result by your standards because "consistent CL qualification is a result". 

This season it didn't work out and that's on Tuchel but to talk about the form table to then saying we got lucky because Arsenal and Spurs capitulate is crazy. We still had to get the points needed to secure Top 4, no footballer is sitting on the pitch praying to get Top 4. We made our own luck and that's it. 

Discrediting Tuchel by trying to paint your own reality is just a new low

 

 

You make it sound like we lost our best 4 players for the whole season which is absurd! Exactly who are those players and many games were we without all of them? 

Tuchel’s tactics, with and without a pretty full squad have been poor and he didn’t even seem to know what his strongest team was so those that try to blame things on injuries and the loss of the best players are covering for those lousy tactics. If you think we’ve played well, or even adequately under the circumstances, in the last 30+ league games you’re entitled to that opinion just like I’m entitled to my opinion of it being some of the most boring football I’ve seen Chelsea play in 56 years with no hope of Tuchel changing that any time soon. 
 

@coco have you watched it yet lol.

12 minutes ago, BluesMadLad said:

Watch the video lol 

Bloody link it then you lazy git ! 😅

 

2 minutes ago, BluesMadLad said:

@coco have you watched it yet lol.

I'm watching the one at the top of this page atm, yours is next.

3 minutes ago, coco said:

Bloody link it then you lazy git ! 😅

 

I'll be honest i have no idea how to do it lol. Not savvy with stuff like linking videos haha

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6 minutes ago, BS66 said:

You make it sound like we lost our best 4 players for the whole season which is absurd! Exactly who are those players and many games were we without all of them? 

Tuchel’s tactics, with and without a pretty full squad have been poor and he didn’t even seem to know what his strongest team was so those that try to blame things on injuries and the loss of the best players are covering for those lousy tactics. If you think we’ve played well, or even adequately under the circumstances, in the last 30+ league games you’re entitled to that opinion just like I’m entitled to my opinion of it being some of the most boring football I’ve seen Chelsea play in 56 years with no hope of Tuchel changing that any time soon. 
 

You can't have been paying much attention to our games last season if you didn't realise we had a huge amount of injuries and absence ... far more than other sides. 20 more injuries than Man City for example, who we are trying to compete with ... 

1 hour ago, BluesMadLad said:

Have you done any research into how potter operates? It's very different to others, he makes players join local theatres and other stuff gets them writing there own songs to sing to team mates, In YouTube type The comfort Zone The  unconventional methods graham potter a decent 5 min video to watch on him.

I don't think much of Potter's effort.

 

3 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

After watching this video I've come to realize that there are very few differences between Tuchel and Potter in terms of tactical management and playstyle. Maybe, just maybe, Potter was carefully chosen given it would be an easy transition with the players and the fact he has qualities that deem long term?

I don't think that ever came into their thoughts tbh.

In the video he says that 3-box-3 is one of Potters go to systems, the box being 4 midfielders, something were short off in quality more often than not.

Oh now i wish i never watched that "comfort zone" video, it's just like a football parody, i was expecting Ricky Gervais to appear.

 

12 minutes ago, bluehaze said:

I don't think much of Potter's effort.

 

I can't breath 

4 minutes ago, coco said:

Oh now i wish i never watched that "comfort zone" video, it's just like a football parody, i was expecting Ricky Gervais to appear.

 

Lmao, it's proven to work it's just if the big names will get on board with this sort of thing.