2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Welp. Good luck to you then Potter. 
 

 

Oh good chance @just is the first one to make a potter out club.

And @Gol15 to be potters biggest fan.

Just now, axman2526 said:

Oh good chance @just is the first one to make a potter out club.

Just is was Potters biggest advocate. He is going to be really confused by all this.

2 minutes ago, coco said:

Just is was Potters biggest advocate. He is going to be really confused by all this.

Assuming it is true of course, could all be BS.

I do think we need a new captain and one who plays more often than not. Jorgi would not be my pick. I would give it to Reece.

Just now, axman2526 said:

Assuming it is true of course, could all be BS.

I do think we need a new captain and one who plays more often than not. Jorgi would not be my pick. I would give it to Reece.

Yeah i'm with Potter picking his own captain. Would like Reece, but it's all about trusting Potter from now on.

2 minutes ago, coco said:

Yeah i'm with Potter picking his own captain. Would like Reece, but it's all about trusting Potter from now on.

Previous managers have stuck by Dave as he has been a regular. Now I doubt you can find a single fan of ours who thinks Dave should be a starter. Dont want a captain who is mostly always on the bench. 

Potter should give the armband to Thiago until he goes then hand it to Reese, those two are the more vocal and organised on the pitch.

15 minutes ago, Mod said:

Potter should give the armband to Thiago until he goes then hand it to Reese, those two are the more vocal and organised on the pitch.

I would agree but, and as ridiculous as this sounds as it should be a given, we need to see if Silva is a regular under Potter. If he is absolutely. 

If Potter goes back 4 and benches Silva...

I think on current (and consistent) form, if Potter benches Silva, we should be starting a new manager poll in no time! 

26 minutes ago, Mod said:

I think on current (and consistent) form, if Potter benches Silva, we should be starting a new manager poll in no time! 

Everyone vote @Zeta!

 

4 hours ago, azpi28 said:

notice passes into final third and progressive passes are very high 

& passes under pressure 

thats why Potter rates him 

Why is it that when people want to defend Jorginho they come up with the stats? Don’t they watch the f* games? He’s lost the ball so many times by getting under pressure, gets bypassed by any attacker, but hey ho, there’s always a stats graph with all in green to show us how we need to go to specsavers before going to the game. He’s good for some type of games, but stop showing us those stat graphs when we’ve seen him getting brushed aside by multiple sides time and again.

if Potter makes Jorginho captain, he certainly is not going to get many match going fans on board.

11 minutes ago, RMH said:

Why is it that when people want to defend Jorginho they come up with the stats? Don’t they watch the f* games? He’s lost the ball so many times by getting under pressure, gets bypassed by any attacker, but hey ho, there’s always a stats graph with all in green to show us how we need to go to specsavers before going to the game. He’s good for some type of games, but stop showing us those stat graphs when we’ve seen him getting brushed aside by multiple sides time and again.

if Potter makes Jorginho captain, he certainly is not going to get many match going fans on board.

The whole club is going to be run on stats and data analytics under Boehly ... it's why they went for Potter, because their stats show that he improves his players and his team.

9 hours ago, Sindre said:

Stupidest argument i've heard.

"Oh we only got there because of our great start so it doesn't count"

I've seen some lows trying to discredit Tuchel but that one is up there.

Tuchel got CL qualification 100% of the time. Once from a sh*t starting point and once when we were ravaged by injuries.

Klopp should be thankful he's at Liverpool. Our stupid fanbase would have sacked him four or five times over by now if he had been at this club.

If you’re happy with the form in the last 30+ league games then you’re easily pleased. The fact is that over the final 28 games of last season 4 teams were better than us. In the second half even Newcastle were better than us. I’m happy to see the back of Tuchel’s boring as sh*te tactics.

So we had a few injuries, feeble excuse for the performances. Top teams deal with that all the time and if we can’t beat the bottom half teams with a few players missing we’ll never contend. 

1 hour ago, RMH said:

Why is it that when people want to defend Jorginho they come up with the stats? Don’t they watch the f* games? He’s lost the ball so many times by getting under pressure, gets bypassed by any attacker, but hey ho, there’s always a stats graph with all in green to show us how we need to go to specsavers before going to the game. He’s good for some type of games, but stop showing us those stat graphs when we’ve seen him getting brushed aside by multiple sides time and again.

if Potter makes Jorginho captain, he certainly is not going to get many match going fans on board.

if someone already dislikes Jorginho it is likely that they will notice all of his mistakes more and they will weigh those much heavier than all of the other things he does 

Then when we concede a goal they will automatically look at Jorginho and if he is in a 10 meter vicinity it's his fault or he gets bypassed

as in confirmation bias

he loses the ball more under pressure because he is always available to get the ball while under pressure. Other players won't lose the ball because they don't even want to receive the ball while under pressure. 

i feel like the criticism of Jorginho is often exaggerated

 

P.S.

the same stats btw also show that he indeeds get dribbled past a lot compared to other players, and he is a bit useless in aerial duels

he's not a defensive midfielder. He's useless as a defensive midfielder

Edited September 10, 20223 yr by azpi28

5 minutes ago, azpi28 said:

if someone already dislikes Jorginho it is likely that they will notice all of his mistakes more and they will weigh those much heavier than all of the other things he does 

Then when we concede a goal they will automatically look at Jorginho and if he is in a 10 meter vicinity it's his fault or he gets bypassed

as in confirmation bias

he loses the ball more under pressure because he is always available to get the ball while under pressure. Other players won't lose the ball because they don't even want to receive the ball while under pressure. 

i feel like the criticism of Jorginho is often exaggerated

 

Perhaps a starting point would be to tell him not to try drag backs and flicks in your own box when you're surrounded by opposition players

9 minutes ago, BS66 said:

If you’re happy with the form in the last 30+ league games then you’re easily pleased. The fact is that over the final 28 games of last season 4 teams were better than us. In the second half even Newcastle were better than us. I’m happy to see the back of Tuchel’s boring as sh*te tactics.

So we had a few injuries, feeble excuse for the performances. Top teams deal with that all the time and if we can’t beat the bottom half teams with a few players missing we’ll never contend. 

Of course not but he had to work through an insane amount of unfortunate events in that duration. First of all he never got the chance to work with a settled squad again after November 2021. To sack a manager before he's even been allowed to show he can get us back to that level when he got a settled squad again is absurd. Absolutely absurd and I liked what Boehly & Clearlake did this summer before this farce.

You are also not taking into consideration that during that 30 game period you are thinking of there was a period of two months where the club liquidating was a very real possibility. For a manager to work through that and get his players through it when they couldn't even be sure the club could afford to fulfill their contracts and secure Top 4 in the process was a great achievement no matter how crap the football may or may not have been.

It's disgusting that Tuchel got sacked. And it's perhaps even more disgusting how fast some fools who may call themselves "supporters" turned on him despite everything he did for the club during it's most difficult period in decades.
Supporters my arse as far as i' concerned.

 

Just now, WhiteWall said:

Perhaps a starting point would be to tell him not to try drag backs and flicks in your own box when you're surrounded by opposition players

yes that pissed me off too

29 minutes ago, azpi28 said:

if someone already dislikes Jorginho it is likely that they will notice all of his mistakes more and they will weigh those much heavier than all of the other things he does 

Then when we concede a goal they will automatically look at Jorginho and if he is in a 10 meter vicinity it's his fault or he gets bypassed

as in confirmation bias

he loses the ball more under pressure because he is always available to get the ball while under pressure. Other players won't lose the ball because they don't even want to receive the ball while under pressure. 

i feel like the criticism of Jorginho is often exaggerated

 

P.S.

the same stats btw also show that he indeeds get dribbled past a lot compared to other players, and he is a bit useless in aerial duels

he's not a defensive midfielder. He's useless as a defensive midfielder

I don’t hate him, I think he’s useful against a certain type of teams and crap against quite a lot of the mid and low table teams. But I’m tired of people showing stats just to convince us mere mortals of how good he is. The only thing that type of argument does is making fans dislike him more and more. I haven’t heard any single match going fans argue for Jorginho showing the stats chart during the game to defend him. One thing I can guarantee, if Potter makes Jorginho his captain, the Bridge is not going to be happy and things can go badly if there’s no improvement.

6 hours ago, coco said:

@just

 

Ghana Chelsea FC Fans (official fan base) are a very reliable source. Mbempe Itsolomadeup is very good friends with Todd. Worrying.

Yeah don't worry it'll never happen, as you said Potter is an exciting manager, he'll never build a team around a bus conductor.

44 minutes ago, azpi28 said:

if someone already dislikes Jorginho it is likely that they will notice all of his mistakes more and they will weigh those much heavier than all of the other things he does 

Then when we concede a goal they will automatically look at Jorginho and if he is in a 10 meter vicinity it's his fault or he gets bypassed

as in confirmation bias

he loses the ball more under pressure because he is always available to get the ball while under pressure. Other players won't lose the ball because they don't even want to receive the ball while under pressure. 

i feel like the criticism of Jorginho is often exaggerated

 

P.S.

the same stats btw also show that he indeeds get dribbled past a lot compared to other players, and he is a bit useless in aerial duels

he's not a defensive midfielder. He's useless as a defensive midfielder

Oh Jesus on a bike! Not this again already! He's not a defensive midfielder, he's not an offensive midfielder, he's not there to stop goals, he's not there to score goals, he's not there to make goals, what the f**king f**k is he there for? Please someone. Write it down for us. Draw a diagram. Penalties?

Just now, just said:

Oh Jesus on a bike! Not this again already! He's not a defensive midfielder, he's not an offensive midfielder, he's not there to stop goals, he's not there to score goals, he's not there to make goals, what the f**king f**k is he there for? Please someone. Write it down for us. Draw a diagram. Penalties?

Two up top.

Tickets please.

9 minutes ago, coco said:

Two up top.

Tickets please.

 

 

Ah anyway Coco. Benefit of the doubt eh? It has to be given to Jorginho too. I'm sure Super Graham Potter will give J5 the 1 to 1 man management that Tuchel apparently wasn't very good at and iron those mistakes out of his game.

Singalong Coco......... Walking in a Potter Wonderland.

Edited September 10, 20223 yr by just

40 minutes ago, just said:

Oh Jesus on a bike! Not this again already! He's not a defensive midfielder, he's not an offensive midfielder, he's not there to stop goals, he's not there to score goals, he's not there to make goals, what the f**king f**k is he there for? Please someone. Write it down for us. Draw a diagram. Penalties?

Regista 

suppose to link the defence with the attack, suppose to dictate the play, like a metronome 

 

4 hours ago, BS66 said:

So we had a few injuries, feeble excuse for the performances. Top teams deal with that all the time and if we can’t beat the bottom half teams with a few players missing we’ll never contend. 

This is untrue, if Pool lost Van Dijk, Salah, Mane and Trent, they won't contend either and so will City if they lost KdB, Silva, Dias and Haaland.

Take out any 4 key players from every champion who's ever won a title and they won't "contend" either.

14 hours ago, BS66 said:

We qualified because we got a good start and because Mendy was good during that start. In the final 28 games of last season we were 5th. In the last 15 league games we are 8th in the form table. Consistent CL qualification is a result. 2015-16 again is not. 

I don't know what you are on about, In 2015/16 we were 10th in the league, out of the FA Cup in the 6th round, out of the League Cup in the 4th round, didn't get past the round of 16 in the CL

Contrast that to last season where we won trophies, reached 2 finals, 3rd in the league and lost the CL quarterfinals to the eventual champions. So it just proves the point that Tuchel brought about a result by your standards because "consistent CL qualification is a result". 

This season it didn't work out and that's on Tuchel but to talk about the form table to then saying we got lucky because Arsenal and Spurs capitulate is crazy. We still had to get the points needed to secure Top 4, no footballer is sitting on the pitch praying to get Top 4. We made our own luck and that's it. 

Discrediting Tuchel by trying to paint your own reality is just a new low

 

 

There are three coaches sacked too early in my years following Chelsea, Ancelotti, Conte and now Tuchel. Two have already shown themselves. Competition winners post Chelsea and I expect Tuchel will as well. 
 

equally it’s true the team hasn’t performed recently and there has been a malaise. 

Edited September 11, 20223 yr by ozboy