1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

Can only be a long term project in mind with a 5 year contract on £12M a year. That's a huge investment in a manager unproven at our level.

Here is his managerial league record :

Interested to see how he copes with the huge step up to a big club ... suspect Boehly will not allow him to fail, and will do whatever it takes to make this a good decision.

Some achievement at Ostersunds FK. 

 

5 minutes ago, mclovin83 said:

The problem is, is that if Potter has a bad first season he has little to fall back on at this level. Any other world class manager you would have confidence in their ability to turn things around, but I am not sure anyone (players or fans) will have that for Potter. The question is will Todd when the chips are down?!

When the chips are down
Todd'll be around

With his undying, death-defying
Love for Potter
Envy will hurt itself
Let yourself be beautiful

Sparkling love, flowers
And pearls and pretty girls.........
 

2 hours ago, coco said:

That's handy because we might be in the Europa League next season.

Is Potter really that good ?

4 minutes ago, Adamrb said:

Have we ever seen a Chelsea manager in recent times turn things around once the slump started? I'm not sure I can think of an example 

Good question. 

Possibly depends what we are classing as a slump. 

I guess my point is that Potter will be afforded less grace than a Manager who is proven at the top level. 

5 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Some achievement at Ostersunds FK. 

 

That's great, especially if he continues his trajectory.

But lets face it, were not in a lower tier, were 5th place in the best league in the World, has Potter got what it takes to reach the pinnacle ? Soon find out.

If Avram  Grant can get us to a CL Final, I'm sure Potter can go one step further.

😄😄

1 minute ago, The Rising Sun said:

If Avram  Grant can get us to a CL Final, I'm sure Potter can go one step further beyond.

😄😄

 

1 hour ago, coco said:

Yes but my pointstands, we have gambled more on him than any other manager in our history, and he has won nothing, that is a huge gamble imo.

Sarri came from a significantly weaker league, had never played professional football, hardly spoke the language, and had never won anything either. Plus he had all the personality and Joie de vivre of a blocked toilet which also resembled much of the football he served up in his time at Chelsea.

I think the key element in Potter's football is that he likes to get his players up the pitch. The 5 attackers also become condensed and perform combinations with one another. 

 

4 minutes ago, just said:

Sarri came from a significantly weaker league, had never played professional football, hardly spoke the language, and had never won anything either. Plus he had all the personality and Joie de vivre of a blocked toilet which also resembled much of the football he served up in his time at Chelsea.

Sarri cost us next to nothing, one year salary £5m and £5m pay off. A small sum by comparison.

6 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I think the key element in Potter's football is that he likes to get his players up the pitch. The 5 attackers also become condensed and perform combinations with one another. 

 

Iv'e seen Brighton fans say different. The main thing they moan about was lack of goals, only the bottom 3 scored less last season. One game they lost, think it was Arse, he played no striker, they didn't score, lost the game, their fans were well pissed off with him.

8 minutes ago, coco said:

Sarri cost us next to nothing, one year salary £5m and £5m pay off. A small sum by comparison.

Why the obsession with the money? I don't get it.

This article is five years old but shows we have not appointed a conventional football manager. Personally I thought Tuchel deserved more time Coco to try and improve things, but I am not shocked anymore when these things happen at Chelsea, and I am really, really interested in how Potter deals with the squad and takes on the task of getting us to play more open, attractive football.

https://www.dreamteamfc.com/c/news-gossip/296508/who-is-graham-potter-ostersunds-arsenal-europa-league/

You say you will support any manager of Chelsea and get behind them. But that isn't coming across with your comments at the moment or your preferred avatar. If in nine months time we are still playing the same slow,  predictable, sideways football by all means begin the caning, I will probably join you, but for now I think everyone needs to give him the benefit of the doubt and see how it shapes up.

Edited September 9, 20223 yr by just

3 minutes ago, coco said:

Iv'e seen Brighton fans say different. The main thing they moan about was lack of goals, only the bottom 3 scored less last season. One game they lost, think it was Arse, he played no striker, they didn't score, lost the game, their fans were well pissed off with him.

Brighton scored 132 goals in 120 games under Potter.

Waiting for someone to tell me that it will all be ok because we have better forwards than them ... 🙂 

4 hours ago, Valerie said:

@dkw vs @coco : battle of the forum mainstay 

It's not a battle, i'm just winding him up for a change.

If he was behind Tuchel from the start, i'm King Charles III.

If i'm wrong fair do's, but he did a bloody good job of fooling me.

I still love him don't worry.

38 minutes ago, mclovin83 said:

Good question. 

Possibly depends what we are classing as a slump. 

I guess my point is that Potter will be afforded less grace than a Manager who is proven at the top level. 

Managers aren’t afforded any grade at Chelsea, regardless of whether they’re proven at the top level or not.

4 minutes ago, just said:

Why the obsession with the money? I don't get it.

This article is five years old but shows we have not appointed a conventional football manager. Personally I thought Tuchel deserved more time Coco to try and improve things, but I am not shocked anymore when these things happen at Chelsea, and I am really, really interested in how Potter takes on the task of getting us to play more open, attractive football.

https://www.dreamteamfc.com/c/news-gossip/296508/who-is-graham-potter-ostersunds-arsenal-europa-league/

 

FFP.

17 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Brighton scored 132 goals in 120 games under Potter.

Waiting for someone to tell me that it will all be ok because we have better forwards than them ... 🙂 

Sheesh didn't realize it was that poor. 

23 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Brighton scored 132 goals in 120 games under Potter.

Waiting for someone to tell me that it will all be ok because we have better forwards than them ... 🙂 

Might be worse.

Going from Trossard to Pulisic and Ziyech is a downgrade.

Trossard 96 goals in 330 career games.

Pulisic 44 goals in 249 career games.

Potter might struggle to get a goal every 2 games out of our lot!

Edited September 9, 20223 yr by HazardousChoice

1 hour ago, Adamrb said:

Have we ever seen a Chelsea manager in recent times turn things around once the slump started? I'm not sure I can think of an example 

Interim Guus!

1 hour ago, Adamrb said:

Have we ever seen a Chelsea manager in recent times turn things around once the slump started? I'm not sure I can think of an example 

Well typically that usually is the signal of the end being upon them. 

The thing though is the amount of time and patience they might get is usually based on the strength of their previous achievements. 

We could see Tuchel delivered, Mou delivered, Carlo did too........ you get the point, but were still sacked eventually even though we could point to what they had previously achieved. 

That was my greatest Lampard issue. The performances were not where I felt they should be but I didn't have any prior achievements with which to use to ward off any rational analysis that he wasn't the right manager from an emotional and evidence based point of view. 

TTs sacking is very baffling because you basically spent North of 300m but without waiting to see how he assembled the team you pulled the trigger. 

Not hard to see why all the talk about him not wanting to be collaborative or accept more responsibilities that tie in with their long term vision are now cropping up. In fact, it more suits his own narrative about not waning to be bogged down by those extra bits as well as previously rumored difficulties with working with him. 

Massive thanks and respect for job he did anyway. Chapter closed. Another opened. 

Come on Chelsea!!! 

1 hour ago, Adamrb said:

Have we ever seen a Chelsea manager in recent times turn things around once the slump started? I'm not sure I can think of an example 

5 minutes ago, Mod said:

 

58 minutes ago, HazardousChoice said:

Might be worse.

Going from Trossard to Pulisic and Ziyech is a downgrade.

Trossard 96 goals in 330 career games.

Pulisic 44 goals in 249 career games.

Potter might struggle to get a goal every 2 games out of our lot!

Or alternative take, looking at the career Chelsea tallies of our forwards :

Mount (30) + Pulisic (25) + Havertz (24) + Ziyech (14) + Sterling (3) + Broja (0) + Aubameyang (0) = 96 = Trossard 🙂

1 hour ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Managers aren’t afforded any grade at Chelsea, regardless of whether they’re proven at the top level or not.

Well there is always some grace, it's a question of how much. But you are referring to the owners I presume...

As fans, we have backed managers who are are hugely underperforming - Mourinho's name was still being sung during his second spell when he had us in a relegation fight. That is based on what he has done previously; he was a proven winner and fans believed on this basis that (rightly or wrongly)  he could turn it around. 

Should we find ourselves in a similar position in a few months time I don't think there would be any such confidence. 

From what I've read and listened to TT was out because he was a loner and didn't buy into their strategy of being a long term coach. They want a coach like they put in place at the LA Dodgers apparently - long term to bring through young potential talent breeding success as well as getting the best of established players all aligning with their long term vision and strategy. It seems as though they want more of an old school manger role with head coach involved in not only 1st team coaching but other aspects of the club (recruitment, strategy, etc). Something TT did not want (he preferred only to coach the 1st team) hence is exit. They've accordingly given GP a 5 year deal - not the normal in EPL for such a novice manager at our level. Same with the player contracts 6-7 years is preferred a la baseball model in USA. So in doing that unless they are absolute cants or we are approaching the drop zone I would imagine they will give him time otherwise it makes a mockery of their own long term vision of sucess, especially after binning an elite coach like TT.