3 minutes ago, 2211 said:

I know a few want Potter out today and he has undoubtedly made mistakes in some team selections and formations.

But, without Kepa, Fofana, Kante, James and Chilwell we are a different team unfortunately.

We have a bunch of average players as starters and players not motivated for certain matches.

Let’s face it we sing songs about Steven Gerrard and shoehorn Tottenham into The Liquidater, so we are more naturally up for matches against Spurs or Liverpool. We’ve probably got a lot of players who don’t even understand the rivalry with Arsenal, or why teams geographically close to us like QPR, Fulham or Brentford play like men possessed when we are up against them.

Us fans understand it but does someone like Havertz for example?

They dream of midweek Champions League matches under the lights hearing the theme music as they line up.

Like I said Potter has made a few mistakes but sacking him after 2 defeats in 11 matches is pointless IMO because the players are a major problem.

We need a squad overhaul and until that process gets going then even sacking him and replacing him with Pep would lead to similar frustrations.

2211,that's a other problem, yes missing the players mentioned is a loo,but how many games do they go before they are croaked again.

Just now, timetowaste said:

This is the problem with our set of fans, you lot would have sacked Pep and Klopp after their first season at City and Liverpool because of how they performed. "Pep is out of his depth in the prem, he can only win things with Messi" and "Klopp has only managed in a farmers league, he's like a deer in the headlights"

There's a currently a massive overhaul going on at the club and we need to get behind that. The owners are building a backroom team to help run the club, or, we go back to the same hire and there's a lot of sh*te leftover from the previous one. Personally, I don't want to keep a hire/fire mentality at this club, we've been nowhere near the top of the league in 6 years and I want us to build something that's going to last long term.

Think the biggest thing some people need to grasp is that our players simply aren't that good. 

We, more than any other fans, overrate our players immensely. To a point where now if they do the bare minimum, or have one good game in 5, they are good enough to be here. 

1 minute ago, Chelsc96 said:

Well, there are huge limitations. We have an incredibly slow backline. Azpilicueta, Silva, Koulibaly and Cucrella are not exactly the best suited to playing a high line, so we need to compensate for it by dropping back. We saw earlier in the season what happens when we play a high line; the opposition just run in behind and can merrily skip their way to the goal.

This obviously restricts the level of positivity we can have in the match. Our attacking in line is not the most creative, also. Our attacking midfield options of Havertz and Mount are not good enough at passing to create any consistency in our forward play. They cannot be relied upon to sustain any form of pressure before giving it away. And likely, it won't end in any chances being created - we have seen this enough over the last 18 months to know this is not going to change, especially for Havertz.

We struggle to control possession without Kante and Kovacic, who are both injured. This, again, will affect our ability to be positive in matches - we cannot take control when our midfield is no better than the oppositions. We have no replacements for these two, so this is not going to change until they come back from injury permanently. 

 

So you're blaming Tuchel on his tactics and shot creation but blaming the players on Potter's tactics and shot creation?

Did Potter magically stumbled upon this squad today? He knew this since Thursday but can't come up with an effective gameplan

3 minutes ago, Bluesince66 said:

Sorry but this isn't Brighton, he is way over his head and we can all see it.

I never said he needs the same time he got at Brighton but surely he has to be given more than a couple of months before we decide he isn't good enough. Arsenal aren't Brighton either but Arteta was given plenty of time and money and they finished 8th two seasons in a row and 6th last year, and look at them now.

1 minute ago, timetowaste said:

This is the problem with our set of fans, you lot would have sacked Pep and Klopp after their first season at City and Liverpool because of how they performed. "Pep is out of his depth in the prem, he can only win things with Messi" and "Klopp has only managed in a farmers league, he's like a deer in the headlights"

I can't speak for anyone else but for me that is not the case, I spent the whole of 18/19 defending Sarri. Patience is all well and good if the end product is something you want to see.

Also Klopp took over a genuinely hopeless Liverpool squad who spent all bar one of the previous six years outside of top four (and the exception year was solely because of one man), we've finished top four the last four campaigns.

4 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

This is the problem with our set of fans, you lot would have sacked Pep and Klopp after their first season at City and Liverpool because of how they performed. "Pep is out of his depth in the prem, he can only win things with Messi" and "Klopp has only managed in a farmers league, he's like a deer in the headlights"

There's a currently a massive overhaul going on at the club and we need to get behind that. The owners are building a backroom team to help run the club, or, we go back to the same hire and there's a lot of sh*te leftover from the previous one. Personally, I don't want to keep a hire/fire mentality at this club, we've been nowhere near the top of the league in 6 years and I want us to build something that's going to last long term.

Sorry I wouldn't gave wanted pep or klopp sacked because I knew they were great managers.

5 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Without Kepa we are on a run of 5 losses out of 5 in the league. He (plus Mings in the first case) stopped us from losing at Villa, Brentford and at home to United.

Yeah our results in the league are very flattering, they've disguised terrible performances. We should be mid table right now realistically.

3 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

This is the problem with our set of fans, you lot would have sacked Pep and Klopp after their first season at City and Liverpool because of how they performed. "Pep is out of his depth in the prem, he can only win things with Messi" and "Klopp has only managed in a farmers league, he's like a deer in the headlights"

There's a currently a massive overhaul going on at the club and we need to get behind that. The owners are building a backroom team to help run the club, or, we go back to the same hire and there's a lot of sh*te leftover from the previous one. Personally, I don't want to keep a hire/fire mentality at this club, we've been nowhere near the top of the league in 6 years and I want us to build something that's going to last long term.

You have the right idea for an argument in Potter's case but you chose the wrong names. You should have said Ferguson's name.

Pep and Klopp had the style and tactics locked in by the first month. After that it was about acquisitions for them.

From now on, I will watch the matches as a neutral. Every loss brings us at least closer to the sacking of GP and embarrasses Boehly.

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5 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Yeah our results in the league are very flattering, they've disguised terrible performances. We should be mid table right now realistically.

We will be soon enough  😉

4 minutes ago, Bluesince66 said:

Sorry I wouldn't gave wanted pep or klopp sacked because I knew they were great managers.

Sorry but I don't believe you with Klopp. Took over half way through the season and finished 8th, then finished 4th two seasons in a row nowhere near top of the league, there is no way in hell Chelsea fans would give him the time of day after those 2 and a half years.

45 minutes ago, The Brit said:

If you didn’t expect there to be bumps in the road after this change of coach after the season started, then I admire the optimism.

Theirs bumps in the road, but this is more like off road with no win in 4 in the EPL.

2 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

Sorry but I don't believe you with Klopp. Took over half way through the season and finished 8th, then finished 4th two seasons in a row nowhere near top of the league, there is no way in hell Chelsea fans would give him the time of day after those 2 and a half years.

Klopp had a pedigree of winning titles. There was a development visible. None of that with Potter. His biggest achievement at Chelsea so far has been his appointment at the barber‘s.

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Just now, timetowaste said:

Sorry but I don't believe you with Klopp. Took over half way through the season and finished 8th, then finished 4th two seasons in a row nowhere near top of the league, there is no way in hell Chelsea fans would give him the time of day after those 2 and a half years.

He started from a team that was consistently in the Europa League. 4th is progress under those circumstances.

 

The biggest difference however, is the Klopp and Pep have a record of success with top teams. So at least we would know what the end goal looks like, so they would get a lot more leeway. Potter doesn't have that same record, finishing 9th with Brighton (whilst being 16th in goals scored) isn't a record of success.

1 minute ago, coco said:

Theirs bumps in the road, but this is more like off road with no win in 4 in the EPL.

Soon to be 5, Newcastle showing how to invest smartly over the short term to build. 

5 minutes ago, Deino said:

You have the right idea for an argument in Potter's case but you chose the wrong names. You should have said Ferguson's name.

Pep and Klopp had the style and tactics locked in by the first month. After that it was about acquisitions for them.

 

6 minutes ago, Deino said:

You have the right idea for an argument in Potter's case but you chose the wrong names. You should have said Ferguson's name.

Pep and Klopp had the style and tactics locked in by the first month. After that it was about acquisitions for them.

Klopp were woeful for a while before it finally clicked and Pep was questioned a lot, mainly by reactionary football fans which unfortunately makes up a solid chunk of our fanbase. As I said in another reply, there's no way Klopp would have been given the time he was given here.

5 minutes ago, GermanChels said:

From now on, I will watch the matches as a neutral. Every loss brings us at least closer to the sacking of GP and embarrasses Boehly.

Don't usually question people's support for a team but if you are going to watch us as a neutral just so GP is sacked then you aren't a Chelsea fan.

2 minutes ago, GermanChels said:

Klopp had a pedigree of winning titles. There was a development visible. None of that with Potter. His biggest achievement at Chelsea so far has been his appointment at the barber‘s.

We've had managers a lot more successful than Jurgen Klopp and our fans have turned on them quickly. Whether it's rational or not that's a big part of our fan base.

27 minutes ago, abramovich said:

The progressive forward thinking playing style Potter implemented at Brighton takes time and patience to build 

But the problem is that Potters Brighton last season scored the least amount of goals in the league bar the bottom three.

He managed the 17th worst attack in the league last season.

And today you can see why.

2 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Don't usually question people's support for a team but if you are going to watch us as a neutral just so GP is sacked then you aren't a Chelsea fan.

As if we are not gonna get beaten by Newcastle anyway.

16 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

This is the problem with our set of fans, you lot would have sacked Pep and Klopp after their first season at City and Liverpool because of how they performed. "Pep is out of his depth in the prem, he can only win things with Messi" and "Klopp has only managed in a farmers league, he's like a deer in the headlights"

There's a currently a massive overhaul going on at the club and we need to get behind that. The owners are building a backroom team to help run the club, or, we go back to the same hire and there's a lot of sh*te leftover from the previous one. Personally, I don't want to keep a hire/fire mentality at this club, we've been nowhere near the top of the league in 6 years and I want us to build something that's going to last long term.

So you would not have sacked Villas Boas back then? Or Lampard back in 2021?

We literally would not be Champions League winners right now if we didn't make those moves.
Pep and Klopp have pedigree and they came in and set the standard right away. It didn't always work out because they didn't have the right players yet. Klopp especially had a bunch of dross when he took over with Borini, Lambert and Balotelli leading the line - not European Champions like Potter have.

Potter have no idea. No obvious way we want to play, no obvious way we want to defend and one thing that is obvious is that the players are losing faith in him sharply. Gallagher said after Brighton the players couldn't get motivated, Potter said essentially the same thing today. He's lost the players and he's already heading towards the exit.

What actually worries me is that Boehly is stubborn and won't admit he's made a mistake. 

4 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

 

Klopp were woeful for a while before it finally clicked and Pep was questioned a lot, mainly by reactionary football fans which unfortunately makes up a solid chunk of our fanbase. As I said in another reply, there's no way Klopp would have been given the time he was given here.

Probably also why we were in and around CL places since the time Klopp was at Pool. Did Klopp really won more trophies than we did since 2015 at Pool? Nope. 

If your argument is should we sack Klopp for underperforming? Yes.

3 minutes ago, coco said:

But the problem is that Potters Brighton last season scored the least amount of goals in the league bar the bottom three.

He managed the 17th worst attack in the league last season.

And today you can see why.

Yeah I still don't understand why people thought he was an attacking manager based off that record.

What obscure observations did he have in his post match analysis, I’m not beating him Down, he did nothing to deserve the cfc job, I do remember countless times saying Howe with some spends will be a brilliant boss, NUFC now flexing and will be the new Man City…..why cos they can SPEND like we do.