5 minutes ago, Deino said:

At this point in time it's a possibility, we lose the next 3 games and we could be in the bottom 10 or worse. Who knows what could happen at the World Cup.

Boehly persisted quite a while when his baseball team were near bottom so the man has a thick skin

Yeah is how I see Todd as well, I expect Potter has a long stint regardless of how the fans feel.

If we finish top 4 it will be only due to other teams being complete sh*t and not taking any advantage of how poor we are. The difference from finishing top 2 and top 4 is actually huge.

3 minutes ago, 2211 said:

We won’t be 16th by next week, I think the half way point will be around the end of January.

By then we would have had a transfer window, albeit a difficult one to bag a bargain, hopefully by then we’ll have some players back from injury at the very least.

The distance between the bottom 10 and us is around 9 points. We have Geordies next and the next game is after the World Cup. We are fecked if we lose any more starters by then. 

Even if we bring in Nkunku by Jan, we have to be on our best form to beat Pool and City. Bournemouth and Forest has just become must win games 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

But people also haven't even backed elite managers in the past when they were on poor runs. You can look in the archives of manger threads like Ancelotti and Conte and people wanted them out even after they won trophies for the club. The hiring and firing culture ingrained in our club goes beyond the status of the manager. Even Pep could come here, and people will still want him out if he goes on a bad run of games. Id' just love for us to back a manager for the first time and see what happens. 

I backed Ancelotti Conte and Tuchel all the way, agree that they were turned on by some fans far too quickly though. 

24 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

I'd definitely give him the season, I think a lot of it also depends on how much we progress as a team and how we play. If most of our performances are similar to this for the rest of the season then Boehly etc need to ask questions 

There is and always will be a cutoff. No owner in their right mind would give a manager a blank cheque in terms of results. And the worrying thing is the way we played today we looked a broken team. With his team selection and tactics that we've seen, we could go into a free fall and the owners will have to act in that case.

11 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

If we finish top 4 it will be only due to other teams being complete sh*t and not taking any advantage of how poor we are. The difference from finishing top 2 and top 4 is actually huge.

Top 4 is out the window already that’s gone don’t fool ourselves. City will spank us along with Newcastle.

We’re not going to finish top 4. All the talk of “we need to get rid of x” or “replace the deadwood” etc is moot. We have systemic issues, the likes of which other clubs don’t. Those that don’t have these issues, with similar calibre or slightly worse squads, will finish above us. It’s that simple.

Roman leaving was the bursting of our bubble. We now have the wrong owners, and the wrong coach. But I’m not sure if there is a right coach. when your bubble bursts, there’s just not much you can do. Things don’t work. You can’t expect to be challenging when that happens. Think Man U after Ferguson left, or Arsenal post-wenger. Those are the relevant analogues. I fear with potter we maybe at the Moyes to United stage of our decline. Long road ahead. I’d love to be wrong. 

Last time my mother in law visited I walked into the kitchen and she was eating some concoction of mustard, ketchup, left over Chinese food, all on top of romaine lettuce.

I looked at my wife, shook my head and turned around and walked back out of the room. Threw up a little in my mouth just seeing it. 

For some reason that moment is what I think of when now watching this side under Potter. The ingredients are there to make a much better meal but he's making a turd salad and has somehow convinced himself that is the best option.

31 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Sounds to me like the majority of the fanbase has turned on Potter already.

I think it’s down to the fact that potter hasn’t got anything on his CV to show he can deliver at the top. which probably makes fans more skeptical.

 

Relying on certain players that are detrimental to the team is what caused Arsenal such a downfall in the mid 2000s. 

We need to not do this and smarten up, as much as it hurts some people to admit. We didn't even move stadiums. 

Edited November 6, 20223 yr by Sconnie Blue

God knows how we went from needing 2 or 3 players to compete to needing the whole team lol

For me Tuchel should've never been sacked that early in the season. It was a ridiculous decision followed by another ridiculous decision by hiring Graham Potter who is a good manager, but let's face it - not a top, top level manager.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Dean said:

We’re not going to finish top 4. All the talk of “we need to get rid of x” or “replace the deadwood” etc is moot. We have systemic issues, the likes of which other clubs don’t. Those that don’t have these issues, with similar calibre or slightly worse squads, will finish above us. It’s that simple.

Roman leaving was the bursting of our bubble. We now have the wrong owners, and the wrong coach. But I’m not sure if there is a right coach. when your bubble bursts, there’s just not much you can do. Things don’t work. You can’t expect to be challenging when that happens. Think Man U after Ferguson left, or Arsenal post-wenger. Those are the relevant analogues. I fear with potter we maybe at the Moyes to United stage of our decline. Long road ahead. I’d love to be wrong. 

I disagree. We actually have a decent system going for us. We have owners that are ambitious, willing to spend but a bit green in football management, some players that are winners just jaded/lacked belief/not utilized properly, a thriving academy and a solid fanbase.

Things can turn around very well once the manager gets his sh*t together. What we are lacking right now is superior tactical identity, match preparedness, formation organization and motivation. All things that are in control of the coaching team and head coach. If Potter can't deliver all that just because he doesn't have the right players then he's out of his depth

At this point, I think I'd much rather watch our squad perform Swan Lake than play any more football matches. Hoping Potter's choreography is better than his game management !

24 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

But people also haven't even backed elite managers in the past when they were on poor runs. You can look in the archives of manger threads like Ancelotti and Conte and people wanted them out even after they won trophies for the club. The hiring and firing culture ingrained in our club goes beyond the status of the manager. Even Pep could come here, and people will still want him out if he goes on a bad run of games. Id' just love for us to back a manager for the first time and see what happens. 

If we are moving away from hiring and firing I'm sure it will be welcomed by many , however having hired and fired a succession of elite level managers the prospect of sticking with our Junior CEO and Junior Manager are a tad worrying.

42 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

The situation was massively different though. When Klopp arrived, Liverpool weren't even a Champions League team, they were rarely even qualifying for it at that point. Also, all they had won in 10 years was a League Cup. Of course they were going to give time to a multi title winning coach, they couldn't do any better.

Our situation is very different. Unlike Liverpool, we have been regularly qualifying for the Champions League and winning trophies, so why should fans expect to go backwards now?

Unlike Klopp, Potter doesn't have the same level of success to his name. Klopp was a clear upgrade on their previous manager, Potter is a clear downgrade on our previous manager. It's a lot harder for Chelsea fans to buy into Potter than it ever was for Liverpool to buy into Klopp.

So you're saying we would have given Klopp the 3/4 seasons it took for them to become contenders? Absolute bollocks, we've sacked managers who won the league the season before, let alone someone from the bundesliga who had his team celebrating a 2-2 draw against West Brom.

People want to talk about 'pedigree' but we just got mugged off by arsenal, currently top of the league, who's manager had never even had a managers job, on paper it was a massive downgrade from Emery. The knives had been out for Arteta for a long time before they got to this point where their team looks well oiled and moving in the right direction. 

I think Potter is too scared to put Sterling and Mount on the bench because of the names on the back of the shirt, instead of looking at their actual performances.

Doesn't have the stones for a big club. 

Saw some journo mention it a few weeks back. Potter is making decisions based on the history of the names of the back of the shirt instead of what's right in front of him.

If his stones are too small to make tough decisions at a big club I'm gonna call him Pecan Potter. 

We need a manager with some royal chestnuts in his pants.

Instead we have Pecan Potter. 

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I don’t think it matters who the manager is, look at todays team!

It was woeful, how many of that team make Arsenals team? 1 definite in Mount, maybe Silva.

That’s how far we are behind.

So many players need booting out.

Just now, Wearyourcolours said:

I don’t think it matters who the manager is, look at todays team!

It was woeful, how many of that team make Arsenals team? 1 definite in Mount, maybe Silva.

That’s how far we are behind.

So many players need booting out.

You can't blame the team and then go and pretend Mount isn't one of the problems. 

I won't lie usually I try to be an uplifting member of this forum and always recommend we back under pressure players or coaches if I can see some merit in them.

I honestly thought the sacking of Tuchel at the time was wrong but I could see how it could be justified. The then hiring of Potter seemed the most logical choice at the time. I had hoped he would be a bit of an underdog like Sarri where he's not a flashy name, but he can coach attacking football. Now Sarri for his part did his job and had we stuck with him there's a chance we could have eventually seen prime Sarrismo/Sarriball. 

When Potter signed for us I couldn't believe the pay package of £12m, was he an elite level manager who's tactics and track record demonstrated his status for that wage level? Not really and therefore, it seemed undeserved imo, but his pay is none of my business.

I hoped since he had a track record of supposedly being tactically adept at least for the past couple of seasons. Yet despite the 9 games unbeaten run which tbh we can attribute to the new manager bounce. I'm yet to really see him really tactically outfox any manager in the league. In the ucl against Milan we looked good take nothing away from him for that. Yet the place I expect him to show his best tactical side (the prem) he's failed to deliver imo. 

The team selection is wrong on so many occasions, I just don't understand how he can be analysing the squad day in and day out and coming up with these concoctions of dross. I held my tongue after the Brighton game and tbh losing to this Arsenal side hasn't made me lose faith in Potter. I still back him, but I think everyone on here who have genuine concerns about him have every right. This ofc doesn't mean we don't support him and hope he can eventually create a successful project here. 

Do I think City, Liverpool or any other elite club would hire GP, no. Do I think that's significant...yes. We're a level below the top teams currently and I don't think we can bridge that gap with this man. Yet I'm happy to be proven wrong and it would be just like us to win the ucl with GP. Maybe that's what he's secretly aiming to do, knowing that the league is essentially gone. Time will tell how good a coach GP is but as of now, I'm not impressed with the team selections, the tactics or the playstyle.

By all means give the man time this is the start of a project and we CFC fans aren't known for our patience the past couple of decades. That being said that doesn't mean we should settle for mediocrity.

We have spent a billion or thereabouts on players and no nearer to challenging for the title, it's mental. We are not going anywhere fast that's for sure. Arsenal isn't even that good on paper, but they've spent far less than us and they are challenging this season. I hope Boehly hires knowledgeable people who have the right answers. 

1 minute ago, Wearyourcolours said:

I don’t think it matters who the manager is, look at todays team!

It was woeful, how many of that team make Arsenals team? 1 definite in Mount, maybe Silva.

That’s how far we are behind.

So many players need booting out.

Of course it does, Utd won against this Arsenal side.

The same Utd that got spanked by Villa and drawn against us.

This Arsenal could have been got at had Potter prepared really well

There is the concern that allegedly when he came in GP said he wanted to build a team around Jorginho, the guy is the centre of our PL problems. He can play in Europe but he’s so bad in the PL it’s almost laughable.

7 minutes ago, Wearyourcolours said:

I don’t think it matters who the manager is, look at todays team!

It was woeful, how many of that team make Arsenals team? 1 definite in Mount, maybe Silva.

That’s how far we are behind.

So many players need booting out.

Mount?

What is he doing that I am not seeing? He's not even average in the run of play. He's a mid with a high work rate and good set piece delivery being played out of position as an attacker. 

2 minutes ago, Wearyourcolours said:

There is the concern that allegedly when he came in GP said he wanted to build a team around Jorginho, the guy is the centre of our PL problems. He can play in Europe but he’s so bad in the PL it’s almost laughable.

If that's true. Sack him.

6 minutes ago, Deino said:

Of course it does, Utd won against this Arsenal side.

The same Utd that got spanked by Villa and drawn against us.

This Arsenal could have been got at had Potter prepared really well

I have to agree,I didn't think they were that great,we did nothing to try and beat them.