4 hours ago, petre ispirescu said:

For me it is very simple and the very harsh reality is that if you take ALL of the TOP 30 clubs in this world, Chelsea have, and it is not even debatable, THE WORST attacking players. And one of the most unbalanced squads because there is hardly any midfielder that can score. 

Tuchel built this three at the back system based solely on world class full backs. When they miss everything is over.

The club must bid for players like Nkunku, Rafael Leao, Joao Felix, Diaby (Leverkusen), Cody Gakpo and many others. I've only given examples of affordable ones. If you want to stay at the top you need speedsters, players that can take a man on and not affraid to dribble, explosive ones and know how to score a goal.

Armando Broja is the only one I would keep come next summer. Aubameyang, Pulisic, Ziyech, bin them and invest the money in something better.

And then we have to discuss the likes of Sterling, Havertz and Loftus-Cheek. Like really. If I was in charge I'd sell them while their value is still high. There is really no point and the most shocking one is Sterling. He is only 27 but looks like a 34 yo player that has just signed his last big money contract in the MLS and in his mind has already retired.

Plus there is question marks over Mount, too. He looks like a luxury system player. He is not a winger, not a central midfielder and not a number 10 either. He is more of a number 8 in a three man midfield and we don't play that way. He looks like he is at best when he has the system shifted to his capabilities. Do we afford to do this just to play to his strenghts? As much as I love Mase, I am affraid we don't. You do this for players like De Bruyne, Modric etc.

Lots of work to do for the new owners if they are willing to stay at the top and not just huff and puff around the TOP 4 which by the way I don't think we'll get this season. 

 

Sterling is 27 year old, however he started playing for QPR at 15. Those who start really young also stop playing at the top level young. Like Rooney and Torres.

Sterling is 27, but his football millage makes him 32 already at least. This was his last big pay say before retirement or an MLS move imo.

4 hours ago, drjonesy1994 said:

Potter 100% got it all wrong yesterday. It was clear from minute one that we had set up far too passive, standing off Arsenal and quite frankly giving them too much respect. We are at our best (whatever that is these days) when we press teams aggressively from the front. There was none of that yesterday and we just allowed Arsenal to manage the game in their own way. It was clear that the plan yesterday was try and score on a break and win 1-0. 

If we had lost yesterday but actually put in a decent shift then I would be more accepting of it. But to set up the way we did in a home match is unacceptable. It’s something you can do when you’re managing Brighton against a good side like Arsenal, but it doesn’t fly at a “top” club anymore. Then Potter’s post match comments made things even worse, saying that the players gave everything and that we had to respect Arsenal because they’re in a better moment. Of course you respect the opposition, but you still have to impose yourself on the game and try and create chances. We were far too passive all over the pitch yesterday. It actually reminded me in a lot of ways the way that Conte set us up away at City a few years back. To say that the players gave everything is insulting to be honest because they were all awful yesterday, barring one or two exceptions. 

We should be imposing ourselves better on these types of games. The Arsenal and United games we had one shot on target across both games, and that was a 90th minute penalty. It’s not good enough. I thought Potter was supposed to be the next big thing and have us playing more attack minded football, but so far everything has been reactionary rather proactive. That approach will work on occasion, but nowhere near consistently enough for a top side to be successful. 

I actually like Potter and want him to succeed, and I think given the new owners and hopefully the new strategy coming into place then he will get the time. But he needs to be careful, he’s managing one of the biggest clubs in the country and arguably Europe and therefore needs to get out of the mentality that he’s managing a smaller club like Brighton. He also needs to be careful with what he says in the press. Every Chelsea fan could see we were poor yesterday so to say we gave everything is a dangerous line to take. That being said, at what point does this form become a serious concern for the owners? I know Tuchel wasn’t sacked purely for the results but Potter has now managed 1 more league game than Tuchel did this season and has a worse points per game record. 

We will lose against City in the week, not too fussed about that to be honest and looks like we will lose against Newcastle next week which will make it 6 league games without a win. Hopefully the World Cup will be a chance for Potter to re-assess things. We also have a few key injuries to our best players, hopefully when they come back things start to look better, but hopefully we also address the lack of quality in depth we have in certain areas. 

Things aren’t great at the mo but I do think we need to have a bit of patience. As a club we can’t continue to chop and change the manager at the first sign of things going south. He has obviously shown at Brighton that he is a talented manager, and it’s not fully translating to us yet. The constant changing of managers is why we have a mismatched squad of players going back to Conte’s time with us. City and Liverpool have both successfully implemented long term models and to an extent so have Arsenal (early days for them this season but looks as though backing the manager and signing the players he wants has paid off for them, when there has been a few times he could’ve been sacked over the last few years). But, for Potter to be here long time then the fans, and more importantly the board need to see that we are working towards something.

We were one of the top sides under Roman mate. Under Bates we were top 4 hopefuls and the occasional cup, not one of the big boys.

What are we as Clearlake Chelsea? We will see, at the moment not a top side.

1 hour ago, El regreso said:

This sums us up - we just have to give him time. We have to at some point still with a manger because if we don’t we will consistently have squads made up of 5 or 6 different managers players.

In the article it says the last manager to get 150 matches at Chelsea is 12 managers ago. Yesterday was Arteta 150 games in charge.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2022/nov/06/graham-potter-is-still-chelsea-solution-to-their-systemic-problems?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Why didn't we give Tuchel time? He was pretty close to the 150 games, 5 cup finals a Champions League win and 2 top 4 finishes to go with it.

Edited November 7, 20223 yr by Drogba1

1 hour ago, Drogba1 said:

On that list, only Trippier and Bruno Guimares would be Chelsea signings, and Trippier would probably be on the bench for Reece normally. There's no excuse for Newcastle being so much better than us

I would disagree, as well as Trippier and Guimares being good quality I also think Wilson, Pope and Burn are too.

All under the same manager too.

 

 

Edited November 7, 20223 yr by strider6004

1 hour ago, Drogba1 said:

Why didn't we give Tuchel time? He was pretty close to the 150 games, 5 cup finals a Champions League win and 2 top 4 finishes to go with it.

Tuchel was not sacked because of bad results, it is quite obvious. New owners have the tendency to replace managers whenever they buy a club. 

Clearlake were unlucky as the manager that they had to replace was a guy who was widely loved by Chelsea fans.

But mind you, should Tuchel have stayed, I do not think that the results would have drastically improved. And if that was the case, I am sure a lot of Chelsea fans would've turned on him. Quite a lot of content creators were already asking questions about him during the end of last season, when we were shaky. 

It was just a matter of time before people would've asked for Tuchel's head to fall. 

 

2 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

On that list, only Trippier and Bruno Guimares would be Chelsea signings, and Trippier would probably be on the bench for Reece normally. There's no excuse for Newcastle being so much better than us

Constantly blaming the quality of our players is lazy analysis. 

It's the use of them which is the main problem.

Potter is also horrendous at squad rotation. So far he just doesn't get it.

Despite my criticism of Sterling and Mount I will say in defending them, they have been ran into the ground. They look well beyond tired. Mount is literally falling over the ball. Sterling can't dribble past my grandma. They both are in poor form but lack of legs is not helping at all. 

 

Edited November 7, 20223 yr by HonoreMeiBalsac

Funny how the same people who blamed Tuchel for the bad performances are now saying it's the players, how convenient... 

7 hours ago, enigma said:

If we had Haaland or Kane, do people think we'd be sitting where we are in the table? I don't. We desperately need a top goalscorer or two, which we've not had for years.

We never replaced Hazard, but instead we were just happy for the money got for him. We never replaced Costa, or even Drogba really. How are we expected to compete with no real goalscorer? 

Don't you think spending 60m on a useless left back when you already have Chilwell was a priority?

Edited November 7, 20223 yr by Ernie_blue

23 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

Don't you think spending 60m on a useless left back when you already have Chilwell was a priority?

When Newcastle spent less than half that on a much better right sided version.

We made a terrible mess of the window. We hope Carney, Solina, Casadei and Fofana can save it.

20 hours ago, Term_X said:

Well, 50th then.. not high ranking in the UK or anywhere and not part of the Russell Group. That’s without even mentioning the ranking is not meeting full eligibility to criteria hence it’s formatting, it’s in a grey area in terms of all that. He obtained his degree from the Open Uni and got his Masters from Leeds Metropolitan which funnily enough to this discussion, ranked 1,001 out of 1,600. As a guy heralded as ‘the most educated manager of all-time’, we need to read between the lines a bit here. At least Mourinho studied ‘Sports’ Science, whereas Potter has focused mainly on Social with his Masters in Leadership & Emotion. 

Pep Guardiola has no accredited education outside of coaching badges but is there a manager better than him. So in fairness it’s all bullsh*t to the context this is being applied and we can only speculate how beneficial aspects of Potter’s education has been and how that’s going to save us. 

FYI: I worked 37 hours a week 365 days, I’d be bringing two laptops to lectures multi-tasking for a company during 2nd and 3rd year and the same now in a Masters. Not to brag but purely for the rebuttal of the prior comment regarding the ‘mighty’ unique OU students who work full-time and have so much going on. It’s now a pointless debate in fairness, it stems back to a prior comment of a Masters degree “not being worth it”, hence I threw my hat in the arena and now we’re arguing over OU.

 

Fair play mate, nothing to argue about there , except I've never seen anything about him being the " the most educated manager of all time " and of course his subjects are irrelevant to coaching a PL side.

But I will say this, if he is capable of turning Chris Hughton's  awful anti-football Brighton into a something that is admirable and entertaining, whilst losing key players and spending next to nothing,   then there's no reason he can't do it with us.

But he managed players who bought into his plan unfortunately our players often down tools when they don't fancy a bit of hard work.

thanks for your reply take care.

20 hours ago, axman2526 said:

He can win back the fans by putting Mount on the bench, Sterling, Havertz, Auba, Koulibaly, Mendy and Ziyech in the reserves and on the transfer list, and writing this seasons top 4 chase off while playing and developing Broja, Carney, Gallagher, Casadei and Hall. As well as any other youths that deserve a crack. At least then we will see real effort.

Once we are mathematically safe from relegation, ditch the lot, and play the youths..too many earning millions and not  giving a sh*t  . Mind you , the way we are going it might be a long time before we are safe😃😃😃😃😃😃

Todd likes the Red Bull model. A former Ded Bull manager just became available for free.

Ralph Hasenhuttl anyone?

ARTETA ?

remember when he played " you'll never walk alone" to the team before they played Liverpool ?

got beat 4-0.

Arsenal fans wanted him sacked on the spot. ...... 

Apparently Liverpool and Klopp are in deep sh1t, Conte's project is falling apart, but not many pundits are having a go at Chelsea, to be honest both these teams would rip us apart right now. Acknowledge Potter only had a dozen games and he looked a nice guy, but he's getting a free pass right now. Tuchel and Frank have got away with it after 2 heavy losses and 4 games without a win. Somehow all the blames are on the players as they are over past it, most of them are part of the team that got us the top 3, and that was a season full of bad injuries and Covid isolations. What's our expectation now, top 6 or top half of the table?

2 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Todd likes the Red Bull model. A former Ded Bull manager just became available for free.

Ralph Hasenhuttl anyone?

@GermanChels was all for it and then he found out Husenhuttl was Austrian not German. So it was a no from him. He says if we can't get Klopp we should offer the job to Angela Merkel.

4 hours ago, Victor90 said:

Funny how the same people who blamed Tuchel for the bad performances are now saying it's the players, how convenient... 

I suggest looking at the Potter thread, he's getting torn apart!

5 hours ago, Victor90 said:

Funny how the same people who blamed Tuchel for the bad performances are now saying it's the players, how convenient... 

Nice try USAnice-but-dim.

Can't be Tim, he hated Tuchel!

Just now, Mod said:

Can't be Tim, he hated Tuchel!

Is it Sindre again?

11 minutes ago, just said:

Is it Sindre again?

Sindre was never banned though. Reading between the lines, this is what happened:

Following a fairly mild pisstake - when I asked him if he was expecting Tuchel’s baby, or if he was just a bit of a tart, Sindre lost it completely, demanding for me to be banned. Then when this demand of his was refused, he insisted that his own account should be closed.

Shame really, but it does answer my question: Sindre is a right tart.

Top source: A lot of players are unsettled at the club, some are unhappy with life in London & at the club in general, some want out immediately. Half the squad don’t even engage together."

@siphillipssport 

Potter is managing a mess, difficult job.

27 minutes ago, Mod said:

Can't be Tim, he hated Tuchel!

Oopps yeah i read it wrong.

Victor has been saved.

24 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Top source: A lot of players are unsettled at the club, some are unhappy with life in London & at the club in general, some want out immediately. Half the squad don’t even engage together."

@siphillipssport 

Potter is managing a mess, difficult job.

Well the performances certainly show that and can guess several of the ones that want out.

Ziyech, Pulisic, Havertz, Aubameyang easily for starters.

I mean we were only a crises club five months ago, about time we were again. Lol

Also please if they feel this way get shot of them ASAP. 

Edited November 7, 20223 yr by axman2526

29 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Top source: A lot of players are unsettled at the club, some are unhappy with life in London & at the club in general, some want out immediately. Half the squad don’t even engage together."

@siphillipssport 

Potter is managing a mess, difficult job.

Can’t say if this is true but by the way the team looks on the pitch this would make sense as they look like strangers.

@JM7looks like he has deleted that tweet as I Cannot see it on his account.

Edited November 7, 20223 yr by axman2526