So many think removing Potter and bring back TT would solve all our problems. Cannot agree guys and gals.

Our biggest problem we are stuck with for 10 years.

7 minutes ago, smileysmiles said:

I always felt if we turned up under Tuchel we could beat anyone. Like I said in the other thread under Potter I just cannot see where the next goal comes from.

Not confident on us doing well in the Champions League this year at all

6 hours ago, Sheva said:

Im very much in the opinion that we need to give him time to build something. Though if we drop away from top 4 positions I dont think he will have that time. We need the full structure in place before we think about changing managers again. The quality of players we have in midfield and attacking positions are not premier league winning quality and our midfield just lacks any sort of creativity and pace.

Only Sterling and Auba have really played consistantly at a high level in the premier league. One is ageing and the other just left one of the best attacking teams in the league so its probably a shock to the system. The world cup will be good for us so Todd can hire the right people to make the right decisions in January, we spent so much money in the summer and we look worse.

Havertz, Mount, Pulisic, Ziyech have been poor for years and in my opinion simply not good enough. I still think Timo Werner had a more impactful career that 3 out of 4 of those players.

This team is one of the least interesting teams we've had in a long time. We kinda lost that Mourinho idenity and I miss having a spine with the likes of Drogba, Costa, Fabregas, Terry, Lampard. Big players who don't hide and I'd argue we've been free falling ever since Contes first season and Tuchel winning the CL was just a blip.

As much as it's great to have had Lampard come in and bring through a few youngsters because of the transfer ban but that and Hazard leaving dropped us down a level and we haven't recovered since because we have been chasing potential instead of proven quality.

Potter has a hard task on his hands because he's got alot of expensive 'talent' to get the best out of but sadly I dont think there's alot more you can get out of it. The best you can do is improve around it.

I used to believe that it was a myth that its a risk to sign quality players from different leagues because they are not premier league proven. After our business over the past few years I changed my mind...

 

Great Post! Definitely agree that our quality dropped after Hazard left and we never recovered. I can count the number of players in our team that would start in our previous title winning teams and that is really the litmus test as to the quality of our squad at the moment.

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3 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

So many think removing Potter and bring back TT would solve all our problems. Cannot agree guys and gals.

Our biggest problem we are stuck with for 10 years.

All our problems? No of course not. Our attackers are still woeful and our quality midfielders are all 30+ and hardly fit anymore. However, under Tuchel we would at least be tough to beat, and not have to rely on Kepa to bail us out against mid table sides.

 

We know what the end project would look like with Tuchel with the right recruitment, we've seen enough flashes of how good his sides can be,  nobody knows what the end result with Potter would look like. Brighton isn't Chelsea, they mostly played against sides that would come at them not sit back, not to mention we don't know whether Potter can handle a dressing room of top class players as well. 

19 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

Mate you've posted a link to a petition to get a sacked manager back and you expect me to take the post seriously?

On to the other point about Boehly you started talking about 'Chelsea standards' like this bloke isn't part of a £4bn consortium to buy the club and hasn't just invested £250m in new players plus a new board and a new coaching team. I can assure you, this bloke has a lot more to lose if Potter fails than we do, so to try and call out his understanding of our standards is idiotic.

We have a long term plan in place and it's very important that we understand that results aren't going to come immediately, we've got a mainly horrible squad that aren't capable of challenging Man City for the league and we've played a mostly defensive style of football for years, potter wants a more progressive attacking style and switching contrasting styles like that isn't going to happen in 2 months.

Im aware that I've probably come across as a dick but this short term thinking is very frustrating. The guy just needs time to build a squad otherwise we're just going to go back to the old ways of sacking a manager every 18 months and never develop that exciting style we as fans want to see.

Why wouldn't I post it, the point of a petition is to share it...the fact that it's to reinstate a fired football manager shouldn't even be an issue. The amount of times we see big personalities return to their previous clubs (coaches or players) it's the name of the game.

Football remains a unique paradigm in which there is almost limitless possibilities. For you to merely disregard the plausibility I wouldn't really take issue, to call it idiotic well that's your opinion which I couldn't care less, but I was interested to hear your reasoning.

Todd doesn't understand the standards mate, its not a move Roman would ever make and lets face it as far as contemporary Chelsea fc is concerned that is the measuring stick. Using the money spent as a way of defending Boehly is lazy, just because he spent money and intends to spend money doesn't mean he knows what he's doing. He might have our best interests at heart, doesn't mean he will succeed. 

He obviously doesn't know what he's doing because if he did we wouldn't be in the current situation. Presently I find it hard to respect him, not because he fired Tuchel but the way he went about it. Shady as hell man, he spoke about how they know they have one of the best coaches in world football, who they wanted to be part of the project blah blah the quotes are out there.

To then back him in the summer, with his signings followed by a sacking before we even hit 10 games of the season tells me he says and does 2 different things. I therefore, don't presently trust him. I think he was very smart the way he played everybody including the fans, for the way TT handled everything last season he deserved better. 

I don't think Boehly made Potter's job easy in fact he made it almost as hard as possible, at least he has the winter window to make some changes. He could of I suppose sacked TT after Jan and then expected Potter to work without having a transfer window this season.

I wouldn't call you a dick, but you don't understand me if you think I'm thinking short-term. I don't care about results like today in the grand scheme of the "project". I'm annoyed the project had to be restarted. TT did everything possibly asked of him when he signed, firing Tuchel just proved we can't commit to one manager, because if TT couldn't make it what chance does Mr Potter have when the big name players decide they don't want to play for him and get him sacked

 

As much I want Tuchel back, it's pointless. Let the man enjoy the break he deserves after the worst year in his life(probably)

As for Potter, if we really are persisting with him, I can only expect midtable positions like 10th come May.

We are fast becoming Utd 2013 but without the fame and money

16 minutes ago, coco said:

Our attack was bloody awful before Potter came along.

That's why i don't understand why we replaced Tuchel with a manager who's team had the 17th worst attack in the league last season. We now have that manager, and the same players who couldn't score last season, plus some new players who also can't score, that all adds up to what Potter said after the Brighton game, PAIN.

This is the most frustrating part, it's like Potter should have never taken this job. He was really doing well with Brighton and that project wasn't even finished yet! I'd rather we stuck with TT til the summer, see how GP got on with another season of improving with Brighton and assessed the situation in the summer.  

To add further insult to injury, we give him a hefty wage and contract length making it a rather big incentive to back him. I understand backing the current manager and just because people think TT is a better choice and want him back doesn't mean we don't back GP. The question I ask is how do we know he's the right man to take this project forward? Would it not have made more sense to have a world class coach lead the project to propell us to the next level. Rather they took a mid table manager and expect in a few years he'll be the English Pep does that make sense to anyone with any footballing IQ....no because the people running our club don't have any footballing IQ they're businessmen. He might know baseball but this isn't baseball

If left to Todd who's to say we replace Potter with anyone better?

He may decided to give the job to Gerrard, Bruce Arena or Jessie Marsch.

21 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

All our problems? No of course not. Our attackers are still woeful and our quality midfielders are all 30+ and hardly fit anymore. However, under Tuchel we would at least be tough to beat, and not have to rely on Kepa to bail us out against mid table sides. 

While to again reemphasize i was very much in the camp of Tuchel to stay that isn't true. We beat Villa and Brentford at the beginning of last season solely because of Edou and got battered by the latter in the return game.

49 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

So many think removing Potter and bring back TT would solve all our problems. Cannot agree guys and gals.

Our biggest problem we are stuck with for 10 years.

I don't think bringing back Tuchel would solve all of our problems, the biggest problem is the players. The issue I have is that with a much inferior coach, which I believe Potter is, we can sink really low. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised at this point if we finished mid table. Where do we go from there? For some odd reason, a lot of fans have lowered their standards well below what was expected of Tuchel, but how low have their standards really sunk? how about mid table? I don't care how much rebuilding needs to be done, there is no way any excuses can be made for Potter if we finish 8th or lower.

3 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I don't think bringing back Tuchel would solve all of our problems, the biggest problem is the players. The issue I have is that with a much inferior coach, which I believe Potter is, we can sink really low. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised at this point if we finished mid table. Where do we go from there? For some odd reason, a lot of fans have lowered their standards well below what was expected of Tuchel, but how low have their standards really sunk? how about mid table? I don't care how much rebuilding needs to be done, there is no way any excuses can be made for Potter if we finish 8th or lower.

Mine lowered once we got new owners. You, me and every other supporter of Chelsea FC have gone form "fans" to "consumers" imo.

Arsenal have shown you can make very good money while doing pi$$ all, Liverpool to a slightly better degree the same. The Glazers have done it even better.

So long as we stay in the PL they will find a way of making good money. They don't care if we are happy, they know their "product" will still be bought.

2 hours ago, axman2526 said:

If left to Todd who's to say we replace Potter with anyone better?

He may decided to give the job to Gerrard, Bruce Arena or Jessie Marsch.

My money's on De Zerbi. Getting Brighton to play nice football seems to be enough to qualify you for the Chelsea job these days

2 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

All our problems? No of course not. Our attackers are still woeful and our quality midfielders are all 30+ and hardly fit anymore. However, under Tuchel we would at least be tough to beat, and not have to rely on Kepa to bail us out against mid table sides.

 

We know what the end project would look like with Tuchel with the right recruitment, we've seen enough flashes of how good his sides can be,  nobody knows what the end result with Potter would look like. Brighton isn't Chelsea, they mostly played against sides that would come at them not sit back, not to mention we don't know whether Potter can handle a dressing room of top class players as well. 

I know we are on a bad run under Potter, but we were pretty easy to beat under Tuchel earlier in the season, not to mention second half of last season. Just ask Leeds, Southampton, or Zagreb. 

His comments again show small club mentality.. "We lost against a top club" - the same club we have beaten in this competition and UCL with similar set of players... this was their B Team..

His mentality is not of a big time coach and that reflects in how he sets up team.. this guy is a big big mistake..

Even SFL when he was coach never made such comments when we were literally playing with kids.. GP just doesnt have the arrogance and ego and mentality of a top level coach.

Understandably there are a lot of forum members who are still upset that Tuchel was shown the door. I never like to see our managers fired, especially those who have enjoyed some success at the club, and I would have liked to have seen Tuchel given the season at least. But the decision was made and there was obviously nothing we could do at that point. Now I want to see Potter succeed. I don't know whether he will, and I can understand concerns that he has little experience at this level. But I will be supporting him 100% while he is manager. No doubt he will be shown the door if he doesn't meet expectations.

However I am curious about what other fans think would have happened if by some chance Roman had ended up staying put as owner? Knowing his track record there is a decent chance he would have fired Tuchel in the summer after our disappointing second half of the season. The same players would have left as they had not been offered extensions under Roman, and our track record in recent seasons does not give me great confidence that we would have brought in better replacements under Marina etc. Most likely we would have brought in another high profile manager like Pocchetino and the same cyclical issues with the squad would continue. Or am I missing something?

While optimism may not be high in the short term, at least we have a chance to genuinely rebuild now.

28 minutes ago, Jangz said:

His comments again show small club mentality.. "We lost against a top club" - the same club we have beaten in this competition and UCL with similar set of players... this was their B Team..

His mentality is not of a big time coach and that reflects in how he sets up team.. this guy is a big big mistake..

Even SFL when he was coach never made such comments when we were literally playing with kids.. GP just doesnt have the arrogance and ego and mentality of a top level coach.

From the first press conference Tuchel talked about challenging for everything, even though we were in free fall when he took over. We went on to salvage top 4, reach the FA Cup final (losing to a dodgy VAR decision) and win the Champions League.  That's the kind of mentality he brought to the club.

15 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Understandably there are a lot of forum members who are still upset that Tuchel was shown the door. I never like to see our managers fired, especially those who have enjoyed some success at the club, and I would have liked to have seen Tuchel given the season at least. But the decision was made and there was obviously nothing we could do at that point. Now I want to see Potter succeed. I don't know whether he will, and I can understand concerns that he has little experience at this level. But I will be supporting him 100% while he is manager. No doubt he will be shown the door if he doesn't meet expectations.

However I am curious about what other fans think would have happened if by some chance Roman had ended up staying put as owner? Knowing his track record there is a decent chance he would have fired Tuchel in the summer after our disappointing second half of the season. The same players would have left as they had not been offered extensions under Roman, and our track record in recent seasons does not give me great confidence that we would have brought in better replacements under Marina etc. Most likely we would have brought in another high profile manager like Pocchetino and the same cyclical issues with the squad would continue. Or am I missing something?

While optimism may not be high in the short term, at least we have a chance to genuinely rebuild now.

Most likely not, since Ancelotti was sacked Roman hasn't been as ruthless over the past decade. Mourinho was only let go by Christmas once we were near the relegation zone. Lampard was sacked when we were 9th after 19 games after a 200m transfer window. Conte fell out with the board, but he did miss out on top 4. Sarri was allowed to stay on, he just wanted to leave. The Di Matteo sacking was pretty harsh but the CL win did cover up the fact we finished 6th below Newcastle under him.

 

The Tuchel sacking is right up there with the Ancelotti and Mourinho 1 sackings. When you add the fact that we sacked him 6 games in after spending 250m on players he seemingly wanted, it's one of the worst decisions this club has made in a long time.

23 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

The Tuchel sacking is right up there with the Ancelotti and Mourinho 1 sackings. When you add the fact that we sacked him 6 games in after spending 250m on players he seemingly wanted, it's one of the worst decisions this club has made in a long time.

I don't think Ancelotti sacking was as harsh as made out (ofcourse the way it was done was awful).

With his sacking people just look at the top line and say "he won the double then finished 2nd wtf" but if you delve a bit deeper our squad then needed a major rebuild with the old guard stagnating, that wasn't and isn't his MO. Asking him to perform that would have been the managerial equivalent of playing Sterling at wing back, managers have their strengths and weaknesses just like players do.

In hindsight what I wished happened was the parting company with Mou happened in summer 2007 with Ancelotti taking over at that point. Would have worked well for everyone as Mou had another job offer (he didn't confirm which club but said he had one immediately after winning the FA Cup) while Ancelotti's Milan tenure stagnated a bit after that season (similar problem with us in the end, they needed a rebuild and he wasn't the right profile for it) and it would have saved us both the Grant and Scolari tenures (all be it meant no Hiddink).

It's one of those parting that needed to be done not because he was outrightly doing sh*t but because the club situation evolved to a point his skillset wasn't suited (2009 we were trying to squeeze out every last bit of success we possibly could out of the old guard but the time it got to 2011 we needed to totally rebuild the squad). Infact in a way similar but for different ways to the situation with Frank who was the right man when we had a transfer ban and needed youth promotion and a feel good factor (probably better than most if not all the big names for that requirement) but unfortunately became a fish out of water once the big signings came in and the expectations rose.

Edited November 10, 20223 yr by Argo

1 hour ago, Jangz said:

His comments again show small club mentality.. "We lost against a top club" - the same club we have beaten in this competition and UCL with similar set of players... this was their B Team..

His mentality is not of a big time coach and that reflects in how he sets up team.. this guy is a big big mistake..

Even SFL when he was coach never made such comments when we were literally playing with kids.. GP just doesnt have the arrogance and ego and mentality of a top level coach.

His comments also show where we are right now, not a top club anymore. 

We are on a nasty path.  Not throwing the towel in on Potter, but I worry the player egos and willingness to give that little extra will diminish with each loss.  We're a soft touch as a club these days.  Makes it hard watching teams like Newcastle where everything is on the up and players are giving it everything on the pitch.

We should be rebuilding with new owners and driving positivity.  What we are watching though is a period of regression - don't let Chelsea slide in this fashion. 

I feel we are in trouble when ever Pep is telling to trust whoever our current manager is. 

I know it is only surface but I find it very hard to be excited about Potter in any way or form. 

I feel a tad unattached as a fan. These two losses have basically felt like nothing. 

I feel we should trust the process however. Potter is tied to 2027. Let him work with the players and create some sort of cohesion.

5 hours ago, axman2526 said:

So many think removing Potter and bring back TT would solve all our problems. Cannot agree guys and gals.

Our biggest problem we are stuck with for 10 years.

I am not 100% sold on Potter but I am pretty sure getting Chilwell, James and kante back will solve our problems more than bringing back tuchelt

Bringing back Tuchel would absolutely make me lose any respect or trust over the owners. 

4 minutes ago, evissy said:

Bringing back Tuchel would absolutely make me lose any respect or trust over the owners. 

It would show they are willing to admit mistakes and learn from them. That can only be a good thing, even if it's unconventional.

For everyone saying all our attackers are not good enough, you only have to look at Newcastle's rise. They signed 3 quality players in the spine, Bruno, Pope, Botman. Now the attackers that didnt look great like almiron are suddenly finding form. 

If we fix the spine, then some of these attackers will flourish. 

Summer window looking like disaster. 

In hindsight, we shouldve spent the Cucurella money on a centre midfielder, and Lukaku should have been kept, as we have taken a massive hit on him, only to sack the manager he fell out with 2 months later. 

Potter isnt exclusively a 3atb manager even at Brighton last season it was split pretty evenly between a 4 and 3. 

Really hoping Fofana coming back after the world cup will see us shift to 4, and then Potter gets to consistantly use a 4 he is comfortable with, and we get a midfielder in January. 

If we dont then I cant see us finishing higher than 5th or 6th.