7 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I get that alot of people don't like GP atm but to completely undermine what he did at Brighton and claim that Zerbi is the reason they are doing well is intellectually dishonest. Zerbi is using Potter's team plain and simple and you don't need to like GP to admit that.

A lot seem hung up on Potter being English and not the latest shiney german/spanish/italian wunderkind manager, seemingly hoping he fails and we can sack him as soon as possible to bring in one of them. All the excuses and reasons used for Tuchel`s failings  are basically ignored, and rubbish like you pointed out being used to denigrate Potter at every opportunity. Its all very odd.

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3 hours ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I get that alot of people don't like GP atm but to completely undermine what he did at Brighton and claim that Zerbi is the reason they are doing well is intellectually dishonest. Zerbi is using Potter's team plain and simple and you don't need to like GP to admit that.

I think Brighton's recruitment has been the biggest factor in their success, we should've went for whoever was doing their transfers rather than the manager

3 hours ago, dkw said:

A lot seem hung up on Potter being English and not the latest shiney german/spanish/italian wunderkind manager, seemingly hoping he fails and we can sack him as soon as possible to bring in one of them. All the excuses and reasons used for Tuchel`s failings  are basically ignored, and rubbish like you pointed out being used to denigrate Potter at every opportunity. Its all very odd.

I could argue the opposite reason is why Potter is getting so much leniency from some of the fanbase, whereas a lot of them were calling for Tuchel's head at every small slip up during his first 6 months. There were people saying Tuchel could be sacked for losing the Champions League Final from what I remember.

 

Had Tuchel joined and the form we were in under Lampard got even worse, I think the reaction would be far worse than what Potter is getting now. 

21 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

I could argue the opposite reason is why Potter is getting so much leniency from some of the fanbase, whereas a lot of them were calling for Tuchel's head at every small slip up during his first 6 months. There were people saying Tuchel could be sacked for losing the Champions League Final from what I remember.

 

Had Tuchel joined and the form we were in under Lampard got even worse, I think the reaction would be far worse than what Potter is getting now. 

That is true. I can recall debating multiple times in the first two months with people who thought there was barely if any improvement.

18 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

I could argue the opposite reason is why Potter is getting so much leniency from some of the fanbase, whereas a lot of them were calling for Tuchel's head at every small slip up during his first 6 months. There were people saying Tuchel could be sacked for losing the Champions League Final from what I remember.

 

Had Tuchel joined and the form we were in under Lampard got even worse, I think the reaction would be far worse than what Potter is getting now. 

True, our fans swing from week to week either proclaiming managers as geniuses or calling for their heads the next.

TT got plenty of stick even after our first game v Everton , and Leeds and v Saints..

give Potter time ffs  , we don't have a sugar daddy benefactor any more, if you can think back to before RA that's what we are going to be. And that's ok isn't it  , we support Chelsea regardless don't we ?,   Nearly every team win nothing year after year, but still have loyal support.  We've been privileged for 20 years  , now we aint. 

Win or lose up the BLUES !😉😉

35 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

I think Brighton's recruitment has been the biggest factor in their success, we should've went for whoever was doing their transfers rather than the manager

I think we were trying to bring in their recruitment team.

strange how a Brighton can have a superior recruitment team to us though. AND they have nowhere near our finances.

 

 

7 hours ago, smileysmiles said:

It seems some are happy with that for some bizzare reason.

 

7 hours ago, smileysmiles said:

It seems some are happy with that for some bizzare reason.

Being realistic isn't the same as being happy

30 minutes ago, Argo said:

That is true. I can recall debating multiple times in the first two months with people who thought there was barely if any improvement.

There were alot of people that didnt like Tuchel simply because he replaced Lampard, and do think that there's some fans, that havent criticised potter for things like playing players out of position, or not using youth players in dead rubbers, that they wouldve came down hard on Tuchel for. 

Everyone has their favourites, and their preferences. I'm absolutely gutted Tichel is no longer here, I just felt he really got the club, and we went through some historic moments with him on and off the field, it wouldve been great to see him build a legacy here.

However he has gone, and as a Chelsea fan, I am used to losing managers that I have grown attached to, whether that's Gullit, Mourinho, Ancelotti or Tuchel. 

Moaning at Potter now, not giving him time, signing Tuchel petitions, it doesnt benefit the club. Might as well get behind him, Brighton have been great to watch under him, he is the most talented English coach since Bobby Robson imo, although Howe is doing great things too. 

It's funny long before Potter came here every now and again I would look at Howe's Bournemouth and even though they often lost they would play attacking football.

I wondered if he would get the chance to manage at a higher level and no-one came in despite the media making noises and especially regarding his preference for Arsenal.

Nothing happened and then after 8 years they were relegated and Howe left. I wondered where he would go next and as we know it was Newcastle and without obvious major purchases are now favourites for a top four finish.

I'm not sure they will finish top four yet like with Howe, Potter was seen in a similar way and two weeks ago he was one match from his first 11 matches of remaining undefeated and seen as a club record. Come Arsenal, no James and no Kovacic and we lose, no pace midfield and our attacking supply from the right was almost non-existent. 

We need a better quality squad and Potter has not had a chance to get any players in, so to write him off so soon is just a kneejerk reaction for me.

6 hours ago, dkw said:

A lot seem hung up on Potter being English and not the latest shiney german/spanish/italian wunderkind manager, seemingly hoping he fails and we can sack him as soon as possible to bring in one of them. All the excuses and reasons used for Tuchel`s failings  are basically ignored, and rubbish like you pointed out being used to denigrate Potter at every opportunity. Its all very odd.

So basically what you did to Tuchel when he replaced Lampard? 

6 hours ago, dkw said:

A lot seem hung up on Potter being English and not the latest shiney german/spanish/italian wunderkind manager, seemingly hoping he fails and we can sack him as soon as possible to bring in one of them. All the excuses and reasons used for Tuchel`s failings  are basically ignored, and rubbish like you pointed out being used to denigrate Potter at every opportunity. Its all very odd.

I'd challenge this dkw. I don't think it's a English thing. I'd say it's the same challenge I had when Frank was appointed. He didn't have the managerial record to manage a club like ours and unlike Frank doesn’t have the huge playing record and status at the club to try and compensate. 

I've said before that there are managers who can get a club to midtable and those who manage big clubs and win titles. They aren't always mutually exclusive. I think we'd hoped he could go Pochettino and do both. At this stage I am not seeing it. Now I'm not going to come on here after every loss and bag him but at the same time I'd be immensely surprised if he is managing us next season.

Tuchel was never a long term prospect and the ownership change didn't help him, but I think we'd have been better off having him see out the year with Aubameyang etc coming in and then trying for a manager with more top level chops next year if it didn't work out than moving for Potter who hasn't really addressed any of the issues we saw under Tuchel.

4 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

I think Brighton's recruitment has been the biggest factor in their success, we should've went for whoever was doing their transfers rather than the manager

TBF that's what we're kind of doing. Also, I don't think it's fair to dismiss a manager's success to just recruitment. If that was true people could say that Tuchel only won the UCL because he had Lampard's players. Brighton didn't start playing well when Zerbi came in.

Edited November 11, 20223 yr by Frankie8Lampard

On 10/11/2022 at 00:01, axman2526 said:

So many think removing Potter and bring back TT would solve all our problems. Cannot agree guys and gals.

Our biggest problem we are stuck with for 10 years.

Has Jorginho signed a new contract? I must have missed that.

8 hours ago, dkw said:

A lot seem hung up on Potter being English and not the latest shiney german/spanish/italian wunderkind manager.

There’s only one answer…

 

3 hours ago, Victor90 said:

So basically what you did to Tuchel when he replaced Lampard? 

Blimey. First Droy, now you Victor. We ain't half getting a lot of newcomers on here who strangely seem to have total recall on what happened and what people said long before they ever joined. I need to get myself one of these time machines. Or perhaps I just open another account and call myself something really dissocciating and clever that nobody will ever spot like JorginhoisPele or Sindray.

Edited November 11, 20223 yr by just

1 hour ago, just said:

Blimey. First Droy, now you Victor. We ain't half getting a lot of newcomers on here who strangely seem to have total recall on what happened and what people said long before they ever joined.

I just said this to @coco about 2 minutes ago!

2 minutes ago, Mod said:

I just said this to @coco about 2 minutes ago!

 

1 hour ago, just said:

Blimey. First Droy, now you Victor. We ain't half getting a lot of newcomers on here who strangely seem to have total recall on what happened and what people said long before they ever joined. I need to get myself one of these time machines. Or perhaps I just open another account and call myself something really dissocciating and clever that nobody will ever spot like JorginhoisPele or Sindray.

Such paranoia. Clearly is just osmosis...

Gotta laugh when people come back with new names and avatar, going after their nemeses like they never left.

 

 

11 hours ago, dkw said:

A lot seem hung up on Potter being English and not the latest shiney german/spanish/italian wunderkind manager, seemingly hoping he fails and we can sack him as soon as possible to bring in one of them. All the excuses and reasons used for Tuchel`s failings  are basically ignored, and rubbish like you pointed out being used to denigrate Potter at every opportunity. Its all very odd.

Tbh I think a lot of people just don't expect much from English coaches. It's no secret that there has never been an English coach that has won the Premier league. I don't know if its to do with our FA coaching pathway or the fact that foreign coaches are just more expansive and imaginative in their football philosophies. 

When you look at it, despite the name English Premier league it's everything but English. The best players are foreign, the best coaches are foreign. Heck the best owners are foreign. It's all to do with money, money brings in the highest calibre of employees be that players or coaches. They dominate the league because they are not only the best in their own countries, but also in the world. Potter,  god bless him isn't one of the best coaches in the world. But Boehly believes with the right financial backing and time he will be.

Only time will tell, as far as he's concerned, but personally as an English man it would be nice to see an English coach do well and finally break the curse of winning the prem. He's probably up there right now as one of the top 3 English coaches.

It's just hard to see Potter winning the league when there is always going to be competion from the best coaches around the world. No disrespect to Potter I don't particularly want him out, I obviously preferred Tuchel but if some fans want an elite coach to compete with the other elite coaches in the league and champions league can you really blame them? It's hard to be thought of as an elite team without the presence of an elite manager.

 

28 minutes ago, Mod said:

I just said this to @coco about 2 minutes ago!

It's like Back To The Future!!! Perhaps he should have called himself Marty McFly.

7 minutes ago, coco said:

Gotta laugh when people come back with new names and avatar, going after their nemeses like they never left.

 

 

19 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

It's no secret that there has never been an English coach that has won the Premier league.

We had all this when Frank was here, we shrugged it off and said things like "always a first time", but now we have Potter our 3rd English EPL manager, it needs addressing.

Howard Wilkinson was the last Englishman to win the English top flight, the final season of the First Division in 92 was won by Leeds managed by Englishman Howard Wilkinson. Then Ferguson dominated the league for the next 20 years winning it x13 times with Dalglish nicking one title at Blackburn, and Wenger x3 managing to get three titles, then we had our wins with JM x3, Ancelotti and Conte, and City with Mancini, Pellegrini and Pepe x4, then Klopp, and Ranieri.

Only 11 managers who have won the EPL. 

2 Scots

1 French

1 Potrugese

1 Spanish

1 Argentian

1 German

4 Italians

 

It won't be long before an English manager wins it, may have to wait for Pep to get bored and move to America or wherever he wants to go to spend his billions.

4 hours ago, just said:

Blimey. First Droy, now you Victor. We ain't half getting a lot of newcomers on here who strangely seem to have total recall on what happened and what people said long before they ever joined. I need to get myself one of these time machines. Or perhaps I just open another account and call myself something really dissocciating and clever that nobody will ever spot like JorginhoisPele or Sindray.

You should change it to JorginhoisPele just. Gol would be so confused during your next little battle.

On 07/11/2022 at 13:27, enigma said:

If we had Haaland or Kane, do people think we'd be sitting where we are in the table? I don't. We desperately need a top goalscorer or two, which we've not had for years.

We never replaced Hazard, but instead we were just happy for the money got for him. We never replaced Costa, or even Drogba really. How are we expected to compete with no real goalscorer? 

I don't - I think we would still be f**ked, because we create almost nothing

A lot of talk about whether potter is good enough. I have reservation about potter but potter is not really the big problem. 

It is this

Sterling - Auba - Mount 

Cucu - Jorgi - Ruben - Azpi

Koula-silva-chalobah

This is our current best starting 11,let's be frank it is trash.