7 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I agree. They wanted to do too much too quick. 

I honestly don't blame them on that front tbh. Most takeovers begin with an owner being interested so they have the opportunity to plan ahead of time before even making a bid for the club but with this one Roman was forced out of the club so anyone that took over was buying it unexpectedly and going to have to play catch up quickly.

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1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

You think our players are good enough for what exactly? If it’s to challenge for the league we are years off. 
 

Maybe so, but we were also literally on the verge of crashing out of the CL group stage.

Good enough to compete for top 4, had we missed out on top 4 under Tuchel a lot of fans would've called for him to be sacked.

 

We were 1 game into the Champions League group stage when Tuchel was fired.

4 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Yeah he sounds more out of his depth than AVB did. Surely he knows what the standards of the club are.

The AVB appointment comparison is an apt one. The single biggest mistake of the Roman Empire. It is clear to me that this is perhaps just as bad an appointment or possibly worse.

Just now, Drogba1 said:

Good enough to compete for top 4, had we missed out on top 4 under Tuchel a lot of fans would've called for him to be sacked.

 

We were 1 game into the Champions League group stage when Tuchel was fired.

The one thing our rivals did the past year that we naively didn’t do was strengthen our dire midfield. 
 

We are now going match weekend after match week having to rely on RLC and Jorginho. Sorry it’s not good enough for me. 

6 minutes ago, Vialli96 said:

It doesnt matter what we think. It’s all in Boehly’s hands…a man who knows nothing about football or what it takes to make a successful club/team. I think he only started watching football last year. He may have succeeded in Baseball or whatever, but football is completely different. The wise thing to do would have been to take advice from a football person, but the way he’s gone about negotiating all signings, wanting his own players and formations, sacking Tuchel etc. indicates it’s all him…which is worrying. 

That doesn't stop any self-respecting forum member to post their opinions 🙂 

Anyway, your hindsight may be right, but it's not helping now.

 

I do not blame Potter whatsoever for this mess. We were in a mess before him, so it's no surprise we are in a mess now. Signing average players hasn't helped. Brighton had a good, solid structure in place with Potter at the helm. Meanwhile, we lose our two-decade long owner earlier this year and a new ownership comes in. There is so much wrong with the club that I hope gets fixed. Potter isn't the problem and even if, like a few posters here so desperately want, Potter was to get fired, a new coach isn't going to change much at all as the issues run much deeper than the coach. We've been saying for a long time that the occasional cup win has masked over just how underwhelming we've been. Two titles in 12 seasons isn't good enough. The same has been said over and over, but we are under 5 months into new ownership. Things have been and will continue to be difficult for a while yet, so we need to expect a bumpy ride.

2 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The one thing our rivals did the past year that we naively didn’t do was strengthen our dire midfield. 
 

We are now going match weekend after match week having to rely on RLC and Jorginho. Sorry it’s not good enough for me. 

We got top 4 comfortably last year with pretty much the same midfield, Kante was barely fit last season also, and Loftus Cheek started a lot of games. This season we have Gallagher instead of Saul.

 

I thought we were going to finish 4th or 5th this year under Tuchel, I'd be very surprised if we finish higher than 7th under Potter.

6 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

You think our players are good enough for what exactly? If it’s to challenge for the league we are years off. 
 

Maybe so, but we were also literally on the verge of crashing out of the CL group stage.

Your kidding. To win the league no but top 4 yes. right now we are heading for lucky to hit top 10 thats not the players.

 

The players are capable they have shown it case in point the spuds game.

 

The best outcome for us is potter is trying to change something and isnt just clueless hence why the players look devoid of ideas and what they should be doing.

 

But honestly thats a shot in the dark and I feel Potter is lost...

Potter is smart, it clicked for me that as much as he says this opportunity was too good to pass up he made sure he had assurances. It's not enough for an owner to say "we'll back you don't worry you're safe from the sack here is a x amount of years contract". 

He was secure at Brighton. Therefore, he would have needed a gesture or some kind of incentive, assuring him of his safety with us if things didn't go so well. This must be why he's on £12m a year on a 5 year contract. A £60m payout for sacking a manager is a huge financial incentive to back him, especially when times get tough. What owner wants to pay that out without getting any kind of return.

The only question that remains is if it doesn't get better for a long time does Boehly continue to back Potter. There's no guarantee Potter would be able turn it around, but as it stands I don't see him getting sacked for a good while. It would take a really bad run and heavy fan pressure, will be interesting to see how it all pays out. Whether Potter can improve us before there is immense public unrest from the fans. 

I don't think Potter is the problem, I think the squad are just like with Lampard and Tuchel that's 3 coaches that have struggled to get the attack working. The difference being out of those 3 coaches only one of them is elite and proven and therefore was able to achieve something. 

What's the minimum requirement for this season because 4th place is just unrealistic with the high competion and high standards of other teams in the league. It's not even just rival or big 6 teams that are currently better than us, teams outside the big 6 have more qualified and objectively better coaches.

It's unfair to judge him so early yet that is the very nature of modern football, you only get to see out a long-term project if you as a coach justify the decision of your appointment. Which is done through the football your team plays, and a lot of the time the reason there needs to be a fairly quick improvement at least in some departments is because every other team around you is looking to take your spot. 

An elite coach whether you like it or not gets this team in the top 6, whereabouts I'm not sure exactly but we shouldn't be out of the top 6, regardless of Newcastle or Brighton or whoever else is punching above their weight currently. Come the end of the season whether we acknowledge the squad deficiencies or not an elite coach a world class coach gets these lot in a European football spot.

If Boehly isn't setting requirements or being lenient around them he's not the guy. Roman was ruthless and that meant we got the best the moment Boehly shows us he'll settle for anything less than the best he's already changing our image and rebranding us,but not for the better.

 

7 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

The AVB appointment comparison is an apt one. The single biggest mistake of the Roman Empire. It is clear to me that this is perhaps just as bad an appointment or possibly worse.

Yeah AVB had us all fooled.

Just now, Drogba1 said:

We got top 4 comfortably last year with pretty much the same midfield, Kante was barely fit last season also, and Loftus Cheek started a lot of games. This season we have Gallagher instead of Saul.

 

I thought we were going to finish 4th or 5th this year under Tuchel, I'd be very surprised if we finish higher than 7th under Potter.

Did our rivals stand still? They strengthened and they did it wisely. Spurs, Arsenal, United, and even bloody Newcastle knew to strengthen their midfield.

They are reaping the rewards whilst we are complaining week after week why RLC and Jorginho continue to start. And you think we are good enough to finish too 4? 

Just now, Sconnie Blue said:

Did our rivals stand still? They strengthened and they did it wisely. Spurs, Arsenal, United, and even bloody Newcastle knew to strengthen their midfield.

They are reaping the rewards whilst we are complaining week after week why RLC and Jorginho continue to start. And you think we are good enough to finish too 4? 

We're good enough to compete for it. We got 74 points last year, 65-70 would be decent enough this year, which would be around 5th.

 

We're not even getting top 6 at this rate or even close to it. We've won 11 points in the 8 games since Potter took over, and the performances have only been getting worse not better.

2 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

We're good enough to compete for it. We got 74 points last year, 65-70 would be decent enough this year, which would be around 5th.

 

We're not even getting top 6 at this rate or even close to it. We've won 11 points in the 8 games since Potter took over, and the performances have only been getting worse not better.

We relied heavily on our defensive solidity and Chilwell and James being freaks of nature until February. The moment our defensive organization went to sh*t, we looked lost and it’s carried on since then. 
 

If you think we are good enough then plain and simple I don’t want to read any posts saying why player X, Y, Z are starting.

I think the job is just too big for Potter.

His press conference makes me think that he is coaching Brighton rather than Chelsea, a club that should be fighting for every single trophy available. 

If we win 0 trophies at the end of the season and finish outside top 4, I think he should be sacked. It is unacceptable to have 270m spent in the summer and finish outside top 4 and winning 0 trophies.

Todd should sack himself from the chairman post too, he completely messed up the summer transfer window because he stubbornly put himself in charge instead of hiring a complement football director. 

The one thing I would let him off on is this squad is not a Chelsea squad.  I’m talking about quality. 
 

If you asked people to pick a team from other era’s you would get 8-10 of the same players. This current squad I still don’t know what our best starting 11 is. People have differing opinions on so many players. We get frustrated with one bring him off and the replacement is the same

Pulisic, Ziyech, Havertz, Sterling, Mount. Two wide places up for grabs and impossible for people to agree. That’s just two positions, you could do the same in midfield, defence and goalkeeper 

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

We relied heavily on our defensive solidity and Chilwell and James being freaks of nature until February. The moment our defensive organization went to sh*t, we looked lost and it’s carried on since then. 
 

If you think we are good enough then plain and simple I don’t want to read any posts saying why player X, Y, Z are starting.

I agree the last few months weren't great but there was still a clear structure to the team that seems non existent now. What even was the gameplan against Newcastle and Arsenal? 

Just now, Drogba1 said:

I agree the last few months weren't great but there was still a clear structure to the team that seems non existent now. What even was the gameplan against Newcastle and Arsenal? 

f**k if I know. 
 

The bare minimum that is required from Potter after the WC is some assertion. We need to see what he wants. 

And tbh, after getting dominated 5 games in a row by Aston Villa, Brentford, Man United, Brighton and Newcastle, Potter STILL INSIST on passing OUT FROM THE BACK, WTF?

we have a bunch of players who had passing skills of macclesfield town but insist on passing out from the back like prime Barcelona and cause a lot of trouble for no reason, STOP PASSING OUT FROM THE BACK FFS

People keep blaming the players.

Yet side after side looks superior and more coherent than us who have lesser players. Newcastle being the latest. It's night and day.

I do think the roster is lopsided and we've spent too much in certain areas and not enough in others. Midfield should be the biggest focus along with striker.

But these players we do have are better than they're showing as a unit collectively. And if and when they move on to other clubs their talent will show again. 

8 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

I agree the last few months weren't great but there was still a clear structure to the team that seems non existent now. What even was the gameplan against Newcastle and Arsenal? 

The puzzle for me is how come the Brighton players understood what Potter wanted , and understood the system and tactics, and were able to implement it and play a wonderful style of football ?

if they could get on board with it, how come our lot seem disinterested ?.

Hmm so since Aston Villa we have managed 2 goals from outfield play, 2 goals for set pieces (one a pen) in 7 domestic games, and only again City looked a threat at times.

Just now, axman2526 said:

Hmm so since Aston Villa we have managed 2 goals from outfield play, 2 goals for set pieces (one a pen) in 7 domestic games, and only again City looked a threat at times.

But Tuchel's football was too negative apparently 🙄

2 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

The puzzle for me is how come the Brighton players understood what Potter wanted , and understood the system and tactics, and were able to implement it and play a wonderful style of football ?

if they could get on board with it, how come our lot seem disinterested ?.

Might have had something to do with them having some time to learn it...

Serious question, will people who want Potter out back the next manager if he gets sacked? Because for the past seasons the same thing is constantly said by the fans - "patience, we must be patient, blah, blah, blah..." and then a few results don't go our way and it's "these results can't go on, must be sacked" etc. If we cannot structure the club properly to bring in a manager and through thick and thin support him, then we are constantly back to square one, season after season. I'm sick and tired of a manager coming in, then a few months to a season down the line people are calling for his head. I am wondering if there are fans that actually want a stable club because they certainly don't sound like they do a lot of the time. 

2 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Might have had something to do with them having some time to learn it...

Yes ! Potter needs time