10 minutes ago, just said:

CFC forever. But obviously not in the late 70s, 80's and early 90s. I assume you missed the glory of the ZDS cup.

You should change your name to "CFC fairly recently" or "CFC hugely entitled"

In his defense surely that should be scaled for the squad we have?

I was very young in the early 90s but a combination of my uncle and being pretty clued on for my age knew we were doing as well as we could be doing given the squad at our disposal. If we had the worse squad in the league but finished 4th bottom I'd want a statue of the manager, someone finishes there with this squad and they're the worst manager in our history.

This squad maybe too flawed for a title challenge but shouldn't be looking like this. I'll balance it by saying I haven't totally turned on Potter and there has been stuff about him I like but he needs to sort this league form out, if not (straight away) by results certainly performance.

28 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

If it is someone who had the pedigree and history of success, sure I can wait and give them time

 

What had Potter achieve in his career to suggest that he is a Chelsea manager? Literally nothing

I always see people mentioning this, but the reality is that fans will pick and choose what they want to see from a manager's CV. When Tuchel first came people didn't take the trophies he had won seriously because it was a "farmer's league". Only after he won the UCL did people take him seriously. If Pep came and he had a bad start you'd see fans say that he isn't a good manager because he took over Bayern and City when they were already top and established. I don't agree that people will magically give a manager time even if they had h history of success. Fans are fickle and they will always be able to craft some reason to undermine a manager's history if they don't like said manager. Liverpool fans turning on Klopp earlier in the season is a good example.

Edited November 12, 20223 yr by Frankie8Lampard

12 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I wonder if these same excuses would have been made for Tuchel. Actually, I don't need to wonder, because I already know. Some people were already calling for him to be sacked once they realised top 4 would be massive struggle this season, so there is no chance they would have stuck by him if he had us sitting mid table.

I wasn't happy when Tuchel was sacked, but then no manager ever gets enough time at this club. Mourinho the first time around didn't, neither did Carlo, neither did Mourinho the second time around, neither did Conte, the list goes on. It's the same old, same old. I don't believe firing managers is a good idea unless we are in an unfixable situation, Potter has literally been here for two months, which is no time at all given he was thrown into a sh*t situation to begin with. 

If he had been given a full pre-season, a transfer window, along with very few injuries to key players, and we were 6-8 months down the line and things were still not going well then sure he could be questioned, but he's had a lot go against him and he's been chucked in at the deep end and being harshly judged given the circumstances he came to the club under. But it's not my club and if Boehly and co decided he must go then it is what it is, but he at least needs much more time. Unfortunately, there's always a lot of pressure on coaches at this club to do so much that a period of poor form is always put under the microscope and questioned by everyone. 

3 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I always see people mentioning this, but the reality is that fans will pick and choose what they want to see from a manager's CV. When Tuchel first came people didn't take the trophies he had won seriously because it was a "farmer's league". Only after he won the UCL did people take him seriously. If Pep came and he had a bad start you'd see fans say that he isn't a good manager because he took over Bayern and City when they were already top and established. I don't agree that people will magically give a manager time even if they had h history of success. Fans are fickle and they will always be able to craft some reason to undermine a manager's history if they don't like said manager. Liverpool fans turning on Klopp earlier in the season is a good example.

Honestly, I don't think any coach will ever be good enough. Every coach we have is eventually scrutinised and doubted. It always happens at Chelsea. 

3 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

14 shots 61% possession vs Leeds

10 shots 68% possession vs Southampton

15 shots 69% possession vs Zagreb

vs

5 shots  51% possession vs Newcastle

5 shots  44% posesssion vs Arsenal

 

Those games you referred to were the worst in Tuchel's 3 years in charge, and they were all objectively better than the sh*t we're seeing now. We controlled all those games and created chances, the tactics we're fine, our attackers are just poor. We aren't creating anything under Potter, it's some of the most negative football we've played in years.

 

 

Yeah it's not good but for 20 years our success was driven by RAs wealth.

that's gone, now we have to find a different way of doing things, I to take time, we may not be a top EPL team anymore, maybe a cup now and then.

you know, there was a time before RA, and some of it was very enjoyable, some was dreadful, but that's just Chelsea really

2 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Yeah it's not good but for 20 years our success was driven by RAs wealth.

that's gone, now we have to find a different way of doing things, I to take time, we may not be a top EPL team anymore, maybe a cup now and then.

you know, there was a time before RA, and some of it was very enjoyable, some was dreadful, but that's just Chelsea really

Boehly's splashing more money than RA has in recent years. It's just his decision making has been awful, in terms of who we've spent the money on, but most of all sacking Tuchel 6 games into the season.

34 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

You think Graham Potter is going to have us top of the league in 3 years? By playing an even more negative version of Tuchel ball?

I don't know mate , his Brighton team didn't play a negative version of Tuchel ball though.

The entitlement is endemic. So much so that people think they don’t have it when they do.

We take so much for granted. Phrases we routinely use such as “we need to get rid of x and buy [insert expensive, world-class player], or “we need to get rid of the manager and hire [insert favourite world-beating manager]”, “we need to ship off our attack, strengthen the midfield” and all variations of it are a symptom of that entitlement. There was a time when we didn’t have that luxury and didn’t speak like that . Most football  fans don’t have the luxury. It could be that we simply rejoin their ranks, and if we do we have to accept it just as those other fans do. 

2 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Boehly's splashing more money than RA has in recent years. It's just his decision making has been awful, in terms of who we've spent the money on, but most of all sacking Tuchel 6 games into the season.

And Potter has to work with those awful decisions

Still yet to see an alternative name put forward...

1 minute ago, bisright1 said:

Still yet to see an alternative name put forward...

Tuchel?

1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

Tuchel?

It’s just not tenable now

Just now, Dean said:

It’s just not tenable now

Yeah I can't see Boehly admitting he made a mistake either. It's sacking him was such a bad idea, there's hardly any managers available on his level. 

2 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Yeah I can't see Boehly admitting he made a mistake either. It's sacking him was such a bad idea, there's hardly any managers available on his level. 

I think if Germany/Spain flop at the World Cup Hansi Flick/Luis Enrique could be options.  I wouldn't mind Bielsa as a caretaker, 8 months of kamikaze football would at least be fun to watch. Spaletti is doing a great job with Napoli but I doubt we could poach him mid season

 

Realistically I can't see Potter getting sacked though, Boehly seems the type to double down on decisions he makes, unless we're in the bottom half Potter will probably get the whole season at least.

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1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

Yeah I can't see Boehly admitting he made a mistake either. It's sacking him was such a bad idea, there's hardly any managers available on his level. 

Yeah and no way would Tuchel want to rejoin with boehly at the helm. 

20 minutes ago, Argo said:

In his defense surely that should be scaled for the squad we have?

I was very young in the early 90s but a combination of my uncle and being pretty clued on for my age knew we were doing as well as we could be doing given the squad at our disposal. If we had the worse squad in the league but finished 4th bottom I'd want a statue of the manager, someone finishes there with this squad and they're the worst manager in our history.

This squad maybe too flawed for a title challenge but shouldn't be looking like this. I'll balance it by saying I haven't totally turned on Potter and there has been stuff about him I like but he needs to sort this league form out, if not (straight away) by results certainly performance.

Scaled for the squad, the owners, the money power we have, the manager and then let's not forget the current injury list.

@Deanmade the point earlier this week that we will probably never compete on a level playing field with the petro-chem country backed clubs. I agree. City for example could, if they really wanted to, spend half a billion to buy a player and not bat an eyelid.

So our recent history of winning trophies is not guaranteed and success in football, as we know from past experience, is often cyclical. If we were in a two or three horse league like Germany or France different story. But not in the EPL. The richest, most competitive league in the world.

 

43 minutes ago, just said:

Wow 1997. The year we won the FA Cup. After 26 years of nothing. You've never seen mediocrity mate. Only decades of success. So "CFC hugely entitled" it is then.

I can’t  control when I was born and 1997 is the earliest I can comprehend what a football match is

just because I don’t have the chance to go through the worst period of Chelsea doesn’t mean I have to accept mediocrity, get out with that loser mentality 

3 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

I can’t  control when I was born and 1997 is the earliest I can comprehend what a football match is

just because I don’t have the chance to go through the worst period of Chelsea doesn’t mean I have to accept mediocrity, get out with that loser mentality 

What will you do then? If we finished 8th for example. Go and support someone else? Give up football? Follow netball?

The amount of people who are willing to accept mediocrity is stunning and appalling 

if we have the budget of Norwich city Nottingham forest I can understand why we should adjust our expectations, back when those days in late 90s when we won a league cup I celebrated like a mad kid because I know that’s our level

However, nowadays we have one of the highest revenue in the world , one of the most expensive squad and highest wage bill and some fans could just accept ‘well it is what it is and we might never challenge the title again and this maybe just our rank from now on’ and completely ignore the fact that given our investment we should be fighting for top2 and cl every single year. 

4 minutes ago, just said:

What will you do then? If we finished 8th for example. Go and support someone else? Give up football? Follow netball?

I am not going to support any other team but as a fan I definitely have the right to be disappointed, angry, furious, annoyed, disgusted and enraged with our performance if we finished 8th and demand a change of the management.

2 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

The amount of people who are willing to accept mediocrity is stunning and appalling 

if we have the budget of Norwich city Nottingham forest I can understand why we should adjust our expectations, back when those days in late 90s when we won a league cup I celebrated like a mad kid because I know that’s our level

However, nowadays we have one of the highest revenue in the world , one of the most expensive squad and highest wage bill and some fans could just accept ‘well it is what it is and we might never challenge the title again and this maybe just our rank from now on’ and completely ignore the fact that given our investment we should be fighting for top2 and cl every single year. 

I don't think people are 'accepting mediocrity'. The reality is that it isn't 2005 to 2012 anymore where us and united were the only teams competing for the title. Other clubs have come along and because of poor decisions we've made in the last decade, we've fallen behind. We are trying to build something to make us a title challenger again and that might take a while. Expecting CL and PL titles every season with our club's current state is naive. 

Champions league winner but for penalties and var could have had three domestic trophies. I'll stop there because put all of that to one side and remember what Tuchel did as a fighurehead for the club no manager has ever been put in an almost impossible situation where he's not talking about tactics but geopolitics where the media and the poxy government are revelling in our almost demise Tuchel was f**king magnificent no bland answers or like Eddie Howe refusal too talk about anything but 4-4-2 etc.

Potter isn't good enough he's so out out of his depth he's probably got the bends and I'm so ambivalent to him that if he gets sacked come February then so be it. We're all Chelsea here doesn't matter if you go home and away never been to a football match in your life these are the Chelsea who should be celebrated doesn't matter how crap we are the 600 at Boro proper Chelsea who always KTBFGH.

 

 

Just now, Frankie8Lampard said:

I don't think people are 'accepting mediocrity'. The reality is that it isn't 2005 to 2012 anymore where us and united were the only teams competing for the title. Other clubs have come along and because of poor decisions we've made in the last decade, we've fallen behind. We are trying to build something to make us a title challenger again and that might take a while. Expecting CL and PL titles every season with our club's current state is naive. 

It has been 6 years since we challenge the title…it will soon be 10 years if this continues

2 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

It has been 6 years since we challenge the title…it will soon be 10 years if this continues

Which is exactly why we have to try something new. Clearly our model of hiring and firing managers stopped working in the league

37 minutes ago, Dean said:

It’s just not tenable now

I agree bring back the err big man