4 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

The puzzle for me is how come the Brighton players understood what Potter wanted , and understood the system and tactics, and were able to implement it and play a wonderful style of football ?

if they could get on board with it, how come our lot seem disinterested ?.

It did help that they were given time without pressure. The problem is, whenever a coach goes through a tough period at Chelsea, every man and his dog starts questioning the coach. Then fans wonder why we can't get near the title. The two clubs who have been able to win a title and challenge over the past 5 seasons have, surprise, surprise, been the clubs with a stable coach at the helm. Meanwhile the joke that is Chelsea football club is like a turnstile for coaches, one in, one out, shake it all about. 

2 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

The puzzle for me is how come the Brighton players understood what Potter wanted , and understood the system and tactics, and were able to implement it and play a wonderful style of football ?

if they could get on board with it, how come our lot seem disinterested ?.

I'm not sure Brighton's football was that wonderful. Even in their best season they were one of the lowest scoring teams. I think highlight reels make them look a lot better than they were (at least they did for me). Also at a club like Brighton opposing teams will be less wary and give them a lot more space than they do for us, which makes it easier to score. Tuchel was playing against 10 man buses week in week out.

 

Tuchel said recently in an interview 'players won't trust the process without results'. In big games at least our squad was ready to run through brick walls for Tuchel, part of that was because players believed in the system and believed they could win, even against the best teams like Real Madrid and City who were objectively better than us. I don't think that's the case with Potter.

3 minutes ago, enigma said:

Serious question, will people who want Potter out back the next manager if he gets sacked? Because for the past seasons the same thing is constantly said by the fans - "patience, we must be patient, blah, blah, blah..." and then a few results don't go our way and it's "these results can't go on, must be sacked" etc. If we cannot structure the club properly to bring in a manager and through thick and thin support him, then we are constantly back to square one, season after season. I'm sick and tired of a manager coming in, then a few months to a season down the line people are calling for his head. I am wondering if there are fans that actually want a stable club because they certainly don't sound like they do a lot of the time. 

If it is someone who had the pedigree and history of success, sure I can wait and give them time

 

What had Potter achieve in his career to suggest that he is a Chelsea manager? Literally nothing

The Shed End forum is starting to sound like the worst of Arsenal Fan TV😀😀

I see they are top of the league , yet their fans wanted Arteta sacked not that long ago..

 

 

1 minute ago, enigma said:

It did help that they were given time without pressure. The problem is, whenever a coach goes through a tough period at Chelsea, every man and his dog starts questioning the coach. Then fans wonder why we can't get near the title. The two clubs who have been able to win a title and challenge over the past 5 seasons have, surprise, surprise, been the clubs with a stable coach at the helm. Meanwhile the joke that is Chelsea football club is like a turnstile for coaches, one in, one out, shake it all about. 

Why wasn't that same faith you're asking for given to Tuchel though? It was clear the squad was in a bad patch and he wasn't given a chance at all.

2 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

The Shed End forum is starting to sound like the worst of Arsenal Fan TV😀😀

I see they are top of the league , yet their fans wanted Arteta sacked not that long ago..

 

 

I will NEVER EVER accept finishing 8th 2 season in a row, and no CL football for 3 years

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2 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

The Shed End forum is starting to sound like the worst of Arsenal Fan TV😀😀

I see they are top of the league , yet their fans wanted Arteta sacked not that long ago..

 

 

You think Graham Potter is going to have us top of the league in 3 years? By playing an even more negative version of Tuchel ball?

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1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

You think Graham Potter is going to have us top of the league in 3 years? By playing an even more negative version of Tuchel ball?

Top of the championship, maybe.

2 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

If it is someone who had the pedigree and history of success, sure I can wait and give them time

 

What had Potter achieve in his career to suggest that he is a Chelsea manager? Literally nothing

We had coaches with previous success, how did that work out for us again? Oh yeah, two titles in 12 seasons and the occasional cup. I'd rather become a stable club like City or Liverpool and actually challenge every season. We've been through every single top manager in Europe, pretty much. I wouldn't be surprised if Potter did get fired as that's what this club has become. We are a joke club. It's no surprise that us and Man Utd are unstable as we've both been searching for the perfect manager, but there doesn't ever seem to be one with this club. 

Both Arsenal and Newcastle are reaping the rewards of being patient with Arteta and Howe after both had horrid starts. 
 

8 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Why wasn't that same faith you're asking for given to Tuchel though? It was clear the squad was in a bad patch and he wasn't given a chance at all.

I dunno. Ask the owner. Roman Abramovich gave very little time to any previous manager despite winning the league multiple times with those ones. It's the same old story at this club. It's become tedious now and I'm fed up with it all. I'm not going to change the club I support so I'm stuck with this merry go round BS.

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Potter mentioned after the game we see the difference between us playing so many games and Newcastle being free most midweek.

Well at this rate we won't have European football next season so let's see how you do with the Graham.

I have wanted a squad clear out for a long time though so I will happily go along with the Potter process and see where it takes us.

2 minutes ago, enigma said:

We had coaches with previous success, how did that work out for us again? Oh yeah, two titles in 12 seasons and the occasional cup. I'd rather become a stable club like City or Liverpool and actually challenge every season. We've been through every single top manager in Europe, pretty much. I wouldn't be surprised if Potter did get fired as that's what this club has become. We are a joke club. It's no surprise that us and Man Utd are unstable as we've both been searching for the perfect manager, but there doesn't ever seem to be one with this club. 

Tuchel was pretty close to a perfect manager for us. Throw liverpool or Tottenham's attack into our squad and we would have easily been title challengers under him

1 minute ago, enigma said:

We had coaches with previous success, how did that work out for us again? Oh yeah, two titles in 12 seasons and the occasional cup. I'd rather become a stable club like City or Liverpool and actually challenge every season. We've been through every single top manager in Europe, pretty much. I wouldn't be surprised if Potter did get fired as that's what this club has become. We are a joke club. It's no surprise that us and Man Utd are unstable as we've both been searching for the perfect manager, but there doesn't ever seem to be one with this club. 

If Arsenal didnt win the league title this season it would be their 4th season in a row with Arteta while winning jack sh*t besides a disgraceful FA cup that they shouldnt have won. 

Unless you got the right coach like Pep AND backing him with unlimited money you dont really have the option to stuck with the same manager just for the sake of not sacking someone. Liverpool owner doesnt give a sh*t about success and anything Klopp won is a bonus for them, because they dont want to spend big to compete with Man City, and we dont want owners like that

45 minutes ago, enigma said:

I do not blame Potter whatsoever for this mess. We were in a mess before him, so it's no surprise we are in a mess now. Signing average players hasn't helped. Brighton had a good, solid structure in place with Potter at the helm. Meanwhile, we lose our two-decade long owner earlier this year and a new ownership comes in. There is so much wrong with the club that I hope gets fixed. Potter isn't the problem and even if, like a few posters here so desperately want, Potter was to get fired, a new coach isn't going to change much at all as the issues run much deeper than the coach. We've been saying for a long time that the occasional cup win has masked over just how underwhelming we've been. Two titles in 12 seasons isn't good enough. The same has been said over and over, but we are under 5 months into new ownership. Things have been and will continue to be difficult for a while yet, so we need to expect a bumpy ride.

I wonder if these same excuses would have been made for Tuchel. Actually, I don't need to wonder, because I already know. Some people were already calling for him to be sacked once they realised top 4 would be massive struggle this season, so there is no chance they would have stuck by him if he had us sitting mid table.

4 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

I will NEVER EVER accept finishing 8th 2 season in a row, and no CL football for 3 years

CFC forever. But obviously not in the late 70s, 80's and early 90s. I assume you missed the glory of the ZDS cup.

You should change your name to "CFC fairly recently" or "CFC hugely entitled"

Just now, Scott Harris said:

I wonder if these same excuses would have been made for Tuchel. Actually, I don't need to wonder, because I already know. Some people were already calling for him to be sacked once they realised top 4 would be massive struggle this season, so there is no chance they would have stuck by him if he had us sitting mid table.

Exactly, the difference in standards given to Tuchel and Potter is ridiculous. 

6 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

I'm not sure Brighton's football was that wonderful. Even in their best season they were one of the lowest scoring teams. I think highlight reels make them look a lot better than they were (at least they did for me). Also at a club like Brighton opposing teams will be less wary and give them a lot more space than they do for us, which makes it easier to score. Tuchel was playing against 10 man buses week in week out.

 

Tuchel said recently in an interview 'players won't trust the process without results'. In big games at least our squad was ready to run through brick walls for Tuchel, part of that was because players believed in the system and believed they could win, even against the best teams like Real Madrid and City who were objectively better than us. I don't think that's the case with Potter.

 

9 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

I'm not sure Brighton's football was that wonderful. Even in their best season they were one of the lowest scoring teams. I think highlight reels make them look a lot better than they were (at least they did for me). Also at a club like Brighton opposing teams will be less wary and give them a lot more space than they do for us, which makes it easier to score. Tuchel was playing against 10 man buses week in week out.

 

Tuchel said recently in an interview 'players won't trust the process without results'. In big games at least our squad was ready to run through brick walls for Tuchel, part of that was because players believed in the system and believed they could win, even against the best teams like Real Madrid and City who were objectively better than us. I don't think that's the case with Potter.

Those players who believed in the system lost to Leeds, Saints, Zagreb, before Tuchel got the bullet and played some of the dullest , tedious football I have ever seen.

2 minutes ago, just said:

CFC forever. But obviously not in the late 70s, 80's and early 90s. I assume you missed the glory of the ZDS cup.

You should change your name to "CFC fairly recently" or "CFC hugely entitled"

I supported Chelsea since 1997, I dont ask for titles every season back then because we arent as big as Man United, Arsenal or Liverpool.

but this is 2022, and my expectation changes accordingly, so sorry for not accepting mediocrity anymore 

My grudge is with Boehly, Potter couldn't possibly turn the chance down when he was offered 5 years. It's still early in his 5 years career, but for most managers after these many games we get an idea of how he's going to play, I struggled to tell with Potter. All I could see is he really likes offensive players at wing backs. Call it a process or whatever, but even a process should yield some results, anyone could do this job if results don't matter, right? I have never seen a time where results and performance are so bad, people are still raving about process ( not even performance anymore). Arsenal did what they had to do because they were low, we finished in top 4 ( whether people acknowledge that achievement or not), we need stable progress, NOT a reset to build another Brighton. Then I realized to build another Brighton in Boehly's vision, maybe we do need to follow their journey, drop to the bottom and move up slowly.

I can give a manager patience, if it is the right person and they are showing signs that they at least know what they are doing and have some vague plan for the future.

We could have given AVB time. We could have given Lampard time. We could have given Scolari or Avram Grant time. But they were not the right managers to succeed. I don't believe Potter is either, based on what I've seen so far.

Am much as I complain let me be clear I DO NOT EANT HIM SACKED.

Potter is not the problem the clubs has ingrained issue for years and our cup wins has masked it. 

Until we give a manager the chance to mould the squad we will not win another league title.

Look at what Eddie Howe has done with Newcastle in one year.

We are Chelsea we will always attract big stars we need a reset in expectations for the near future.

Some fans will just have to get used to this pain for the foreseeable future.

3 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

I supported Chelsea since 1997, I dont ask for titles every season back then because we arent as big as Man United, Arsenal or Liverpool.

but this is 2022, and my expectation changes accordingly, so sorry for not accepting mediocrity anymore 

Wow 1997. The year we won the FA Cup. After 26 years of nothing. You've never seen mediocrity mate. Only decades of success. So "CFC hugely entitled" it is then.

13 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

 

Those players who believed in the system lost to Leeds, Saints, Zagreb, before Tuchel got the bullet and played some of the dullest , tedious football I have ever seen.

14 shots 61% possession vs Leeds

10 shots 68% possession vs Southampton

15 shots 69% possession vs Zagreb

vs

5 shots  51% possession vs Newcastle

5 shots  44% posesssion vs Arsenal

 

Those games you referred to were the worst in Tuchel's 3 years in charge, and they were all objectively better than the sh*t we're seeing now. We controlled all those games and created chances, the tactics were fine, our attackers are just poor. We aren't creating anything under Potter, it's some of the most negative football we've played in years.

 

 

Edited November 12, 20223 yr by Drogba1

11 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

I will NEVER EVER accept finishing 8th 2 season in a row, and no CL football for 3 years

We've been a LOT worse than that in the past mate..    But it's still our team , and we still supported them,  whether or not you accept it, what you gonna do ?

Anyway, no point in getting worked up about something that hasn't even happened , 😀😀😀😀😀😀