Jurgen Klopp is the best manager in the world, completely turned Liverpool around. We should have given Tuchel more time, they were below us in the league when he was sacked

Just now, Drogba1 said:

Honestly, AVB had a really hard job when he came in, he gets viewed too harshly. Most of our squad were past their prime (and players like Lampard admitted to not playing for him), plus we had a misfiring Torres up front. He had us 5th when he was sacked if I remember, compared to the job Potter's doing now he wasn't half bad at all

AVB was also here to completely change the system, to play with a high line and fast-paced football, and he had two very slow defenders to do that with JT and Alex, top that off with no wingbacks, an ageing Cole, a slow Ivanovic, and Bosingwa ffs. Then who were his wingers? Kalou, Anelka, and Malouda? Kalou was Kalou and Anelka and Malouda lost their pace. Hardly anybody in the team could play the football he wanted to play.

We tried to get players from Porto to play with him, chased Perreira didn't get him, chased Hulk didn't get him. And we chased Modric all season just to end up with Raul Meireles last minute. I would say the Board completely botched that appointment by not giving him the correct resources to work with. 

And in fairness, he did a great job with Daniel Sturridge giving him the Hulk role in the team, easily the best Sturridge ever played here. And Torres at one point was firing but he kept making stupid mistakes, scored against Swansea having a great game then got himself sent off which we still won 5-1. 

AVB hasn't done anything in his career since getting sacked, so it has aged well, but people like to pretend he had an easy job here. He had it very hard, a big reason we signed him because we wanted the special one v2, and AVB played "sexy football" according to Roman (Bruce Bucks words). 

Obviously, the team went on to win the CL and FA Cup under Di Matteo, but that was a team at the last stage of their careers having their swan song, and let's be honest, we had a lot of f**king luck winning it, we got outplayed by Barca both legs and Bayern, could barely get out of our half. 

Honestly think AVB is a good coach, but he's just far too ignorant to be a top manager. Particular when it comes to managing players and adaptability in tactics. (Terry/Ivanvoic high line with no midfield protection will never escape me). 

 

 

 

I know we're awful but can we take a second here to all laugh at United 😂😂😂

Klopp showing how to bled young players in unlike the novice we have in charge who plays them for 45 mins one match none the next, 10 after that and 90 again. 

crazy result for them.. what a manager Klopp!

I personally liked how even though Liverpool are in poor form, they didn't stop after 1 goal against their bitter rival that were running on a high. 

As opposed to shutting up shop in the 60 minute, at home, against a relegation fodder. 

20 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

I know we're awful but can we take a second here to all laugh at United 😂😂😂

I wish I could.

Then I'm reminded Liverpool have just scored as many goals in 1 game as we have since the end of October and I just can't.

I'm starting to think the scoreboard at the bridge would malfunction if we score twice in a game.  It's in Binary at this point.

Edited March 5, 20233 yr by TimesUpPotter

13 hours ago, just said:

Sarriball original ideas Dean? You obviously never saw the Rinus Michels Ajax team of the 1970's. It was where the phrase "Total Football" comes from!

So much revisionism about our year of Sarriball occurs on here IMO. Most of the time the football was boring to the point of being sleep inducing, with some players openly admitting they were confused by his training methods and weren't clear on what he was trying to achieve. That's hardly surprising IMO as he never came across as a charismatic personality and fluent communicator. And then of course there is also the fact that the football and the players he made  successful in Serie A may not have been such a good fit in the much faster, higher tempo EPL. Gonzalo Higuain anybody?

Also agree with @Blueboys. I too did not see this alleged big improvement towards the end of his reign. The last 5 games of the season only saw us win one game. That run included a 2-2 home draw with Burnley! We got 3rd place because Tottenham and Arsenal imploded, rather than our Sarriball reaching new heights.

 

 

I know what total football was Just :). Is it really the same thing though? 

anyway look. I know I’m not going to make you like Sarri. I don’t love him, I don’t think he was the right fit for Chelsea and indeed he left of his own volition , so it’s kind of academic.

 

I just think he’s given excessively short shrift by a lot of our fans. there’s something about him that really didn’t appeal. People have been a lot more generous to Potter, cut him a lot more slack, and I don’t think Sarri was dealt a better hand. The opposite if anything.
 

Re not being a good communicator - sure. Have you ever tried running an operation in a language you can hardly speak though? This was quite a handicap, which none of the detractors seem willing to acknowledge. Of course he’s less charismatic in English than Italian. 

The other under-appreciated point imo is that he entered the world of football with basically zero starting capital - A nobody in the football world. When I watch my 10 year old’s league I’m really impressed by some of the coaches. When you think about how many levels below that is, it’s pretty amazing what Sarri achieved. He took a big risk too. Shouldn’t that story alone temper some of the hate and inspire SOME admiration? I mean - that can’t be a fluke, and he can’t have done that without charisma. 
 

To judge his merits as a coach during his tenure at Chelsea, when you strip out our respective biases, I’d say neither of us has enough proof really. Would have needed another season, and the consensus was willing to give him that iirc. Then he decided to leave. Wasn’t a good match and wasn’t to be.  I accept that and probably won’t say more on it. 

34 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

I know we're awful but can we take a second here to all laugh at United 😂😂😂

😂The issue with it though is the beneficiary on the other side of it 😑 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Maybe because he was getting sh*t and boos from the home support every match week? I find it utterly incredible how Sarri was genuinely tasked to change the entire philosophy and culture of the club, and the fans who wanted him out midseason are now ironically telling us to be patient with Potter. 

Unlike Potter, I could see what Sarri wanted to do DAY 1. He had assurance in the football he wanted to implement and he stuck by it, which led to one of the best European nights in the club's history. Matter of fact, he laid the foundation for this club to play in a progressive manner that led Tuchel to being able to manage this team to run circles around Real Madrid and dominate City in the Champions League final. 

f**k me. Let's not be patient with Sarri, who literally had to change everything, but let's be patient with Potter. 😄

Why do you think that those who wanted Sarri out want Potter to stay ?. Is it based on this forum?

I could understand if that's the case

I usually want Liverpool to lose but the recent crowing and preening from Utd fans made this a satisfactory and comedic result

 

1 hour ago, Kev56 said:

It really is becoming boringly monotonous.

That's an accurate description of the way we play.. 

24 minutes ago, Dean said:

I know what total football was Just :). Is it really the same thing though? 

anyway look. I know I’m not going to make you like Sarri. I don’t love him, I don’t think he was the right fit for Chelsea and indeed he left of his own volition , so it’s kind of academic.

 

I just think he’s given excessively short shrift by a lot of our fans. there’s something about him that really didn’t appeal. People have been a lot more generous to Potter, cut him a lot more slack, and I don’t think Sarri was dealt a better hand. The opposite if anything.
 

Re not being a good communicator - sure. Have you ever tried running an operation in a language you can hardly speak though? This was quite a handicap, which none of the detractors seem willing to acknowledge. Of course he’s less charismatic in English than Italian. 

The other under-appreciated point imo is that he entered the world of football with basically zero starting capital - A nobody in the football world. When I watch my 10 year old’s league I’m really impressed by some of the coaches. When you think about how many levels below that is, it’s pretty amazing what Sarri achieved. He took a big risk too. Shouldn’t that story alone temper some of the hate and inspire SOME admiration? I mean - that can’t be a fluke, and he can’t have done that without charisma. 
 

To judge his merits as a coach during his tenure at Chelsea, when you strip out our respective biases, I’d say neither of us has enough proof really. Would have needed another season, and the consensus was willing to give him that iirc. Then he decided to leave. Wasn’t a good match and wasn’t to be.  I accept that and probably won’t say more on it. 

I hated the way we played under Sarri, but I was aware that his previous teams had played great football. , Read lots of praise in media before he came.

Yeah , maybe in time it would have worked and the way Kepa behaved at Wembley was a  disgrace and I felt sorry and upset for the man.

Football is full of opinions though, its what fuels us fans .

Cheers

The thing with Sarri was that even if he didn't work out in the long run, his football would set the foundation of the cultural shift this club needed. I believed at the time that when Sarri did inevitably leave, the team would be ready for another progressive manager to come in. 

Edited March 5, 20233 yr by Sconnie Blue

5 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The thing with Sarri was that even if he didn't work out in the long run, his football would set the foundation of the cultural shift this club needed. I believed at the time that when Sarri did inevitably leave, the team would be ready for another progressive manager to come in. 

Think the foundations that Sarri set were one of the main reasons Lampard's first season went so well to be honest, especially when you look at his time with Everton.

5 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Think the foundations that Sarri set were one of the main reasons Lampard's first season went so well to be honest, especially when you look at his time with Everton.

That's true. 

The Kovacic, Mount, Jorginho midfield three played some utterly fantastic stuff at times and I couldn't help but feel Sarri's influence was a part of it. You then have Tuchel and our midfield and defence being able to retain the ball out of a press. 

Edited March 5, 20233 yr by Sconnie Blue

2 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Think the foundations that Sarri set were one of the main reasons Lampard's first season went so well to be honest, especially when you look at his time with Everton.

Sarri overcame some mid-season challenges to finish quite strongly that season. Certainly it was a stylish and memorable win over Arsenal in the Europa final. That being said I never got the impression that he left because he had been given a hard time by some of the fans. Pretty sure it had more to do with knowing we had a transfer embargo, and were losing our best player in Hazard.  

10 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Think the foundations that Sarri set were one of the main reasons Lampard's first season went so well to be honest, especially when you look at his time with Everton.

The football suddenly turning eyebleeding and Stoke esque post lockdown was pretty ominous unfortunately.

4 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Sarri overcame some mid-season challenges to finish quite strongly that season. Certainly it was a stylish and memorable win over Arsenal in the Europa final. That being said I never got the impression that he left because he had been given a hard time by some of the fans. Pretty sure it had more to do with knowing we had a transfer embargo, and were losing our best player in Hazard.  

I'm more inclined to believe he didn't want to stay at a club where he didn't feel appreciated as opposed to going back to his home country where he's viewed as one of the coaching elite. 

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I'm more inclined to believe he didn't want to stay at a club where he didn't feel appreciated as opposed to going back to his home country where he's viewed as one of the coaching elite. 

Yeah, his comments after the Europa League win pretty much summed it up,  'Now I have to win something else immediately'.

We've only conceded 1 more league goal under Potter than United have against City and Liverpool alone.

(Before anyone says anything I'm not using it to defend Potter I just found it funny).

2 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I'm more inclined to believe he didn't want to stay at a club where he didn't feel appreciated as opposed to going back to his home country where he's viewed as one of the coaching elite. 

Felt a bit bad for Zola aswell, one of our best players ever returned and was barely acknowledged all season. 

34 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

I hated the way we played under Sarri, but I was aware that his previous teams had played great football. , Read lots of praise in media before he came.

Yeah , maybe in time it would have worked and the way Kepa behaved at Wembley was a  disgrace and I felt sorry and upset for the man.

Football is full of opinions though, its what fuels us fans .

Cheers

Of course 🙂 . Think I even said pretty much the same in my post? 

Kovacic: “I think this formation worked really well, we are used to this system since a long time”.

 

The players seem to like 3-4-3

39 minutes ago, Dean said:

Of course 🙂 . Think I even said pretty much the same in my post? 

Yes, you hated the way we played too. 😁😄😝