25 minutes ago, Lang7 said:

Please stop talking like it was sunshine and rainbows under Mr. Tuchel. The football was rotten for a good 4 months before he got the chop.

Well said! It goes back to December 2021. After the first 10 games of last season we went backwards and Tuchel had no answers. If we hadn’t got off to the great start Arsenal and Spurs would have passed us. This season smelled like 2016 before it started. 

4 minutes ago, Tubbs Tattsyrup said:

Mind you, with some third tier Swedish team, Swansea, and Brighton on your CV, it’s been a dream move for him. Probably quadrupled his wages and got a long contract. Easy money.

Said this all along, he was basically signing a comfortable future for him and his family. Even if he got sacked a week later, he walks away with a hefty sum. Anyone would've done the same and put pen to paper!

1 minute ago, Deino said:

If a good half of football is enough to justify today's performance? 

In both 2nd halves we started on a position of strength. These players don't react poorly to adversities, they have overcame far greater adversities.

If Potter doesn't want certain players that doesn't fit his style, he can always bench them yet he picks almost the same spine every time. 

Can't disagree with the bold, but I stand by what I said that after the WC break, we needed to seem some assurance from Potter. We have. 

We've had this same crop of players for 2.5 years now. We know what we are going to get I'm afraid and some need to accept the reality and pattern recognition. They simply aren't good enough  for a title challenge. 1 good game in 5 from 90% of them. 

 

1 minute ago, Deino said:

The thing is all of us know we don't have the personnel changes yet so why doesn't Potter do anything different? 

Here are things he can do:

1) Recall loanees

2) Play the kids

3) Galvanize the squad

4) Try out/formulate new offensive patterns

He can't send dossiers/documents/files/binders to players during their days off after they got eliminated from the WC? 

Heck, Todd and Eghbali are flying across the world and back spending hundreds of millions to build a better team yet Potter can just fail and fail without making any changes?

All of those things seem good on paper but I highly doubt they will improve the team IMO, we have a good youth team but not every body is going to be a Reece James. Also I've seen the 'play the kids and recall loanees' solution mentioned under so many different Chelsea managers (including WC managers) over the years and the truth is that none of them other than Lampard were brave enough to do it so I highly doubt changing the manager will have that solution be used. The cold hard truth is that our team is sh*t and we need to buy players to improve it.

I agree about 3) and 4)  and hope Potter can do that but I also feel that it isn't just a Potter problem as all of our last three managers struggled to implement those two. Tuchel managed to at least do 3) which led to us winning the Champions League but it only lasted for a few months as others have mentioned before we began playing like sh*t again. A lot of our problems IMO have to do with our players. If Tuchel didn't have these lot he probably would have still had his job. So yes, I still believe changing the manager isn't going to change much.

We have many problems. Maybe if I have lots of free time, I will write a thread about it. 

IMO if we want to get consistent result,we need to go back playing boring 343.

 

51 minutes ago, rocker_joker said:

i have resigned that this season is a write off. looks like we won't be finishing in the top 6 and Arsenal winning the league....

As long as we don't finish 7th!

I think Ziyech should start from here on. He knows how to cross!

50 minutes ago, conor23 said:

He did some good defence today. But true Chilwell and Alonso has some long shots.

Chilly isn't the answer either.

Did he just say unfair to take the 3 points.

Very poor all our  faults were  there to see   Potter  we dont expect a miracle  but are the players you are putting out seriously our best ? am i mistaken but does Potter not have a reputation for getting the best out of players  because our players are getting worse 

50 minutes ago, Stas1 said:

There was a blogger who attended our training session and he was totally appalled at the complete lack of coaching. He witnessed our players f**king about, rolling the ball for a laugh, no effort or exertion  whatsoever, and the coaching stuff not giving two sh*ts, just encouraging this clownery with "Great job, boys!" occasional shouts. I am not surprised to see what you all observe. I am just patiently waiting for Potter to leave the building.

Was it regarded as a 'open' session? Those are never serious.

51 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

Awful, tedious sh*te. Can’t wait for the women’s team to be back in two weeks. 

Did you get your ticket through Chelsea or via Arsenal? I know a lot who didn't wait for the Chelsea allocation and bought from the home club.

36 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Until we fix several parts of the team, these performances will continue regardless of the manager.

Its the manager, not the team. Chelsea can buy Mbappe, Messi and all the best players in the world but with a second rate, no tactics manager,  like Potter they will play crappy football.  Its not about buying good players but having a good manager first and foremost.

i hate this team 😭

11 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

All of those things seem good on paper but I highly doubt they will improve the team IMO, we have a good youth team but not every body is going to be a Reece James. Also I've seen the 'play the kids and recall loanees' solution mentioned under so many different Chelsea managers (including WC managers) over the years and the truth is that none of them other than Lampard were brave enough to do it so I highly doubt changing the manager will have that solution be used. The cold hard truth is that our team is sh*t and we need to buy players to improve it.

I agree about 3) and 4)  and hope Potter can do that but I also feel that it isn't just a Potter problem as all of our last three managers struggled to implement those two. Tuchel managed to at least do 3) which led to us winning the Champions League but it only lasted for a few months as others have mentioned before we began playing like sh*t again. A lot of our problems IMO have to do with our players. If Tuchel didn't have these lot he probably would have still had his job. So yes, I still believe changing the manager isn't going to change much.

You really think these players are that sh*t that they would intentionally play super bad that the team can't even beat mercenary relegation fodders?

If the players are really the problem, why does Potter pick the same spine that have been this mentally/physically weak side? 

Should we just surrender points just because we don't have the right players in yet? 

54 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

1 win in our last 8 in domestic football.

Thats bad.   Potter should be thankful we have patient owners. Old regime he would already be history.

Under the old regime he wouldn't even be here. Roman always went for big name managers. Avram and Bobby Di got the job because they happened to be on the spot. GP wasn't and would not have been considered.

58 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Well that was depressing defeat. Way to ruin new year’s day. How the team managed to lose control of a game against a bottom 3 club is beyond me. Team has a lot of issues all over the place. James is the only good player left in this team and he’s injured.

Understand how you feel, how this result feels, but we didn't lose. 😞 

11 minutes ago, Deino said:

You really think these players are that sh*t that they would intentionally play super bad that the team can't even beat mercenary relegation fodders?

If the players are really the problem, why does Potter pick the same spine that have been this mentally/physically weak side? 

Should we just surrender points just because we don't have the right players in yet? 

I actually believe they are that sh*t because this isn't the first time certain players have done this. We saw the same thing under Lampard and Tuchel and at this point it has become a mentality issue rather than just quality since its affecting other people at the club who were good before they joined us and have gone to sh*t since they started playing with the rotten apples.

I'd love to see Potter change things up too but there aren't really that many options tbf. He just started giving Pulisic chances for example in the last couple of games and he's done f**k all. 

I'm not saying Potter is perfect but the idea that he's so bad that removing him will improve our team is just something I don't believe. Personally, i think 70% of our issues have to do with the players.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Don't think i can handle it, i'm an Ilkeston Town fan for the next few weeks.

There is a place Chelsea fans can go where we don't have to be afraid to watch the football. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62835343

Unfortunately, if you are outside of the UK the video won't play but it's a good read.

2 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I actually believe they are that sh*t because this isn't the first time certain players have done this. We saw the same thing under Lampard and Tuchel and at this point it has become a mentality issue rather than just quality since its affecting other people at the club who were good before they joined us and have gone to sh*t since they started playing with the rotten apples.

I'd love to see Potter change things up too but there aren't really that many options tbf. He just started giving Pulisic chances for example in the last couple of games and he's done f**k all. 

I'm not saying Potter is perfect but the idea that he's so bad that removing him will improve our team is just something I don't believe. Personally, i think 70% of our issues have to do with the players.

I mean we saw the same thing under Sarri and Conte even. 

26 minutes ago, Lang7 said:

So football manager Thomas Tuchel shouldn’t be judged on his ability to manage a football team first and foremost?

Would I have sacked TT 10 games in to a season after giving him £200M to spend? No, I’d have sacked him in the summer given the horrendous standard of football we’d been playing for well over 6 months.
However, giving Potter a 5 year deal was also ludicrous and screams of the naivety of Boehly et al. at this level.

I didn’t say that Tuchel shouldn’t be judged on his ability to manage a football team. Just that sacking him there and then and replacing him with Potter of all people was a rash/bad decision from any angle, including that of Tuchel’s greatest detractors. based on everything else you say, we agree on that 🙂 

1 minute ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I actually believe they are that sh*t because this isn't the first time certain players have done this. We saw the same thing under Lampard and Tuchel and at this point it has become a mentality issue rather than just quality since its affecting other people at the club who were good before they joined us and have gone to sh*t since they started playing with the rotten apples.

I'd love to see Potter change things up too but there aren't really that many options tbf. He just started giving Pulisic chances for example in the last couple of games and he's done f**k all. 

I'm not saying Potter is perfect but the idea that he's so bad that removing him will improve our team is just something I don't believe. Personally, i think 70% of our issues have to do with the players.

We are 9th. If 70% of the problems have to do with players, we should expect bottom table form or even considering relegation at this point because according to you we will need to move at least 6 players out and bring in more players because Potter's hand is being tied and we are at a standstill with this sh*t football. 

1 hour ago, PloKoon13 said:

I am pleasantly surprised to see that nobody has mindlessly parroted 'trust the process' from the Arsenal fans.

That seems to be working out reasonably well for Arsenal. I'm not ready to say it about us but I'd be willing to as soon as I see a reason to.

2 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I mean we saw the same thing under Sarri and Conte even. 

But both of these managers still manage to win trophies and leave us at least in respectable places. 

1 hour ago, enigma said:

Read that back. 4 months! No Kante, James constantly injured. Very little midfield quality. No good striker. Average wide attackers. Our deficiencies have been masked now for 4/5 seasons. Domestically we've been poor since Conte left.

The league has gotten tougher since then and we've regressed. Until we bring in quality and strengthen the team, we will continue to be poor no matter the manager. Many seem to think a magic wand can be waved and all our issues disappear and we become contenders again. Isn't happening. 

Reversing our decline will take time. I'm willing to be patient. All I want to see is that we're taking the right steps.