There is still hope but chelsea need to step up, maybe before the other clubs do too.

From the beeb:

Anti-discrimination charity Kick It Out, meanwhile, said the video is "unacceptable".

"We stand with and show our full support to Wesley Fofana after he responded publicly and brought it to wider attention," it added.

"Several players are seen singing the song, which means there will be a wider impact on team-mates and fans at other clubs.

"We call upon all relevant clubs, the Argentina federation and Fifa to address this concerning issue with empathy, sensitivity and understanding.

"Responses to these incidents cannot start and end with an apology. More important is the action taken afterwards to ensure players are educated and held accountable, both in England and on a global scale."

Those comments were echoed by fellow anti-discrimination organisation Show Racism the Red Card, which said "words are not enough".

"The racism by the Argentina players is abhorrent, disgraceful and, to record it on social media, it's unbelievable to think it was amusing or even they would get away with it," said chief executive Ged Grebby.

"It's good they haven't but we want to see action taken, rather than players saying just they are sorry. That's not good enough.

"The damage has been done. Not just to black players in the Premier League but black players in our society.

"Words are not enough and if Chelsea are serious about anti-racism education we urge them to contact Show Racism the Red Card and get this player to come and work with us in schools.

"It would make a huge impact. Rather than banning this player for whatever number of games, let's get him involved in an anti-racism programme, a positive programme, with Show Racism the Red Card."

30 minutes ago, g3.7 said:

The second paragraph sees you confusing xenophobia with racism, and the first paragraph is a load of false equivalences that betray your lack of understanding of racism (and why it matters). 

Would suggest you a) read some books, and b) consider racism in terms of impact rather than intent. 

@The Rising Sun

I get what you're saying to a degree, however there has never been a time where paki was not a racist term. I don't think it is analogous with the black/coloured example you cite. 

I can assure you the word " paki" was used as a description, there was no malice or racist intent behind it.

Although it is now a racist slur. I was called a " Mick " because of my Irish background.

Never for one moment was I offended. Neither were the guys called jocks, taffs, etc that I knew.

Go into most pubs and even now you'll hear racist remarks .

Anyway, it was a different time, you had to be there.

 

Just now, Gol15 said:

Apparently you believe that being offensive means that a person is automatically a racist because someone got offended xD

This is the song:

‘Listen, spread the word, they play in France, but they are all from Angola, they are going to run well, they like to sleep with trans people, their mum is Nigerian, their dad is Cameroonian, but on the passport it says: French.’

among other things, its message is that black French people aren't really French, and that their claim to bring French is fraudulent. It also deploys the white supremacist trope of foregrounding the physical qualities of people of African of descent. 

Yes, I think this is racist. 

This kinda cuts through all the fluff

 

 

4 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

I can assure you the word " paki" was used as a description, there was no malice or racist intent behind it.

Although it is now a racist slur. I was called a " Mick " because of my Irish background.

Never for one moment was I offended. Neither were the guys called jocks, taffs, etc that I knew.

Go into most pubs and even now you'll hear racist remarks .

Anyway, it was a different time, you had to be there.

 

Been called a paki, definitely was racist, not hugely interested in going back there. 

5 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Explain how is it a clearly racist song if you can. Also answer my question while you're at it, if France had some players with Argentinian heritage/roots, would the Argentinian team be racist against themselves for pointing that out and mocking the French team?

 

I don't know what the words are.

But I assume that if they ain't racist they must be offensive to some our plàyers ?

But I know my grandson pulls me up when I describe the newspaper shop as the P word Shop !

3 minutes ago, g3.7 said:

This is the song:

‘Listen, spread the word, they play in France, but they are all from Angola, they are going to run well, they like to sleep with trans people, their mum is Nigerian, their dad is Cameroonian, but on the passport it says: French.’

among other things, its message is that black French people aren't really French, and that their claim to bring French is fraudulent. It also deploys the white supremacist trope of foregrounding the physical qualities of people of African of descent. 

Yes, I think this is racist. 

The song implies is that the French team wouldn't be as good as it is without those players, the point is to mock the nation and not to state that those players are inferior but that the French team is superior because of them, it's a fact that Mbappe's father is from Cameroon, pointing it out doesn't mean that they are attacking Mbappe or his background.

What the song does it the opposite of racism, it points out that the French team have benefited by having people that have a different background. 

2 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Though I stand by a picture of you in it saves it for most people.

I am not buying that thing. If you buy it then I will do it.

 

6 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

The song implies is that the French team wouldn't be as good as it is without those players, the point is to mock the nation and not to state that those players are inferior but that the French team is superior because of them, it's a fact that Mbappe's father is from Cameroon, pointing it out doesn't mean that they are attacking Mbappe or his background.

What the song does it the opposite of racism, it points out that the French team have benefited by having people that have a different background. 

Are you actually Enzo? I can't understand why else you'd be so keen to passionately defend him.

It's not simply "cultural" differences. It's racism and homophobia. If murder and rape were culturally acceptable in Argentina should we not comment on it? Just say, "oh well, that's Argentina for you!"

I've read your, frankly pathetic, defence of the racism. If we were to accept that excuse, could you please explain how it wasn't homophonic?

14 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

I don't know what the words are.

But I assume that if they ain't racist they must be offensive to some our plàyers ?

But I know my grandson pulls me up when I describe the newspaper shop as the P word Shop !

They are mocking the French team, Enzo didn't remember that Chelsea has French players or he didn't care about it when he posted it on social media.

But Argentinians will keep talking about how they won the World Cup with Messi and against France forever, it's their mentality, I'm not saying that they are right for doing it in such a way, it is classless and I already said that it doesn't make sense given that many of their own players have European heritage... But life is absurd so here we are.

 

Ah yes, now I see. It's a celebration of multiculturalism!

Thanks for helping me see the light, Gol! Weird fernandez felt the need to apologise for what he calls "highly offensive language" then. Weird that various news media are describing it as racist then. Weird that a number of black French players have publicly described it as racist. Weird that Chelsea have put out a statement saying that they are against discrimination then, and that disciplinary measures against fernandez will be taken. It's almost like you have some kind of severe head injury, isn't it? Don't be offended by that, it's only me championing your ability to to dig ever deeper holes as you continue to excuse the inexcusable. 

21 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

The song implies is that the French team wouldn't be as good as it is without those players, the point is to mock the nation and not to state that those players are inferior but that the French team is superior because of them, it's a fact that Mbappe's father is from Cameroon, pointing it out doesn't mean that they are attacking Mbappe or his background.

What the song does it the opposite of racism, it points out that the French team have benefited by having people that have a different background. 

So the part about sleeping with trans people is commending them for being open minded?

14 minutes ago, AJMurphy25 said:

Are you actually Enzo? 

I thought it was established that he was Jorginho?

19 minutes ago, AJMurphy25 said:

Are you actually Enzo? I can't understand why else you'd be so keen to passionately defend him.

It's not simply "cultural" differences. It's racism and homophobia. If murder and rape were culturally acceptable in Argentina should we not comment on it? Just say, "oh well, that's Argentina for you!"

I've read your, frankly pathetic, defence of the racism. If we were to accept that excuse, could you please explain how it wasn't homophonic?

I fail to accept the idea that Enzo is a racist based on that stupid song, you however are free to believe that he belongs to the worst possible group of people ever because of that stupid song.

 

1 hour ago, the special one said:

Simple solution - sell Enzo, keep Conor.

Sadly, it's not simple, because it would f**k us financially.

31 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

What the song does it the opposite of racism

Oh, so that is why Enzo apologised for it. Because HE IS a racist and he apologised for singing this non-racist song.

16 minutes ago, g3.7 said:

Ah yes, now I see. It's a celebration of multiculturalism!

Thanks for helping me see the light, Gol! Weird fernandez felt the need to apologise for what he calls "highly offensive language" then. Weird that various news media are describing it as racist then. Weird that a number of black French players have publicly described it as racist. Weird that Chelsea have put out a statement saying that they are against discrimination then, and that disciplinary measures against fernandez will be taken. It's almost like you have some kind of severe head injury, isn't it? Don't be offended by that, it's only me championing your ability to to dig ever deeper holes as you continue to excuse the inexcusable. 

So because everyone is saying that Enzo is a racist it must be true, it's only by coincidence that he can be that and also be friends with Caicedo, Jackson, James and so on... He must be a white-latino supremacist there is no other explanation. Kick him out of the club asap!

2 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

Oh, so that is why Enzo apologised for it. Because HE IS a racist and he apologised for singing this non-racist song.

An offensive song aimed against the French team doesn't mean that Enzo is a racist, he clearly said that it is offensive which is true and he apologized for it.

Just now, Gol15 said:

So because everyone is saying that Enzo is a racist it must be true

Enzo apologised for his racist remarks. Now you should apologise for the absolute garbage you're posting on here.

1 minute ago, Gol15 said:

An offensive song aimed against the French team doesn't mean that Enzo is a racist, he clearly said that it is offensive which is true and he apologized for it.

So close........

Now, why was it offensive?

Edited July 17, 20242 yr by AJMurphy25

5 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

An offensive song aimed against the French team doesn't mean that Enzo is a racist, he clearly said that it is offensive which is true and he apologized for it.

Depends. Did he sing the song because he believes the words? If he did, then yes, he is a racist. Or was he just an uneducated idiot singing a racist song? Only he can know that, but what is for sure is that this will always follow him now.

Edited July 17, 20242 yr by Scott Harris

3 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

Enzo apologised for his racist remarks. Now you should apologise for the absolute garbage you're posting on here.

He never mentioned anything about racism, he fully acknowledged that it is offensive.  

4 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

He never mentioned anything about racism, he fully acknowledged that it is offensive.  

It's offensive because it was racist and homophobic...........

He wouldn't be apologising otherwise!

7 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

He never mentioned anything about racism, he fully acknowledged that it is offensive.  

If the song was not racist then it would not be offensive. It is an offensive song because of its racism and transphobia.

The statement was clearly prepared by his PR company and carefully worded. Enzo himself is a proven fcucking idiot and unable to write such a statement on his own.

Edited July 17, 20242 yr by TheCeleryKing

The song implies that if you were born in France to a mother and father from a different country, then you're not really French. If it's not racism, then it's certainly discrimination. It's certainly racism if Enzo and the other Argentinian players only believe that of French players of African descent.