10 hours ago, fansince1965 said:

Give Emma Hayes the job, and no, I'm not kidding😃

No.

Firstly the women are dominating so leave them be. Secondly women's football even at elite level to PL is a bigger jump than coming from non league, sorry but it is.

7 hours ago, forbzy said:

Plenty of fair weather fans chose not to, and moved on to support other teams in that era.

I keep hearing this but is that actually true in reality? Purely anecdotal ofcourse but in my whole life in school, work, social situations, travelling the world etc I would guess I'm in the four figures when it comes to football fans I've meet and as far as I'm aware not a single one of them have changed the club they support.

45 minutes ago, Argo said:

I keep hearing this but is that actually true in reality? Purely anecdotal ofcourse but in my whole life in school, work, social situations, travelling the world etc I would guess I'm in the four figures when it comes to football fans I've meet and as far as I'm aware not a single one of them have changed the club they support.

I knew of some for sure. But years later they would probably deny they ever followed the old team. Many more drifted away from going to games altogether during that time.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

I would rather Bettenelli up top than Lukaku never mind Havertz.

Truly sickening how people are already forgetting how bad he was. I would somewhat understand it if he was doing well back at Inter but he's got even worse.

Havertz is far worse!!!!! For as bad as Lukaku was for us, which was caused by that stupid interview, the run of games he had at the start was better than any run of games Havertz has had in a Chelsea shirt. Only good thing he did was the Clge final goal which was incredibly scrappy in itself. 

Put your grudge aside. This is the worst attack we have ever had and it's due to Havertz leading the like.

Havertz was never a 9, the way Tuchel played him with a carefully planned system, attacking players around him making the attack line half decent, the position on the table over the last 2 seasons didn't lie. It's similar to the way Hazard was used as a false 9, at times we looked superb with the movement of the front 3 out of Hazrd/Willian/Pedro. But good luck playing him as a lone striker. The problem runs far deeper than a Havertz or Ziyech, as most would agree.

35 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

Havertz is far worse!!!!! For as bad as Lukaku was for us, which was caused by that stupid interview, the run of games he had at the start was better than any run of games Havertz has had in a Chelsea shirt. Only good thing he did was the Clge final goal which was incredibly scrappy in itself. 

Put your grudge aside. This is the worst attack we have ever had and it's due to Havertz leading the like.

Lukaku's "great start" was basically one game against a striken Arsenal and two goals against a Villa side that would have smashed us but for Mendy (in no small part thanks to exploiting Rom's non existent off the ball game). As soon as he played games like City and Juventus he rather predictably disappeared without a trace.

Speaking of City, when we played the reverse fixture up there a few months later their local newspaper done a whole piece with analysis on how City found it so much easier against us with Lukaku playing (at the Bridge that season) compared to Kai (in that night in Porto) and then proceeded to finish off by virtually begging Tuchel to start the former, which he did and ofcourse that clown once again did absolutely nothing.

Lukaku came in and single handedly robbed us off our elite pressing and movement aswell as high level link up play. As much as i fully agree that Kai is out of chances now him leading the line has led to us outplaying elite teams in the biggest of stages, something Lukaku led teams are simply not capable of. Forget the run to the UCL win and the performances against City/Real/Atletico, I'm struggling struggling think of a performance with him up top against top opposition comparable to our performance at Dortmund let alone those aforementioned.

Edited February 27, 20233 yr by Argo

13 hours ago, Edjmendy said:

Havertz isnt a striker. Every tom dick and harry except harry potter knows this!

He’s not a footballer full stop. He looks like he’s won a competition to play a game for us. Cucurella came second in the competition.

1 hour ago, Snedger said:

He’s not a footballer full stop. He looks like he’s won a competition to play a game for us. Cucurella came second in the competition.

And yet he scored 32 goals in about 80 games in his last two seasons at Bayer Leverkusen not even playing as a striker for most of the time.

6 hours ago, ozboy said:

And yet he scored 32 goals in about 80 games in his last two seasons at Bayer Leverkusen not even playing as a striker for most of the time.

Werner and Pulisic were also great in Germany. That didn’t help us much either though.

Not to mention when you analyze Bayer at the time it was very much a team and system built around Havertz. 

Just a signing that shouldn't of happened and I am still adamant it only did because we had a free shot at securing a "generational talent". 

21 hours ago, KonaKai Blue said:

Why have you not included games and minutes played?

Because there isn't much point. Lukaku thrives with balls played in behind and he has space to run. Lukaku is dogsh*t with balls to feet. 

This Potter style plays the ball to feet every time.

20 hours ago, just said:

Yeah really weird. We've never had such bad times as this under a manager who turned it around.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/john-neal-footballer-and-manager-who-led-impecunious-chelsea-out-of-the-second-division-doldrums-in-the-early-1980s-9885747.html

Got to know your past to know your present Deino. Thought you knew it.

Completely different time and era. Back then players would be overweight, drunk, some unfit with a lack of resources. Now we are in the era of almost every player in the top flight being top athletes. 

If Potter had a modicum of Neal's charisma then maybe but fact is Potter is clueless. Potter will never turn it around, if you still think that then you're letting history cloud your judgement

12 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Havertz was never a 9, the way Tuchel played him with a carefully planned system, attacking players around him making the attack line half decent, the position on the table over the last 2 seasons didn't lie. It's similar to the way Hazard was used as a false 9, at times we looked superb with the movement of the front 3 out of Hazrd/Willian/Pedro. But good luck playing him as a lone striker. The problem runs far deeper than a Havertz or Ziyech, as most would agree.

Tuchel was really a mastermind, I knew before that kickoff against Real Madrid that having Havertz as a false 9 would win us the match and tactically we blew them away, you could see just how frustrated Sergio Ramos became once he realized that he's out of the match, he didn't know what to do.

Havertz should have had the team built around him from the get-go. But Lampard built the team around Mount and Tuchel compensated but then even after winning the CL and securing top 4, he thought he just needed a classical striker and was ready for Haaland and once it was obvious that it wasn't going to happen he was happy with Lukaku as well.

On 26/02/2023 at 19:17, just said:

Yeah really weird. We've never had such bad times as this under a manager who turned it around.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/john-neal-footballer-and-manager-who-led-impecunious-chelsea-out-of-the-second-division-doldrums-in-the-early-1980s-9885747.html

Got to know your past to know your present Deino. Thought you knew it.

After we beat Boro with that RDM goal we were in the pub and a mate said" this feels great, but does it feel better than, say, knocking Liverpool out with that Walker goal" ,?

Do we started to recall games that were like winning trophies in the barren years.

The 4-4 comeback at Wednesday. The regular wins at Tottenham and Old Trafford.

The 2-2 that wrecked Tottenhams title hopes.

The late 2-1 rearranged cup game v Preston in 60s .

Loads more, and obviously a trophy is better , but their are other times when our club have brought me untold joy.  Oh yeah....

5-5 v West Ham in the 60s 

 

52 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

After we beat Boro with that RDM goal we were in the pub and a mate said" this feels great, but does it feel better than, say, knocking Liverpool out with that Walker goal" ,?

Do we started to recall games that were like winning trophies in the barren years.

The 4-4 comeback at Wednesday. The regular wins at Tottenham and Old Trafford.

The 2-2 that wrecked Tottenhams title hopes.

The late 2-1 rearranged cup game v Preston in 60s .

Loads more, and obviously a trophy is better , but their are other times when our club have brought me untold joy.  Oh yeah....

5-5 v West Ham in the 60s 

 

Most definitely. I'd add the multiple hammerings of Newcastle to that list 🙂

8 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Most definitely. I'd add the multiple hammerings of Newcastle to that list 🙂

Yes ! 6-0 ? Or 6-1 at home ?

Wayne Bridge goal at Highbury in CL was a highlight followed by a f**k up in the next round ( v Monaco??)

12 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Yes ! 6-0 ? Or 6-1 at home ?

Wayne Bridge goal at Highbury in CL was a highlight followed by a f**k up in the next round ( v Monaco??)

If I remember rightly we won 6-0 in the early 80's, and then 4-0 twice, with the second one being of course the legendary time that they had Keegan, McDermott, Waddle, and Beardsley in their team and wee Pat did his mazy run past the whole team.

6 hours ago, Snedger said:

Werner and Pulisic were also great in Germany. That didn’t help us much either though.

Pulisic wasn’t really. Werner always had his pace and I would argue that our best performances in recent years came when he was in the team. Havertz’ s problem from day 1 has been finding the right position. Never mind. 

7 hours ago, Snedger said:

Werner and Pulisic were also great in Germany. That didn’t help us much either though.

Werner would have been great had VAR not been introduced...same with Havertz recently...more offsides than hot dinners.

Just watched highlights.

Sterling marking Kane at the corner?

Havertz centre forward yet again ?

Ziyech starting ?

Mount anger issues again ?

Just the usual then

On 26/02/2023 at 21:09, Munkworth said:

HERE IS LOADS OF EXTRA CAPITAL LETTERS TO MAKE UP SOME OF THE SHORTFALL FROM OTHER INCONSIDERATE POSTERS. YOU ARE WELCOME. 

If Only There Were More People Like You🙃

1 hour ago, The Rising Sun said:

Just watched highlights.

Sterling marking Kane at the corner?

Havertz centre forward yet again ?

Ziyech starting ?

Mount anger issues again ?

Just the usual then

Actually felt sorry for Mount. I think his visible frustration is what every other player is currently feeling being coached by Potter. Enzo wouldn't even greet Romero after the match just stormed off. 

We have some characters on the pitch its just a damn shame we have manager that says "that's life" when ever we lose.