1 minute ago, just said:

.... the Neal / Guillit / Vialli seasons are still some of my most enjoyable times as a Chelsea fan.

I was more gutted about the Vialli sacking than any other manager since!

3 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Were you there when Isildur failed to destroy the ring? Curious. 

No I was in America attending a Trump rally when that happened.

1 minute ago, Mod said:

I was more gutted about the Vialli sacking than any other manager since!

Gullit for me but I understand the sentiment involved here Mod.

7 minutes ago, just said:

The vast majority IMO, didn't and don't. End of.

And that should be fine. Just because someone is born in 1985 lets say started supporting us in 1998 doesn't make them any less of a supporter than you.

1 hour ago, forbzy said:

Agreed Just. I can understand the debate and opinions over Potter. There is always going to be that kind of conversation on here when we hit this kind of terrible form. But I cannot understand those who would prefer us to lose so that it increases chances of Potter being fired. In the immortal words of Blue is the Colour "So cheer us on through the sun and rain 'Cause Chelsea, Chelsea is our name". Well we are in the pouring rain right now. This is when we need to get behind the team the most.

I would agree.......BUT.   Potter has a nearly a £billion worth of players in his squad at his disposal.  We all know that players can lose their form and they suffer for weeks, months or even a season....while you can perhaps list Mount, Havertz and one or two others as being out of form, it should not make it anymore difficult for Potter to pick 11 international players who have not lost their form,but they need a system to play in and they haven't got it.  Potter has been here 6 months and there isn't the faintest inclination that he has put anything remotely in place that takes us one step forward since he arrived.   If we had mediocre players, as we have had in the past no one would be surprised the state we are in with Potter in charge.

 

5 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

And that should be fine. Just because someone is born in 1985 lets say started supporting us in 1998 doesn't make them any less of a supporter than you.

You seem very sure. How do you measure it to come such a definitive conclusion? Money spent? Games attended? Loyalty in the face of adversity? 

13 minutes ago, just said:

False equivalence is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone incorrectly asserts that two or more things are equivalent, simply because they share some characteristics, despite the fact that there are also notable differences between them. For example, a false equivalence is saying that cats and dogs are the same animal, since they’re both mammals and have a tail.

Got it. So like comparing Sarri with Potter? I understand.

False equivalences are typically seen when someone is trying to create a reference and completely ignore the context. 

For example, suggesting Potter can get us out of this slump and bring up Neal's tenure at Chelsea in the 1980s where he had much less resources to work with whereas Potter had 600m and a team full of serial winners at both club level and international level. 

1 minute ago, just said:

You seem very sure. How do you measure it to come such a definitive conclusion? Money spent? Games attended? Loyalty in the face of adversity? 

Certainly loyalty to the club. 
If you measure it on how supportive you are of the manager I assume you loved Rafa? Potters done nothing for us and doesn't deserve any loyalty.

Money spent and games attended is not a good measure for me as it all depends on for example what one earns.

Forgot who it was, maybe @Scott Harris? but there is a genuine safe approach culture in the way we play. The intuitive or instinctive reaction in all of our players when they are entering the attacking phase, is to pause and find the safe pass, which 90% of the time is backwards. I remember a combination of one two's between Felix and Chilwell. Felix was expecting the pass forward but Chilwell passed back to Koulibaly with ZERO pressure. This is just one of the hundreds of examples. 

There is never a time when we are entering the attacking phase am I expecting a chance to be created. The only thing I am expecting is the players finding an excuse to pass back to the CBs. 

 

 

7 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Certainly loyalty to the club. 
If you measure it on how supportive you are of the manager I assume you loved Rafa? Potters done nothing for us and doesn't deserve any loyalty.

Money spent and games attended is not a good measure for me as it all depends on for example what one earns.

The fact that you would even agree with Rafa being our manager shows your complete lack of knowledge or disregard to our history with him as Liverpool manager, and what he said about our club and fans. We part company right there.

 

 

41 minutes ago, Mod said:

I was more gutted about the Vialli sacking than any other manager since!

Gullit was the one for me. Probably the sacking that made the least sense to me in all my time.

Similar to @just though regarding Neal, that was some fun times albeit without silverware. 

Was that even a derby or a football game? I couldn't even recall we had a couple of shots on goal, Sterling had a good effort saved, apart from that what else did we do to bother them? The only action from us was the little scuffle near half time, Ziyech done the wrong thing but at least he put a hand up ( at the wrong time and wrong place but who cares). He should have been sent off, and gave Potter the way out of the game . What I found interesting during those few minutes was Potter standing there like a man waiting for a bus, not his business to get involved. Spurs barely had a midfield and yet dominated us, I mean Skipp scored a goal, last time it happened was like 2 years ago, we really bought the best out of others. With all the fit players we got, somehow Potter dropped to defender Silva had most success with, and dropped our 80M winger. 10 Minutes to go, we could see the master stroke was coming, oops just 1 minute too late🥸 Like we said before game, now Potter has too many fit players, he doesn't know what to do, and it's NOT his fault according to some.

So what's next, hosting leeds and start our 10 games winning streak there . I mean, you can't NOT trust the process and be optimistic about Potter, it only takes time 😄

42 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Certainly loyalty to the club. 
If you measure it on how supportive you are of the manager I assume you loved Rafa? Potters done nothing for us and doesn't deserve any loyalty.

Money spent and games attended is not a good measure for me as it all depends on for example what one earns.

You've caught me out, I never ever wanted that lad, just a horrible appointment.

The equivalent of being asked to watch your favourite pub burn down, it was literally a head f**k.

 

Edited February 26, 20233 yr by Carloseyebrow
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2 hours ago, Jackson27 said:

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HERE IS LOADS OF EXTRA CAPITAL LETTERS TO MAKE UP SOME OF THE SHORTFALL FROM OTHER INCONSIDERATE POSTERS. YOU ARE WELCOME. 

50 minutes ago, Carloseyebrow said:

You've caught me out, I never ever wanted that lad, just a horrible appointment.

The equivalent of being asked to watch your favourite pub burn down, it was literally a head f**k.

 

Did you watch the interview with John Obi Mikel recently? Good grief, John said Rafa was by far the worst manager they've had, blanked players, barely gave team talks, the players didn't even know the lineup until it was publicly announced. Told nobody why they were benched.

Conte was actually rude to Mikel on a few occasions and ended up getting rid of him and Mikel still had more respect for Conte than he did Rafa. Goes to show what a shocking appointment that was for us, I'm surprised we won a trophy under him given how much the players hated him. 

9 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

Did you watch the interview with John Obi Mikel recently? Good grief, John said Rafa was by far the worst manager they've had, blanked players, barely gave team talks, the players didn't even know the lineup until it was publicly announced. Told nobody why they were benched.

Conte was actually rude to Mikel on a few occasions and ended up getting rid of him and Mikel still had more respect for Conte than he did Rafa. Goes to show what a shocking appointment that was for us, I'm surprised we won a trophy under him given how much the players hated him. 

That was a toxic appointment for sure and one that felt totally unnecessary. I always had the feeling that the board were reluctant to give Di Matteo the job full time and felt obliged after he won the Champs League. They certainly showed him very little patience when we hit a bad run of form the following season. 

1 hour ago, CFCCAN said:

I would agree.......BUT.   Potter has a nearly a £billion worth of players in his squad at his disposal.  We all know that players can lose their form and they suffer for weeks, months or even a season....while you can perhaps list Mount, Havertz and one or two others as being out of form, it should not make it anymore difficult for Potter to pick 11 international players who have not lost their form,but they need a system to play in and they haven't got it.  Potter has been here 6 months and there isn't the faintest inclination that he has put anything remotely in place that takes us one step forward since he arrived.   If we had mediocre players, as we have had in the past no one would be surprised the state we are in with Potter in charge.

Fair enough but there is a difference between criticism of Potter (absolutely fine) and wanting us to lose, just because it might improve the chances of him being fired.

1 minute ago, forbzy said:

That was a toxic appointment for sure and one that felt totally unnecessary. I always had the feeling that the board were reluctant to give Di Matteo the job full time and felt obliged after he won the Champs League. They certainly showed him very little patience when we hit a bad run of form the following season. 

Tbh it aged well in the end. I love Robbie, but he wasn't good enough for that job. His time here will always be magical for what he did, it was something out of a fairytale but he was never top dog sadly. 

I can see why the board were reluctant to give him that contract and cut him loose when it got tough. But for FSW? Jesus... Miserable appointment. I remember when the c*nt refused to condemn Luis Suarez and the referee after the biting incident with the late equalizer, he almost looked happy Liverpool came back from 2-0 down. 

6 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

Tbh it aged well in the end. I love Robbie, but he wasn't good enough for that job. His time here will always be magical for what he did, it was something out of a fairytale but he was never top dog sadly. 

I can see why the board were reluctant to give him that contract and cut him loose when it got tough. But for FSW? Jesus... Miserable appointment. I remember when the c*nt refused to condemn Luis Suarez and the referee after the biting incident with the late equalizer, he almost looked happy Liverpool came back from 2-0 down. 

I would have rather the board lined up another manager for the summer and allowed Robbie the chance to complete the season.

Time has not mellowed my mood about the abysmal result today.

I saw some comments on telly about Kepa being at fault for the first goal and he certainly could have done better. So i am not giving the players a pass at all, but the second goal. Who is doing the set piece organising at this club. I can't believe that the Potter questions were focussed on the first goal and not the second.

Dier vs Mount is a mismatch from the start but then havign Sterling at teh back post marking Kane is just criminal. How could they have possibly set that up. What did they think would happen.

Some posts earlier mentioning John Neal and FSW..

Fans were totally united with Neal, those were great days to be at away matches. Fat Spanish Waiter should never have even been allowed anywhere near the Bridge

 

Today at Spuds was just embarrassing... Potter and most of the team look clueless 

Edited February 26, 20233 yr by Shug

59 minutes ago, forbzy said:

I would have rather the board lined up another manager for the summer and allowed Robbie the chance to complete the season.

My theory is Mourinho's return was already done (I know it was around February time at the latest) and Benitez was practically a placeholder due to being the pound land version of him.

4 hours ago, abister1 said:

Well you don't know what us proper Chelsea lads have gone through in them days. This exhausting? 

I've only seen the folly of my ways in wanting my club to do well and have a manager that deserves of the role. One who has the clout, experience and more than the personality of a...... I won't get personal, just going to stick to facts..... want a manager that has proven himself or showing prospects, not like a young manager at 47 who has managed for over a decade and slayed Arsenal under Wenger in Europe group stage game, Swansea 10th and Brighton 9th amongst his managerial achievements.

So the stability brigade have won me over and I'm now on their side. Who cares if I don't enjoy watching my team play anymore or we have a run of form that is more akin to Brighton than Chelsea, or we are nesting comfortably in 10th position, or I can't discern any particular pattern or point to our play. As long as we can have some long term stability, surely that's something? 

Anyway just ignore me, always an option. 

I was finding it entertaining, wasn't having a pop

1 hour ago, forbzy said:

Fair enough but there is a difference between criticism of Potter (absolutely fine) and wanting us to lose, just because it might improve the chances of him being fired.

Certainly not calling for us to lose, rather the opposite but any faith I did have with Potter improving things certainly went out the window in the last few games.

10 hours ago, KonaKai Blue said:

He scored the winner against Porto in midweek and is for sure a much better number 9 than Havertz who for me is the worst striker I've ever seen in a Chelsea shirt , playing in that position.

I would rather Bettenelli up top than Lukaku never mind Havertz.

Truly sickening how people are already forgetting how bad he was. I would somewhat understand it if he was doing well back at Inter but he's got even worse.

Edited February 27, 20233 yr by Argo