1 hour ago, GarnachoCheese said:

None of these would be a loss.

1 hour ago, GarnachoCheese said:

None of these would be a loss.

45 minutes ago, Scott said:

Cucu is the only one that would be half way missed, yet I'd still have Lewis Hall over him.

WHY WOULD LEWIS HALL LEAVE NEWCASTLE AND COME HERE

15 minutes ago, Caps_Lock_King said:

WHY WOULD LEWIS HALL LEAVE NEWCASTLE AND COME HERE

@Scott didn't say we should buy him back, did he. But your point applies unfortunately to practically every decent player: I honestly wonder why anyone would sign for us. And I mean an experienced player that would actually improve us, one that has a choice, not the next snotty-nosed nobody grabbing the offer to triple his income with both hands.

19 minutes ago, Valerie said:

@Scott didn't say we should buy him back, did he. But your point applies unfortunately to practically every decent player: I honestly wonder why anyone would sign for us. And I mean an experienced player that would actually improve us, one that has a choice, not the next snotty-nosed nobody grabbing the offer to triple his income with both hands.

yeah even if you take the wages we won’t pay out the equation why would you sign up for this sh*t show right now.

Our only hope is a change of strategy. A new manager and SD working together selling a new project otherwise forget attracting anybody with options.

5 hours ago, GarnachoCheese said:

None of these would be a loss.

On the contrary, every single one of them will be sold at a loss. Probably including Tosin.

I think all will be sold at or below market price because we want to sell and other clubs will pull the price down.

Given our model is to be successful in trading players it will be even more of a failure. for example Tosin was in theory a great bit of business on a free, yet i bet we sell him for a pittance. - in relative terms our goons would pay 30-40 million plus for a CB. Just in the defender disposals we can demonstrate how sh*t the chuckle brothers are commercially. Dud after dud after dud. You and I would be sacked on the spot for this level of incompetence.

Sadly we have to sell to buy so we only have ourselves to blame. we are going to get royally robbed in the marketplace in the summer.

Edited March 24Mar 24 by OTL
Stewart&Winstanley nobody does it better.

8 hours ago, C3blue said:

Someone will point out that’s because “we play possession football” that makes our opponents chase the ball.

When anyone who watches us will say we play without urgency, energy, intensity. We look slow with or without the ball and it comes across as a lack of effort. It’s the sort of football that’s hard to even watch at times let alone get behind as a fan. Passion has to go both ways.

The possession football argument doesn't work. Man City top the league for running distance and total distance covered by players, and they are the epitome of possession football in this league. Transition teams do lots of running, but they don't necessarily cover a lot of total ground.

The Athletic, predictably, have tried to run a contrarian piece arguing that the recent comments about Chelsea and Liverpool's running are wrong or pointless:

In fact, mapping the relationship between points and average distance run per game since that 2021-22 season shows that there is no correlation between the two in the long term. High- speed running distance barely adds any predictive value either.

Problem is their argument, that running distance doesn't correlate with points won, is a strawman argument. Of course it doesn't; squad quality is obviously a far bigger factor. Arsenal are expected to win more points than Leeds regardless of how much they run. The data also shows that running distance tends to show a team's intensity, and teams that play with intensity tend to do better relative to their squad quality. Maybe it's why Leeds are currently 15th and Burnley are currently 19th, despite both teams steamrolling the Championship with 100pts last season.

This graph is so damning. This shows how much ground PL teams cover, and how much of the time they spend actually running. The bottom quadrant is a litany of underperformers relative to squad quality/expenditure. We are rock bottom but the worst part is that this graph is from November 2025 when we were at our absolute peak under Maresca.

Imagine what that graph would look like now.

15 hours ago, timetowaste said:

Everyone can see this guy is a joke apart from the pricks at the top of the club.

Not everyone, you'll find a couple of people on here still believing this manager isn't a joke

7 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

The possession football argument doesn't work. Man City top the league for running distance and total distance covered by players, and they are the epitome of possession football in this league. Transition teams do lots of running, but they don't necessarily cover a lot of total ground.

The Athletic, predictably, have tried to run a contrarian piece arguing that the recent comments about Chelsea and Liverpool's running are wrong or pointless:

In fact, mapping the relationship between points and average distance run per game since that 2021-22 season shows that there is no correlation between the two in the long term. High- speed running distance barely adds any predictive value either.

Problem is their argument, that running distance doesn't correlate with points won, is a strawman argument. Of course it doesn't; squad quality is obviously a far bigger factor. Arsenal are expected to win more points than Leeds regardless of how much they run. The data also shows that running distance tends to show a team's intensity, and teams that play with intensity tend to do better relative to their squad quality. Maybe it's why Leeds are currently 15th and Burnley are currently 19th, despite both teams steamrolling the Championship with 100pts last season.

This graph is so damning. This shows how much ground PL teams cover, and how much of the time they spend actually running. The bottom quadrant is a litany of underperformers relative to squad quality/expenditure. We are rock bottom but the worst part is that this graph is from November 2025 when we were at our absolute peak under Maresca.

Imagine what that graph would look like now.

Amazing, in the last couple of weeks Ive heard it said that statistically managers aren’t important, now running/work rate statistically doesn’t matter neither does pace.

Sounds like the slow playing, no running leaderless team we have put together.

Stats, 50% of the time they’re right every time.

1 hour ago, Deino said:

Not everyone, you'll find a couple of people on here still believing this manager isn't a joke

"Chelsea will back under-fire manager Liam Rosenior even if Blues miss out on Champions League football... with boss also given more input into summer transfer targets than predecessor Enzo Maresca" (24 March, Mail Sport)

This is going to be fun.

16 minutes ago, mez said:

"Chelsea will back under-fire manager Liam Rosenior even if Blues miss out on Champions League football... with boss also given more input into summer transfer targets than predecessor Enzo Maresca" (24 March, Mail Sport)

This is going to be fun.

Predecessor Maresca asked for more experience. Got none. What will LR ask for? A new Apple Watch?

5 minutes ago, dermott said:

Predecessor Maresca asked for more experience. Got none. What will LR ask for? A new Apple Watch?

A new poster for his bedroom:

If we're backing the manager then we need to get rid of the toxic players that have clearly downed tools because of their Maresca fetish.

Get to summer and Neto, Enzo and Cucurella the first out the door.

2 hours ago, Deino said:

Not everyone, you'll find a couple of people on here still believing this manager isn't a joke

Unbelievable, I know. It's so hypocritical to love the SDs' puppet LR and still criticise them for the players!

Hes learning, he just needs more time.

"Trust, encouragement, reward, loyalty... satisfaction. That's what I'm... you know. Trust people and they'll be true to you. Treat them greatly, and they will show themselves to be great." - David Brent

Edited March 25Mar 25 by OTL

14 hours ago, Caps_Lock_King said:

WHY WOULD LEWIS HALL LEAVE NEWCASTLE AND COME HERE

Newcastle brown ale, good everynow and than or in pies/batter and gravy. But most sane people move to a better beer/ ale making areas...

57 minutes ago, GarnachoCheese said:

If we're backing the manager then we need to get rid of the toxic players that have clearly downed tools because of their Maresca fetish.

Get to summer and Neto, Enzo and Cucurella the first out the door.

Sorry to say its only you who find this particular manager "great". As a matter of fact no one else even find him decent, including our players for obvious reasons.

9 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Sorry to say its only you who find this particular manager "great". As a matter of fact no one else even find him decent, including our players for obvious reasons.

@Nibs what's your opinion?

We are 5 points from bottom half, with this remaining fixture list.

City, United, Brighton (A), Forest, Liverpool (A), Spurs, Sunderland (A).

Would that constitute as "almighty collapse" then?

2 hours ago, bluelightening said:

Newcastle brown ale, good everynow and than or in pies/batter and gravy. But most sane people move to a better beer/ ale making areas...

Unless you're Geordie born and bred

2 hours ago, GarnachoCheese said:

@Nibs what's your opinion?

Have never rated him..........................................!!

No, I haven't changed my view, that I prefer him to Maresca. Many will argue LR should never have got this gig, but for me, Maresca was a worse appointment. Dullest football I have ever witnessed and no wonder the Leicester supporters were glad to see the back of him. So I would have taken ANYONE to replace Maresca and although LR was nowhere near my wish list, I was happy to give him the benefit of the doubt. And he did have a decent start - the football on the whole was better and he was getting the best out of the likes of Pedro.

But I have to admit, since we let that 2-2 slip against PSG, things have gone downhill massively. PSG second leg, Newcastle and now Everton performances have all been really poor. So of course those who didn't want him in the first place can now looks smug with "I told you so" and the likes of myself will just have to see if he has anything about him (other than a LOT of talk), to turn things around.

I'm not completely writing him off, but he does need to halt this slide or the pressure will mount, regardless of what the Owners are currently saying.

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

We are 5 points from bottom half, with this remaining fixture list.

City, United, Brighton (A), Forest, Liverpool (A), Spurs, Sunderland (A).

Would that constitute as "almighty collapse" then?

Half empty or half full? We have the 3rd best goal difference in the league. We could still possibly make a CL spot - despite the Sporting Directors and coach. But we are having these same issues at the end of every season. We all know what we need - Football Directors who actually know and understand the game and an experienced and/or innovative coach. Until we get that we will just repeat all our mistakes. This poor form might be alleviated by the exceptional brilliance of some of our players - Palmer carried us in the past. Esta-wow! might in the future.

7 minutes ago, Nibs said:

Have never rated him..........................................!!

No, I haven't changed my view, that I prefer him to Maresca. Many will argue LR should never have got this gig, but for me, Maresca was a worse appointment. Dullest football I have ever witnessed and no wonder the Leicester supporters were glad to see the back of him. So I would have taken ANYONE to replace Maresca and although LR was nowhere near my wish list, I was happy to give him the benefit of the doubt. And he did have a decent start - the football on the whole was better and he was getting the best out of the likes of Pedro.

But I have to admit, since we let that 2-2 slip against PSG, things have gone downhill massively. PSG second leg, Newcastle and now Everton performances have all been really poor. So of course those who didn't want him in the first place can now looks smug with "I told you so" and the likes of myself will just have to see if he has anything about him (other than a LOT of talk), to turn things around.

I'm not completely writing him off, but he does need to halt this slide or the pressure will mount, regardless of what the Owners are currently saying.

The issue for most of us is that things are panning out pretty much as predicted.

Wins against Charlton, Hull, Wrexham, Pafos etc was never going to give encouragement that Rosenior was anywhere near good enough. He talked well, but as many mentioned a little too well, almost recreating soundbites in the image of some of our better managers of the past. Napoli was a fair result although they have been poor in Europe (Conte!) and Villa was a genuine high point, notwithstanding their kamikaze defensive set up.

Schooled against Arsenal, twice, with additional sprinklings of Brent-isms in the press and as soon as he came up against any teams of any note, like our defence, he just seems to have fallen apart. We always knew we had a tough run in and therefore we needed to be in a position of power. Failed to do that with some poor results in letting wins slip against fodder and now we are staring down the barrel of possibly no more that three more points by the end of the season.

He wants to appear progressive and a student of the game, but just resorts to trying formations and styles of play totally unsuited to the players or the position that we are in. I am not sure he ever did truly have the dressing room, but i am pretty sure he doesn't have it now. The good thing with a more mature squad, when it starts going tits they keep their own counsel and starve you out. With today's entitled brats, they can't wait to post provocative comments, memes and likes on social media undermining the manager.

The honeymoon, if there ever was one, is well and truly over with this guy, imo

4 hours ago, GarnachoCheese said:

If we're backing the manager then we need to get rid of the toxic players that have clearly downed tools because of their Maresca fetish.

Get to summer and Neto, Enzo and Cucurella the first out the door.

Toxic players. Okay. The most toxic appears to the 'arm waving' Garnacho. His very signing was toxic.

Neto, Enzo, Cuucrella are perhaps our most experienced players and they are used to managers who know what they are doing (world cup winning managers, Euro winning managers, etc). When you know - you know instantly - Liam is like a PE teacher suddenly at a level where he is clueless.

2 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

The honeymoon, if there ever was one, is well and truly over with this guy, imo

Thing is, the early spell of good form we saw under Rosenior isn't any different to what we are seeing now. We just aren't scoring goals.

Brentford, Napoli, Pafos, West Ham, Wolves, Leeds, Burnley, etc all gave us scares considering how open we play under Rosenior. We didn't lose any game, but it was evident that the moment we play a decent side that could actually put away chances, its over.