26 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Who do you really think that will be willing to join this mess, and we would actually be willing to appoint? One thing I know is that it will not be an inspiring appointment. we are at best looking at the best of a set of uninspiring options.

This is the debate we are all having. Will they change their sh*t project and hire a top manager (plenty available, more after WC) or is it another mediocre manager happy to pretty much do as they say?

I said at the very start of this process prepare to be underwhelmed and Silva for me would be very underwhelming and with a fan base already on the brink it would tell them all they need to know about the clubs ambition and would not unite the fans or I doubt stir the loins of the players either.

But why the hell would Iraola go from 6th place (can even get into CL) Bournemouth to 15th Palace as a step-up? Doesn't make any sense career wise.

Maybe if he replaced Howe at Newcastle I could still see his point, but Palace? So many other routes he could take, possibly even Atl. Madrid or Milan.

10 minutes ago, Brigadeiro Mk II said:

But why the hell would Iraola go from 6th place (can even get into CL) Bournemouth to 15th Palace as a step-up? Doesn't make any sense career wise.

Maybe if he replaced Howe at Newcastle I could still see his point, but Palace? So many other routes he could take, possibly even Atl. Madrid or Milan.

Well said. The money makes no sense; Bournemouth at least invest, and have exciting players. Glasner wants out because of a lack of investment.

17 minutes ago, Brigadeiro Mk II said:

But why the hell would Iraola go from 6th place (can even get into CL) Bournemouth to 15th Palace as a step-up? Doesn't make any sense career wise.

Maybe if he replaced Howe at Newcastle I could still see his point, but Palace? So many other routes he could take, possibly even Atl. Madrid or Milan.

His wages are going to 3x joining Palace judging by what Glasner is currently earning.

London.

Significantly better academy.

Better positioned to qualify for Europe every year.

I mentioned above that it's a good stepping stone to carry on and grow as a manager (now having to deal with Europe in the schedule) vs joining a big club, let alone a big club that is a poison chalice.

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

He wouldn't have control there either to be honest.

I think Iraola is a smart man and is playing the long game. We are the perfect case study of why project managers shouldn't bite too much they can chew.

He's not going to jump into a big job right away when he's never managed a club that had to balance both the league and Europe. Palace is the perfect step up for him, especially if they are in the Europa League next season.

Interesting theory. If the Palace move is true, he's leaving a club that recruits shrewdly for a club that doesn't - one of the key reasons Glasner left - and, what's more, is going to lose Mateta and, quite possibly, Wharton. Steve Parish's priority is getting the new stand built.

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

He wouldn't have control there either to be honest.

I think Iraola is a smart man and is playing the long game. We are the perfect case study of why project managers shouldn't bite too much they can chew.

He's not going to jump into a big job right away when he's never managed a club that had to balance both the league and Europe. Palace is the perfect step up for him, especially if they are in the Europa League next season.

Double post.

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1 hour ago, forbzy said:

Of the options linked so far, I can see Silva joining because of his agent. I suspect Alonso is holding out for the Liverpool job. Filipe Luis will likely retain interest given he is out of work but there haven't been substantive rumours there. Fabregas will likely stay put. Seems like Xavi has already been ruled out.

1 hour ago, forbzy said:

Of the options linked so far, I can see Silva joining because of his agent. I suspect Alonso is holding out for the Liverpool job. Filipe Luis will likely retain interest given he is out of work but there haven't been substantive rumours there. Fabregas will likely stay put. Seems like Xavi has already been ruled out.

Silva seems likely. However Filipe Luis was a serious option when they went for Rosenior instead. He was ready to accept bluecos model, and may well have Thiago Silva as his assistant in an attempt to get the fans on-board.

More I think about it the more it seems a good chance of being what blueco do.

1 hour ago, C3blue said:

This is the debate we are all having. Will they change their sh*t project and hire a top manager (plenty available, more after WC) or is it another mediocre manager happy to pretty much do as they say?

I said at the very start of this process prepare to be underwhelmed and Silva for me would be very underwhelming and with a fan base already on the brink it would tell them all they need to know about the clubs ambition and would not unite the fans or I doubt stir the loins of the players either.

1 hour ago, C3blue said:

This is the debate we are all having. Will they change their sh*t project and hire a top manager (plenty available, more after WC) or is it another mediocre manager happy to pretty much do as they say?

I said at the very start of this process prepare to be underwhelmed and Silva for me would be very underwhelming and with a fan base already on the brink it would tell them all they need to know about the clubs ambition and would not unite the fans or I doubt stir the loins of the players either.

People need to stop asking if they will change the model with any degree of seriousness.

It will not happen. They are too stubborn to do so and don't have the money to do so.

A pretty good take on why Fabregas will stay where he is.

8 minutes ago, Caps_Lock_King said:

What a joke this club is

Obviously Iraola has been told he will not have control of the team and so is prepared to go to Palace

No one of note will take this job

So much for the bollox we will change

45 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Silva seems likely. However Filipe Luis was a serious option when they went for Rosenior instead. He was ready to accept bluecos model, and may well have Thiago Silva as his assistant in an attempt to get the fans on-board.

More I think about it the more it seems a good chance of being what blueco do.

I would probably prefer Filipe Luis over Silva, especially if we brought in Thiago as assistant. He may only have experience in Brazil but he did very well with Flamengo, and I think Thiago would be a great option as assistant.

I did see Thiago Silva in crowd on Monday, I thought why is he there hmmm! not a yes man but first JOB maybe!?, cos we ain't getting elite and elite I mean elite NOT Iraola, NOT Silva etc, above I saw a decent list, they were top draw managers except one, NOT Simeone, Atleti are the arsenal of spain, hes played arseoles 3 times and LOST x2 and a draw, remind anyone of someone? he has got panache, charisma, bit debonair, and I love him on touchline, and he would put fear into anyone especially players( I WOULD LOVE THAT), now all he's won Spanish league x2 and europa league x2 in 20 years, and spent a bundles, and on a player we had on loan twice, aint WON enough NOT GOOD FOOTBALL and the players he buys NA not having him, to think we could of had Luis, Naglesman, Flick anyone in the beginning really, we should start singing in last home game "we don't want Silva", "we want elite" we want a winner, and please please cane those clowns in crowd especially bohley and 5 directors of football and the egg, my blood starts to boil now gotta go grrrrr

40 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

People need to stop asking if they will change the model with any degree of seriousness.

It will not happen. They are too stubborn to do so and don't have the money to do so.

They have changed it once, why can’t they change it again?

There are saleable players and gettable targets if they get the right manager.

We can’t all just say we are doomed, when we have options. If they get this appointment wrong and stay as they are yeah we are so we need to keep telling them until they listen or sack someone.

48 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

People need to stop asking if they will change the model with any degree of seriousness.

It will not happen. They are too stubborn to do so and don't have the money to do so.

Then there really is no point discussing who's taking over.

If Pep agrees to work under this model then he'd be a terrible appointment.

29 minutes ago, C3blue said:

They have changed it once, why can’t they change it again?

There are saleable players and gettable targets if they get the right manager.

We can’t all just say we are doomed, when we have options. If they get this appointment wrong and stay as they are yeah we are so we need to keep telling them until they listen or sack someone.

The Todd spent too much, especially on wages so Clearlake forced him away from power to implement their business model. The only reason it started this way is the deal to buy Chelsea was so rushed Clearlake had other things to figure out so left it to Todd.

What we are now is what we will stay until BlueCo leave. That is the reality.

30 minutes ago, yaz said:

Then there really is no point discussing who's taking over.

If Pep agrees to work under this model then he'd be a terrible appointment.

It can be discussed but the end will be the same as all the others in either:

1. The head coach does a poor job and they have to sack him/let him leave (Potter, Rosenior, interim Lamps)

2. The head coach does ok and then starts asking for things they don't want to give and he leaves (Poch, Maresca).

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

His wages are going to 3x joining Palace judging by what Glasner is currently earning.

London.

Significantly better academy.

Better positioned to qualify for Europe every year.

I mentioned above that it's a good stepping stone to carry on and grow as a manager (now having to deal with Europe in the schedule) vs joining a big club, let alone a big club that is a poison chalice.

Are they though? I mean, last 3 seasons alone they've gone from 10th, 12th and now 15th (While Bournemouth kept rising). Sure the FA Cup was amazing and got them into the position they're now in Europe, but more likely than not they've a self-inflicted wound as they keep selling their best players instead of riding the momentum to aim higher.

Better wages for sure, but someone who stayed at Bilbao as a player for so many years would suddenly feel "frustrated" for not being in London? I don't really buy it tbh. Feels like a sideways and possibly damaging move to his ambitions, could well be him doing a Glasner next season when they sell Wharton, Mateta and maybe Muñoz after what could be a good WC.

8 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

The Todd spent too much, especially on wages so Clearlake forced him away from power to implement their business model. The only reason it started this way is the deal to buy Chelsea was so rushed Clearlake had other things to figure out so left it to Todd.

What we are now is what we will stay until BlueCo leave. That is the reality.

It can be discussed but the end will be the same as all the others in either:

1. The head coach does a poor job and they have to sack him/let him leave (Potter, Rosenior, interim Lamps)

2. The head coach does ok and then starts asking for things they don't want to give and he leaves (Poch, Maresca).

All without any push back from fans with many actually buying into their bo**ocks.

I can’t find any now defending this ‘model’. Even voices in the media are all now becoming one in that it’s not working. Pundits, media, influencers fans online and demonstrating matchdays.

They have gotten away with it so far but they have no support from anywhere now. Something has got to change even if it’s not wholesale, I have ever only wanted it tweaked. A manager who knows what he’s doing and some more experience in the first team. First team first and any buys for the future or player trading second. It’s not that hard a change.

That’s my immediate hope, for the sake of being able to enjoy football again next season.

Viva the revolution when it comes to eventually getting these leeches out our club long term.

I was listening to a podcast and they were debating the SD’s managerial appointments. Potter wasn’t WinStewarts, he was Todd’s. They were saying actually their record isn’t too bad:

Poch - whilst not hugely successful in trophies, he did help move the players forward and provide a spring board.

Maresca - whilst he wasn’t loved by us, I think he decent job and won 2 trophies and CL

Resenoir - Clearly a failure.

2/3 appointments a “success”? Of course, the counter argument is that we’re not a world class side and the appointments haven’t pushed us into the elite bracket.

Marco Silva would be the most bland, BlueCo appointment you could imagine.

12 hours ago, TheCeleryKing said:

Maybe they are earning it? I mean if we were winning the league and in the CL final would we be worrying about the wage bill?

Our board will.

11 hours ago, JM7 said:

I was listening to a podcast and they were debating the SD’s managerial appointments. Potter wasn’t WinStewarts, he was Todd’s. They were saying actually their record isn’t too bad:

Poch - whilst not hugely successful in trophies, he did help move the players forward and provide a spring board.

Maresca - whilst he wasn’t loved by us, I think he decent job and won 2 trophies and CL

Resenoir - Clearly a failure.

2/3 appointments a “success”? Of course, the counter argument is that we’re not a world class side and the appointments haven’t pushed us into the elite bracket.

Which podcast?

11 hours ago, JM7 said:

I was listening to a podcast and they were debating the SD’s managerial appointments. Potter wasn’t WinStewarts, he was Todd’s. They were saying actually their record isn’t too bad:

Poch - whilst not hugely successful in trophies, he did help move the players forward and provide a spring board.

Maresca - whilst he wasn’t loved by us, I think he decent job and won 2 trophies and CL

Resenoir - Clearly a failure.

2/3 appointments a “success”? Of course, the counter argument is that we’re not a world class side and the appointments haven’t pushed us into the elite bracket.

I'd say that the counter argument is that we were an elite club and their appointments have taken us to mid table fodder and possibly they'll take us down the Spurs route.

8 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

Marco Silva would be the most bland, BlueCo appointment you could imagine.

I will really struggle paying attention to Chelsea next season if Silva is our manager. It will absolutely be the nail in the coffin for our hopes of returning to the top table under BlueCo.

At least with Filipe Luis it's a gamble, an interesting one, especially if someone like Thiago Silva is in the coaching set up. But Marco Silva is just a sure fire failure waiting to happen. I'd start the season waiting for it to end. I think the same about Iraola, success at Bournemouth means f**k all to me. He's just a better looking version of Potter.

1 hour ago, RMH said:

they'll take us down the Spurs route.

They have been doing that since poch season but they hit jackpot with Palmer.

6 hours ago, bisright1 said:

I will really struggle paying attention to Chelsea next season if Silva is our manager. It will absolutely be the nail in the coffin for our hopes of returning to the top table under BlueCo.

At least with Filipe Luis it's a gamble, an interesting one, especially if someone like Thiago Silva is in the coaching set up. But Marco Silva is just a sure fire failure waiting to happen. I'd start the season waiting for it to end. I think the same about Iraola, success at Bournemouth means f**k all to me. He's just a better looking version of Potter.

Having Thiago as an assistant would at least add some connection to the fan base.

5 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Having Thiago as an assistant would at least add some connection to the fan base.

The depressing thing is, connection to the fan base seems to be bottom of the list for this ownership group. They think they are smarter than everyone else and don't give a sh*t what we think.

I have a lot of criticism for Roman's ownership, especially towards the end. But they maintained a connection with us.