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[Little Boy Blue]

SORRY - FLECK

[rahul]

Little Boy Blue, on 29 January 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

TORRES, ROBERT FECK, CHRIS SUTTON , SHEVA etc all CRAP

FECKing hell?

[SHELLY]

A good result if a poor performance...I don't think we should underestimate the pressure our players were under before this game, due to all the JT furore, and as poor as QPha are, this was a classic banana skin waiting to happen...
Love the fact that we got a soft penalty too...

[Saaladin]

Little Boy Blue, on 29 January 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:

Guys, Torres aint the problem. It's AVB. he doesn't seem to have a clue regarding tactics, team selection or substitutions.Too many square pegs in round holes. He doesn't seem to realise that we haven't got  the players to play  4-3-3 .
P.S. What input has my hero ( Robbie Di Matteo) got. not much by the look of things.

No, Torres is not the problem, but neither is AVB (aside from some strange subs at times) or the tactics. The problem is talent in key areas.

In order to be a successful team offensively you need to threaten a defense from wide positions and through the middle of the field. Chelsea does not currently have a player that scares you in either area.

People will point to Mata but in my opinion, for Mata to really have a big effect on a game he needs to play with completely different players than what he has now. He is not the type of player who is individually frightening to a defense. Sturridge is inconsistent, although he does have qualities you want in a winger.

At the moment, when planning to defend Chelsea there is no player that the opposing manager needs to really identify in order to shut them down. This is our problem, and until Chelsea goes out and gets players that have the ability to stretch defenses and players that have the technical ability to work the middle of the field then it will be the same old dull Chelsea we've seen the last  two years and Torres will continue to struggle. The man is not Drogba, he is not built to have long balls clipped in to him. He needs service from creative wingers and technically gifted central players to his feet.

I think at the moment, Torres is our most creative player and actually he is currently our best playmaker.

[andrewjk]

SHELLY, on 30 January 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

A good result if a poor performance...I don't think we should underestimate the pressure our players were under before this game, due to all the JT furore, and as poor as QPha are, this was a classic banana skin waiting to happen...
Love the fact that we got a soft penalty too...

Weren't you one of the many on this board bemoaning Chris Foy for giving a soft penalty and "woe is us, the refs hate us" etc. Shouldn't you, and your fellow fans, be embarrassed by your player blatantly diving to get a penalty? I would especially when you calculate the cost of your team, not to mention a certain Torres, that can't get a goal in open play and have to resort to that type of thing. I was slightly embarrassed how Helguson went down to get our penalty earlier in the season if I am honest, but then I put principle above victory. Diving is a curse in the game and should never be tolerated or condoned even it gets your team a goal. Its now so prevalent that we now need TV replays to stamp on it.

If you condone what Sturridge did, then you're hypocrites because you know that was never a penalty in a million yeas - considering the ball was 12 feet in the air at the time and not even in play. Will you acknowledge this? Of course you won't.

Just one thing Id like to add, I really don't like all this hate that has developed between our two clubs. I remember going to Loftus Road in the 90's to watch QPR v Chelsea, and although there was rivalry it seemed good natured. I don't actually blame Chelsea fans for this but our own. Sadly with what has happened this season it will probably get worse before it gets better.

Edited by andrewjk, 01 February 2012 - 07:09 PM.

[TrojanMan]

Do I like that Sturridge dove?  Absolutely not.  I despise flopping in general.  Am I thankful that we won?  Yes.  Do I think it was a bit lucky?  Yes.  Do I feel bad about winning on a dive-induced PK?  Not really.  Considering a similar flop, 2 red cards, and horrendous refereeing are how we lost there last time, I'd say it's a bit of karma.  QPR fans booing Ramires as he was stretchered off is just asking for something horrendous to happen to them in the future.

[wxwax]

andrewjk, on 01 February 2012 - 07:06 PM, said:

Shouldn't you, and your fellow fans, be embarrassed by your player blatantly diving to get a penalty?

If anyone should be embarassed about the match, it should be every single QPR fan in that little stadium.

Booing Ramires as he goes off on a stretcher? What a disgrace.

That alone makes me hope that some day soon QPR plays in a Blue Square league.

Edited by wxwax, 01 February 2012 - 08:18 PM.

[andrewjk]

I don't think that booing would have happened if Sturridge hadn't flopped over like a little girl to get the pen, and after that our fans assumed your players play act to get free-kicks/penalties etc. Cynicism took over. No one in the ground knew the lad had an injury until after the game, but can you blame our fans for booing when your players cheat?

wxwxwx wasnt you also on here bemoaning Chris Foy? Just admit you're a hypocrite who cheers cheaters when it gets you goals/wins. At least be honest mate.

[Spiller86]

You don't boo players who are injured simple.

However, I do understand your frustration with the penalty. I'm happy to admit it was a dive or at least that he went down unnaturally.

[Scooby Blue]

I don't think any of us think it was a penalty, but as the guys above have pointed out, it was in a way a case of 'what goes around comes around'. We're all football fans and I don't think you'll find a fan in the land who doesn't moan when decisions go against them. When the boots on the other foot you're hardly going to hear anybody complaining, but most will atleast admit to being lucky.

They say decisions equal themselves out, followed the game earlier in the season things seem to have done exactly that.

Edited by Scooby Blue, 01 February 2012 - 10:52 PM.

[wxwax]

andrewjk, on 01 February 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

I don't think that booing would have happened if Sturridge hadn't flopped over like a little girl to get the pen, and after that our fans assumed your players play act to get free-kicks/penalties etc. Cynicism took over. No one in the ground knew the lad had an injury until after the game, but can you blame our fans for booing when your players cheat?

Nonsense. The man was down and getting medical attention from mutiple providers. It was unmistakably a serious injury. And he was stretchered off. Which is when the booing began.

Unforgivable.

I thought QPR fans were bad enough in the first match. They wouldn't return the ball for throw-ins and they stood up, finger-pointed and abused Chelsea players every time there was a throw-in.

But this was much, much worse. They're animals and they don't deserve Premier League football. I'll cheer when your club is relegated.

andrewjk, on 01 February 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

wxwxwx wasnt you also on here bemoaning Chris Foy? Just admit you're a hypocrite who cheers cheaters when it gets you goals/wins. At least be honest mate.

I don't normally get mental about the refs. I don't believe that bad decisions even out over a season. But they do happen to everyone. With the exception of Tom Henning Ovrebo, I try to let it go.

So if we're being honest, both your points are rubbish.

[andrewjk]

wxwax, on 01 February 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

Nonsense. The man was down and getting medical attention from mutiple providers. It was unmistakably a serious injury. And he was stretchered off. Which is when the booing began.

Unforgivable.

I thought QPR fans were bad enough in the first match. They wouldn't return the ball for throw-ins and they stood up, finger-pointed and abused Chelsea players every time there was a throw-in.

But this was much, much worse. They're animals and they don't deserve Premier League football. I'll cheer when your club is relegated.





I don't normally get mental about the refs. I don't believe that bad decisions even out over a season. But they do happen to everyone. With the exception of Tom Henning Ovrebo, I try to let it go.

So if we're being honest, both your points are rubbish.

Well, I can't speak for all the fans booing in the stadium or the motivation behind it other than the reason I have already given, but perhaps I will admit that wasn't appropriate behaviour whatever the feelings the fans have about Chelsea or the cheating Sturridge. I have been a QPR fan for 25 years and I personally have never booed any player getting injured or stretched off. And in those 25 years I have never hated Chelsea FC either for that matter.

Again you're prevaricating. It's about your player's blatant dive to get a penalty to con the referee.  The way you're talking about hoping we get relegated and pigeon-holing all fans the same as "animals" etc you're no better. I am sure your club has its section of idiots who shame your club. We're no different but that doesnt mean their actions or chanting speaks for me. Try to be objective.

Scooby Blue, on 01 February 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

I don't think any of us think it was a penalty, but as the guys above have pointed out, it was in a way a case of 'what goes around comes around'. We're all football fans and I don't think you'll find a fan in the land who doesn't moan when decisions go against them. When the boots on the other foot you're hardly going to hear anybody complaining, but most will atleast admit to being lucky.

They say decisions equal themselves out, followed the game earlier in the season things seem to have done exactly that.

This isn't just about the ref's bad decisions as we know they go both ways, it's more about blatant cheating and fans' hypocrisy. I have noticed Helguson bundle over to get penalties and I don't condone that. If I did then I'd be a hypocrite too. We as fans should speak out against this sort of behaviour for the good of the game. Sturridge is a cheater end of story.

Edited by andrewjk, 01 February 2012 - 11:52 PM.

[wxwax]

andrewjk, on 01 February 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

Well, I can't speak for all the fans booing in the stadium or the motivation behind it other than the reason I have already given, but perhaps I will admit that wasn't appropriate behaviour whatever the feelings the fans have about Chelsea or the cheating Sturridge. I have been a QPR fan for 25 years and I personally have never booed any player getting injured or stretched off. And in those 25 years I have never hated Chelsea FC either for that matter.

Again you're prevaricating. It's about your player's blatant dive to get a penalty to con the referee.  The way you're talking about hoping we get relegated and pigeon-holing all fans the same as "animals" etc you're no better. I am sure your club has its section of idiots who shame your club. We're no different but that doesnt mean their actions or chanting speaks for me. Try to be objective.

You keep trying to make this about the penalty.

You're wasting your time.

Enjoy Millwall next season. And with luck, Leyton Orient the season after that.

[andrewjk]

wxwax, on 02 February 2012 - 12:58 AM, said:

You keep trying to make this about the penalty.

You're wasting your time.

Enjoy Millwall next season. And with luck, Leyton Orient the season after that.

You're right on one thing, I am wasting my time with you mate, your arrogance only matches your ignorance. I'd get a better discussion with the cat. You know your guy cheated but you just don't have the cahoonas to say so. You may be through to the next round of the FA Cup, but the integrity of the sport suffers. Worth thinking about (ok I Know you won't do that as that's asking too much).

And if we play Millwall or Leyton Orient, or end up in the Bluesquare playing Chadwell Heath in our tiny legoland of a ground, so be it. I've been through enough ups and downs at QPR - The Soap Opera as it is so nothing shocks me anymore and will support my club whatever division we are in.

And even though we went out controversially and I feel a bit bitter, I wish Chelsea good luck in the next round and the rest of the season. It's a game at the end of the day and football should be the winner over cheating, silly rivalry and hate.

[wxwax]

andrewjk, on 02 February 2012 - 02:13 AM, said:

You're right on one thing, I am wasting my time with you mate, your arrogance only matches your ignorance.

Lovely.

A QPR fan is offended. What a nerve.

Go boo at a funeral. That's your lot's style.