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Our Youth on Loan

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Lots of loanees on show at 3 O'clock with Ake getting his first start for Watford unfortunately MvG has been left on the bench for Stoke but 3 players in the Reading v Middlesborough game with Hector Kalas and Piazon all starting.

Come on Ake show the BPL what you are made of

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Was surprised to see Christensen start against Juventus, played well for the small bit I saw as well. Manager seems to have a lot of faith in him, I can see him being our Stones. 

Was surprised to see Christensen start against Juventus, played well for the small bit I saw as well. Manager seems to have a lot of faith in him, I can see him being our Stones.

He started their game against City as well and played great. Said it before, nonsense paying 40m for Stones when we have this man on loan

He started their game against City as well and played great. Said it before, nonsense paying 40m for Stones when we have this man on loan

 

He won't get a chance here though. We would have to sell him then sign him for £20m+ in order for him to get a game. It's all about price tag at Chelsea

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I disagree. Jose is well aware of his potential. He kept him around last season and gave him a medal for the few times he played. This is more of a Solanke situation I feel.

Sorry to disagree but he isn't a jose buy, I'm not confident he has a chance at the club given the way we're going all out to find a future partner for zouma

Sorry to disagree but he isn't a jose buy, I'm not confident he has a chance at the club given the way we're going all out to find a future partner for zouma

Neither were the majority of our first team I really don't get this whole 'jose buy' cliche surely he can recognise talent.

Surely it more boils down to whether he fits Jose style of play or not rather than if jose bought him or not.

And more likely than not a Jose signing he will have been bought with this in mind.

The fact that Jose is looking elsewhere suggests he might not be considered as the future 1st choice pairing but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have only one egg in the basket you need 3 or 4 top quality CB's in a squad and he could quite easily be one of those and who knows he could oust who ever we have bought for this position.

And since the players we have been linked to are similar players to Christensen in Stones and Marquinos, it shows he might just fit what Jose is looking for.

  

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Neither were the majority of our first team I really don't get this whole 'jose buy' cliche surely he can recognise talent.

Surely it more boils down to whether he fits Jose style of play or not rather than if jose bought him or not.

And more likely than not a Jose signing he will have been bought with this in mind.

The fact that Jose is looking elsewhere suggests he might not be considered as the future 1st choice pairing but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have only one egg in the basket you need 3 or 4 top quality CB's in a squad and he could quite easily be one of those and who knows he could oust who ever we have bought for this position.

And since the players we have been linked to are similar players to Christensen in Stones and Marquinos, it shows he might just fit what Jose is looking for.

This is what Im thinking. This summer Stones was much more first team ready than him. No reason we cant sign 1 more and still bring him back if he never turns out to be top class.

On the other hand if he keeps turning in great performances all season there may not be a reason to buy another first choice CB.

Good to see Ake play the full game for Watford yesterday and help them earn 3 points at Stoke.

 

See Bamford also got some minutes for Palace yesterday.

Why are players like Ake, Christensen & Kalas out on loan when they are better than some of our current squad? Kalas was brilliant  at Liverpool season before last, yet we sign some bloke from Reading ( can't remember his name). Jose is never gonna give youth a chance, might as well shut the academy down. 

Why are players like Ake, Christensen & Kalas out on loan when they are better than some of our current squad? Kalas was brilliant at Liverpool season before last, yet we sign some bloke from Reading ( can't remember his name). Jose is never gonna give youth a chance, might as well shut the academy down.

Exaggerate much?

Jose is never gonna give youth a chance, might as well shut the academy down. 

Well that's been his plan all along   http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/11283101/Jose-Mourinho-If-Chelsea-dont-bring-young-players-through-then-we-should-close-our-academy.html

 

But in all seriousness, considering the way this season is shaping up and Mourinho's tendencies, it doesn't look like a good season for integrating youth into the squad.

 

Looking back at what Mourinho said earlier this season (http://www.espnfc.com.au/chelsea/story/2636750/jose-mourinho-ill-just-play-the-kids-if-chelsea-fail):

 

"If the season goes in one direction, that it becomes closed and we can't win [trophies], I will go just with the kids. It makes no sense, when you have nothing to win, to play the older players. I'll play the players we're waiting for instead."

 

If the above is taken literally you'd expect more young players to play more minutes as of late. However, we've seen very little of that so far. Kennedy looked very lively coming off the bench and looked like he could at least be a good impact sub this season (what's happened to him?). And if Jose sees Baba as his future left back, wouldn't he want to blood him in?

 

Would need some Goldilocks scenario for Mourinho to start playing the youth. He'll rely on the tried and trusted if the team is chasing a CL spot. Can only see a lot of game time for youth if the team has secured a CL place.

Well that's been his plan all along   http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/11283101/Jose-Mourinho-If-Chelsea-dont-bring-young-players-through-then-we-should-close-our-academy.html

 

But in all seriousness, considering the way this season is shaping up and Mourinho's tendencies, it doesn't look like a good season for integrating youth into the squad.

 

Looking back at what Mourinho said earlier this season (http://www.espnfc.com.au/chelsea/story/2636750/jose-mourinho-ill-just-play-the-kids-if-chelsea-fail):

 

"If the season goes in one direction, that it becomes closed and we can't win [trophies], I will go just with the kids. It makes no sense, when you have nothing to win, to play the older players. I'll play the players we're waiting for instead."

 

If the above is taken literally you'd expect more young players to play more minutes as of late. However, we've seen very little of that so far. Kennedy looked very lively coming off the bench and looked like he could at least be a good impact sub this season (what's happened to him?). And if Jose sees Baba as his future left back, wouldn't he want to blood him in?

 

Would need some Goldilocks scenario for Mourinho to start playing the youth. He'll rely on the tried and trusted if the team is chasing a CL spot. Can only see a lot of game time for youth if the team has secured a CL place.

 

So what you're saying is our youth players better hope that three bears break-in to Jose's home and eat his porridge and sleep in his bed?!!!

So what you're saying is our youth players better hope that three bears break-in to Jose's home and eat his porridge and sleep in his bed?!!!

 

That scenario would make an interesting read in the morning papers!

What I meant is that the youth players better start making Jose better porridge for breakfast. Hopefully that will get him in a better mood and smiling again :smile:

 

Or rather, what I meant is only in a season that is "just right" (not fighting for 1st or 4th) will jose give a lot of chances to youth. If you liked the analogy, going for 1st place would be like a porridge that is too hot and battling for 4th it is too cold.

On Jose playing youth, here is a comparison between us City and Arsenal
Minutes and appearances given to players 21 or under

Chelsea
Kurt Zouma  BPL 9 (688) CL 3 (270) LC 1 (120) (1078)
Baba              BPL 2 (93)  CL 1 (90)  LC 2 (159) (372)
RLC               BPL 2 (62)  CL 1 (76)  LC 1 (71)  (209)
Kenedy          BPL 2 (57)  CL 1 (17)  LC 2 (119) (193)
Traore           BPL 0 (0)   CL 1 (13)  LC 1 (40)  (53)
Total BPL 15(900) CL 7 (466) LC 7 (509) (1905)
 
Man City
Sterling          BPL 9 (644) CL 3 (250) LC 1 (90)  (984)
Roberts         BPL 1 (4)   CL 0 (0)   LC 2 (50)  (54)
Iheanacho     BPL 6 (43)  Cl 0 (0)   LC 1 (90)  (133)
Manu Garcia   BPL 0 (0)   CL 0 (0)   LC 2 (22)  (22)
George Evans   BPL 0 (0)   CL 0 (0)   LC 1 (1)   (1)
Total BPL 16(691) CL 3 (250) LC 7 (253) (1194)
 
Arsenal
Bellerin         BPL 9 (810) CL 2 (175) LC 0 (0)   (985)
Chambers    BPL 2 (134) CL 0 (0)   LC 2 (180) (314)
Kamara       BPL 0 (0)   CL 0 (0)   LC 1 (59)  (59)
Iwobi            BPL 0 (0)   CL 0 (0)   LC 1 (90)  (90)
Bielik            BPL 0 (0)   CL 0 (0)   LC 1 (30)  (30)
Bennacer     BPL 0 (0)   CL 0 (0)   LC 1 (71)  (71)
Total BPL 11(944) CL 2 (175) LC 6 (430) (1549)


Given Wenger is known for giving youth players a shot I think this shows Jose can and will play youth, admittedly we have been in pretty bad shape and a lot will believe he could have done more but playing youth has been one of the positive this season has brought. I mean 900 minutes for players under 21 in 10 games isn't that bad.

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