2 minutes ago, the special one said:

http://www.football-observatory.com/-Ratings-eng-?code=394

Recovery - 38

(Ake is 45, Luiz 67, Christensen 55, JT 43, Zouma 55)

It's not great, that isn't just through one on ones though. Like I said, weak aspect of his game, but one of the worst in the league is a long shot. If you recall that England game, he made a clearance off the line and came close to blocking the winning goal, no other defender in sight, not his best game but it would have been worse without him.

22 minutes ago, the special one said:

I didn't agree that Cahill doesn't deserve a winners medal, but I do agree about Cahill's ability 1v1...

http://www.football-observatory.com/-Ratings-eng-?code=394

Recovery - 38

(Ake 45, Luiz 67, Christensen 55, JT 43, Zouma 55)

On the plus side his Distribution and Rigour are better than VVD and he is the 2nd coming of the mesiah so he can't be that bad.

Just looked at the information on the stats and Recovery is proficiency to stop attacks through interceptions and Rigour for which he scores 80 is the ability to minimise goal opportunities by robust duelling so surely that discredits your point.

9 minutes ago, PedroMendez said:

On the plus side his Distribution and Rigour are better than VVD and he is the 2nd coming of the mesiah so he can't be that bad.

Just looked at the information on the stats and Recovery is proficiency to stop attacks through interceptions and Rigour for which he scores 80 is the ability to minimise goal opportunities by robust duelling so surely that discredits your point.

Robust duelling to my mind is physical duels? I would have thought 1v1s and positioning is recovery.

I simply agree with Pejic's comment based on the fact the stats actually back up his point, please don't misinterpret that I don't rate Cahill.

12 hours ago, PedroMendez said:

On the plus side his Distribution and Rigour are better than VVD and he is the 2nd coming of the mesiah so he can't be that bad.

Interesting.

i've read GC's twitter from time to time and even when he's playing well, you see dickheads with chelsea avatars flaming the sh*t out of him. it's toxic as f**k.

complete disrespect

Second player behind Matic that needs an upgrade in his position for next season imo

Absolute f**kng disgrace hammering Cahiil, some real idiotic posts on here, GC has tried and actually succeeded in trying to Emulate the mighty JT, Hasn't GC just successfully led us to the PL, scored some crucial goals, oh you sad people, if we'd of done a Spurs and blew the title down to him fair enough, Just never happy some folk, great reason to just post sporadically.

Yours faithfully Miffed

9 hours ago, Ballack & Blu said:

Absolute f**kng disgrace hammering Cahiil, some real idiotic posts on here, GC has tried and actually succeeded in trying to Emulate the mighty JT, Hasn't GC just successfully led us to the PL, scored some crucial goals, oh you sad people, if we'd of done a Spurs and blew the title down to him fair enough, Just never happy some folk, great reason to just post sporadically.

Yours faithfully Miffed

lol. 

Just because he was the captain when we won the league doesn't mean he wasn't one of the weakest on the pitch. If we want to win the CL again we need players a couple of levels above Cahill, not keep him in for sentiments sake. 

4 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

one of the weakest on the pitch.

Disagree, he made a few errors, always atoned for them. We wouldn't have won the league without his goals, he led by example. 

4 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

If we want to win the CL again we need players a couple of levels above Cahill, not keep him in for sentiments sake. 

Fair enough, he can be sloppy on occasions and perhaps we can upgrade the position, I've nothing against that. The only problem I have is when people irrationally criticise him.  

5 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

lol. 

Just because he was the captain when we won the league doesn't mean he wasn't one of the weakest on the pitch. If we want to win the CL again we need players a couple of levels above Cahill, not keep him in for sentiments sake. 

Sorry but i think you might have missed the last half of the season. 

He was a tower after our jittery period. He defended and led well and scored some crucial goals, Southampton and Stoke come to mind. 

You're also forgeting that he was at the the heart of the defence that won the Champions League last time. But then again he wasn't good enough for Chelsea then either.

24 minutes ago, Floyd25 said:

Disagree, he made a few errors, always atoned for them. We wouldn't have won the league without his goals, he led by example. 

Fair enough, he can be sloppy on occasions and perhaps we can upgrade the position, I've nothing against that. The only problem I have is when people irrationally criticise him.  

Impossible to say whether this were true. Had another defender been on the pitch we may have scored double and won the league sooner. I would rather judge a defender on their defending than goal scoring ability.

3 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

Sorry but i think you might have missed the last half of the season. 

He was a tower after our jittery period. He defended and led well and scored some crucial goals, Southampton and Stoke come to mind. 

You're also forgeting that he was at the the heart of the defence that won the Champions League last time. But then again he wasn't good enough for Chelsea then either.

I missed nothing. Our defense isn't good enough to challenge for a CL atm and when you look at our back three Cahill isn't as good as Luiz or Azpi, therefore the weakness. I agree he leads well but his defending leaves a lot to be desired. He stands off people far too much. After Matic he is the first person i'd upgrade. 

17 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Impossible to say whether this were true. Had another defender been on the pitch we may have scored double and won the league sooner. I would rather judge a defender on their defending than goal scoring ability.

Same, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying his goal scoring covers up his defensive lapses, I'm saying his 6 goals played a vital part in us winning the league. Winning goals against Stoke, crucial goals against Southampton on the stroke of half time and Everton, which killed the game. No defender got close to his overall goal tally, I highly doubt if Terry had played he would have scored 16 goals, but you never know. It's impossible to dislike Cahill after last season and he isn't half as bad defensively as people make him out to be.

Edited June 20, 20179 yr by Floyd25

15 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

Sorry but i think you might have missed the last half of the season. 

He was a tower after our jittery period. He defended and led well and scored some crucial goals, Southampton and Stoke come to mind. 

You're also forgeting that he was at the the heart of the defence that won the Champions League last time. But then again he wasn't good enough for Chelsea then either.

We kept only 4 clean sheets in the prem after xmas.

Goals are good also but you have to judge on his defending. Plus the 'crucial' Stoke goal came after he needlessly fouled Walters and gave away the Pen.

Some of the criticism of Cahill on this page is over the top but he is the weak link in the back 3. Doesn't mean he's a bad player, you just have to look at improving. 

He's slow and nervous on the ball (maybe to do with him being on the left side) and is pretty poor in 1 v 1 situations. However, no one smells danger quicker than him. He has usually smelt danger, dealt with it and back in position before Luiz has even realised something is happening haha. 

Also, judging a player on his ability to play well in the CL next year by his performance 5 years ago is probably not a good idea. 

1 hour ago, Spiller86 said:

Sorry but i think you might have missed the last half of the season. 

He was a tower after our jittery period. He defended and led well and scored some crucial goals, Southampton and Stoke come to mind. 

You're also forgeting that he was at the the heart of the defence that won the Champions League last time. But then again he wasn't good enough for Chelsea then either.

Although i don't agree with the such harsh perception of Cahill by some, Munich can't really be used as a reason as to why player's are good enough or not. It was an incredible underdog story but we were underdogs for a very, very good reason.

Edited June 20, 20179 yr by Argo

Yes we might have to upgrade, was Contes back 3 because Luis wasn't trusted in a Back 4, so effectively he was a sweeper?, there isn't many i'd swap now in the PL for Cahill, sometimes the Chelsea fans are just spoilt, if Tottenham hadn't of had such a Stellar season, we'd of strolled the PL, and i'm not sure Conte is going to ditch GC, i think Dave is moe likely to suffer?

14 hours ago, Ballack & Blu said:

Yes we might have to upgrade, was Contes back 3 because Luis wasn't trusted in a Back 4, so effectively he was a sweeper?, there isn't many i'd swap now in the PL for Cahill, sometimes the Chelsea fans are just spoilt, if Tottenham hadn't of had such a Stellar season, we'd of strolled the PL, and i'm not sure Conte is going to ditch GC, i think Dave is moe likely to suffer?

Would hate to see Dave replaced. Our best defender by a country mile.

53 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Would hate to see Dave replaced. Our best defender by a country mile.

Not against Spurs he wasn't, he was cruelly exposed by Alli, and i expect other teams will Target him in the air this season!!!

18 minutes ago, Ballack & Blu said:

Not against Spurs he wasn't, he was cruelly exposed by Alli, and i expect other teams will Target him in the air this season!!!

Other teams tried to expose him throughout the entire season in  the air and no one else managed it !!!1!!!11!!!!!!!111!

25 minutes ago, Ballack & Blu said:

Not against Spurs he wasn't, he was cruelly exposed by Alli, and i expect other teams will Target him in the air this season!!!

I think there are so many more factors to that, 

 

Ali's movement was second to none, lampard esque

Erricson should not have been given that much time to get a pin perfect cross in

There is an argument it should have been moses picking up 

48 minutes ago, Ballack & Blu said:

Not against Spurs he wasn't, he was cruelly exposed by Alli, and i expect other teams will Target him in the air this season!!!

One game? Cahill has alot more weaknesses than Dave. 

Cahill scores far more, so wins far more, its just about opinions, you won't change my mind, i won't change others!!!

1 hour ago, Ballack & Blu said:

Not against Spurs he wasn't, he was cruelly exposed by Alli, and i expect other teams will Target him in the air this season!!!

It is absolutely ridiculous that people are using one game to suggest Cesar should be moved or dropped, and for literally his only defensive weakness as well. Would you have dropped prime Terry for lack of pace because it got exposed one time our of 70?

Edited June 21, 20179 yr by Argo

Dave is our best defender! He has been incredible in that RCB role. Harsh rating him on one game against very good opposition. 

Cahill's age and the hint of him being on the downturn has him as the natural player to be upgraded. Azpil to get the captaincy for me. 

VvD loves a goal if we buy him and Ake has shown to be capable at putting one in. Cahill might have scored 6 prem goals but he also made 4 or 5 mistakes that led straight to goals being conceeded. Swansea, Stoke and Man City all coming straight to mind. 

Hoping for Azpil Luiz VvD set up next season. With Azpil, Luiz, VvD, Cahill, Ake and AC in the squad. With Azpil a back up for Moses im hoping AC and Ake will get plenty of game time.

1 hour ago, Ballack & Blu said:

Cahill scores far more, so wins far more, its just about opinions, you won't change my mind, i won't change others!!!

A defenders job is to stop goals, not score them. A nice bonus but Cahill is the weak link in what our defenses main job is to do. 

30 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

A defenders job is to stop goals, not score them. A nice bonus but Cahill is the weak link in what our defenses main job is to do. 

Stop giving 100% categoric statements, its a 100% categoric opinion!!!