I dont think its a coincidence that the first 3 or 4 months when Oscar was on form we played well, our dip has came at the same time as his. He is integral to the way mourinho wants us to play and we would be crazy to sell him.

I dont think its a coincidence that the first 3 or 4 months when Oscar was on form we played well, our dip has came at the same time as his. He is integral to the way mourinho wants us to play and we would be crazy to sell him.

 

If this dip in form was isolated dkw, I would agree with you. But ever since he signed for us his form has been very up & down and the poor form lasts too long. You cannot have an integral player being as inconsistent as Oscar has. I think it is now over 10 weeks since he managed to play a full 90 minutes.

His inconsistency is a massive problem, I agree. But hopefully that can be either eliminated from his game or worked around with a stronger squad. He has shown he has quality and can win us games, I think we need to see how mourinho works out his problems rather than just bin him.

Stick willian in the no10 role from now on and let oscar up his game to keep his place, if he doesn't then he gets sold. I can only compare him to someone like coutinho who, although inconsistent on occasions, is so much more consistent and important for Liverpool than oscar is for us. There's the other side of the coin that oscar just isn't cut out to work as hard as José demands and it's starting to show. Ramires and oscar are weak links right now, but fortunately they will fetch a decent fee between them. If we decide to sell, I'm sure we can bring in players who will bring a lot more to the team than those two do right now. His goalscoring has totally gone off the boil lately too, and when we need midfielders who can score goals in important games (especially now) this is when he needs to step up and score some.

Coutinho more consistent? Not in my opinion he's not. Oscar had a good 3 months, coutinho has had a month or so this season and has dropped right of lately.

I dont think its a coincidence that the first 3 or 4 months when Oscar was on form we played well, our dip has came at the same time as his. He is integral to the way mourinho wants us to play and we would be crazy to sell him.

 

Incredibly good point and I don't think it's a coincidence that our last all-round brilliant performance coincided with Oscar's, away to Swansea.

 

On form he adds so much to our game defensively and offensively and takes a lot of the pressure off of both Matic and Fabregas.

He's off the boil more than he is on it, that's the problem.

Jose has started to lose patience hence him being hooked in games recently.

If he doesn't get his act together in the remaining games I cna see Jose moving him on, Jose needs his starters to be consisitant and that is Oscars biggest wekaness, he's never had a season of it at Chelsea.

He needs to take a look at Eden who has improved ten fold under Jose's guidance, he's been able to keep his consistancy up and is our main man.

If Oscar can't then Jose will find someone who can.

Edited April 7, 201511 yr by Chelsbear

Would want to see him leave unless it is in some form of exchange for Pogba. I think dkw hit the nail on the head. He's only 23 and we should have stronger squad to cover for oscar more.

The lack of rotation in the squad has effected him more than any other player which isn't surprising as he has always struggled in the after Xmas.

Some players will never be able to perform for an entire season, especially in the prem. He has too much potential to let him leave at this stage of his career.

I think his days are numbered at the club. Never fully convinced by him. I'm sure he'll be great in Serie A or maybe Bundesliga, but he doesn't quite cut it in this league. 

I think his days are numbered at the club. Never fully convinced by him. I'm sure he'll be great in Serie A or maybe Bundesliga, but he doesn't quite cut it in this league. 

 

Who would you replace him with?

i think his first 3 months of the season last season showed he can cut in this league and any other league. he was not only our best player during that spell but one of the best in this league. i dont think his ability is questionable but there are definite question marks on his desire/mentality.

 

does... not being consistent and falling away after a good start to the season reflect him having a poor mentality at the top level or does it simply mean he's not good enough? i really don't know.

 

ive lost patience with him as well but i'd be willing to give him 1 more season unless we were put into a position to sell him off at a good price and only if that was to facilitate a move for a clearly superior player(like pogba)

Who would you replace him with?

 I don't think he has to be directly replaced with a number 10. Neither will I want him replaced by a central midfielder like Pogba, who I feel is a luxury buy. I think there a cheaper options who can be understudy to Fabregas. i.e Andre Gomes. Young, technically gifted CM from Valencia who can dictate tempo, who we're linked with. In addition to RLC, we will be fine in the pivot.

 

 More to the point, I think it's imperative that in the event Oscar is sold, we should go all out for either Reus or Bale. Both those situations should be monitored very closely. It's safe to say, that besides, Hazard, the 3 behind the striker have been extremely disappointing in one way or the other, be it Schurrle, Oscar, Willian or Salah. We are short on a world class option there and a 2nd/3rd goal threat. A Reus or Bale, besides being top players will give us something we don't have. They are more orthodox wide players and they don't have to have the ball at their feet to be dangerous, like a Hazard or Willian. 

 

So, I won't be looking at a like for like switch. 

 I don't think he has to be directly replaced with a number 10. Neither will I want him replaced by a central midfielder like Pogba, who I feel is a luxury buy. I think there a cheaper options who can be understudy to Fabregas. i.e Andre Gomes. Young, technically gifted CM from Valencia who can dictate tempo, who we're linked with. In addition to RLC, we will be fine in the pivot.

 

 More to the point, I think it's imperative that in the event Oscar is sold, we should go all out for either Reus or Bale. Both those situations should be monitored very closely. It's safe to say, that besides, Hazard, the 3 behind the striker have been extremely disappointing in one way or the other, be it Schurrle, Oscar, Willian or Salah. We are short on a world class option there and a 2nd/3rd goal threat. A Reus or Bale, besides being top players will give us something we don't have. They are more orthodox wide players and they don't have to have the ball at their feet to be dangerous, like a Hazard or Willian. 

 

So, I won't be looking at a like for like switch. 

 

Not bad options, but is Andre Gomes a significant upgrade on Oscar? Can he provide Hazard with the freedom to drift in to the middle of the pitch and even out to the right flank like Oscar does? I'd certainly take Bale on the right-wing but I still think you need someone like Oscar in there who is comfortable drifting out to the flanks, linking play and also getting back and helping out Matic and Fabregas in the pivot.

Amazing to think Jose wanted to build a team around Oscar.

Not bad options, but is Andre Gomes a significant upgrade on Oscar? Can he provide Hazard with the freedom to drift in to the middle of the pitch and even out to the right flank like Oscar does? I'd certainly take Bale on the right-wing but I still think you need someone like Oscar in there who is comfortable drifting out to the flanks, linking play and also getting back and helping out Matic and Fabregas in the pivot.

Hazard should be moved to the 10 position next season. That's his best/favourite position and it's at the centre, closer to goal, were he will go to an even higher level, like Messi did. Bale/Reus will be on the left. Willian on the right. Andre Gomes will be an understudy to Fabregas in the deep-lying playmaker position. Along with Loftus Cheek. It's clear that Oscar's career is stalling at the club. Excluding a couple of games in the first few  months of the season, he's been an enormous let down 3 seasons in a row now. 

Edited April 8, 201511 yr by The Liquidator

Hazard should be moved to the 10 position next season. That's his best/favourite position and it's at the centre, closer to goal, were he will go to an even higher level, like Messi did. Bale/Reus will be on the left. Willian on the right. Andre Gomes will be an understudy to Fabregas in the deep-lying playmaker position. Along with Loftus Cheek. It's clear that Oscar's career is stalling at the club. Excluding a couple of games in the first few  months of the season, he's been an enormous let down 3 seasons in a row now. 

 

Messi was moved up top but I wouldn't mind seeing him played there although I do wonder if that doesn't leave us light in the middle. He'd have to do far more pressing and it's not like he doesn't already have the freedom to drift off that wing and find space wherever it's available. Don't like the idea of Bale on the left, but Reus absolutely.

 

Think you're slightly harsh on Oscar who is admittedly inconsistent but has improved year on year. He hasn't played well since January 17th though, and neither has the team in fairness. I still think he provides so much in terms of balance to this team - he covers Hazard when he drifts in, he supports the press magnificently from behind the striker, he gets stuck in alongside Matic and Fabregas and also takes some of the playmaking duties off of the latter....when he's on-form. Fact is he's 23, same age as the likes of Mason and Coquelin who have just broken into their respective teams. He needs one more year for me, both from a footballing and business standpoint.

Edited April 8, 201511 yr by Blue Daze

Having said all this, he's played a hell of a lot for club and country. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt due to possible fatigue. I don't know though, as he seems to be in a form rut.

Messi was moved up top but I wouldn't mind seeing him played there although I do wonder if that doesn't leave us light in the middle. He'd have to do far more pressing and it's not like he doesn't already have the freedom to drift off that wing and find space wherever it's available. Don't like the idea of Bale on the left, but Reus absolutely.

Think you're slightly harsh on Oscar who is admittedly inconsistent but has improved year on year. He hasn't played well since January 17th though, and neither has the team in fairness. I still think he provides so much in terms of balance to this team - he covers Hazard when he drifts in, he supports the press magnificently from behind the striker, he gets stuck in alongside Matic and Fabregas and also takes some of the playmaking duties off of the latter....when he's on-form. Fact is he's 23, same age as the likes of Mason and Coquelin who have just broken into their respective teams. He needs one more year for me, both from a footballing and business standpoint.

I wasn't too harsh on him. In fact, he's probably the worst performing player in Chelsea right now, if anything i was kind. He's been a liability for months without better players i.e Fabregas to hold his hand because they themselves have declined.

I'll get back to this common canard "pressing" business used to defend Oscar later today because I'm busy now.

Having said all this, he's played a hell of a lot for club and country. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt due to possible fatigue. I don't know though, as he seems to be in a form rut.

As have plenty of other players.

We pushed that excuse the last 2 seasons for him but he's given the exact same poor effort and perfromance after Christmas for 3 years running now.

It's not a tiredness issue IMO.

I wasn't too harsh on him. In fact, he's probably the worst performing player in Chelsea right now, if anything i was kind. He's been a liability for months without better players i.e Fabregas to hold his hand because they themselves have declined.

I'll get back to this common canard "pressing" business used to defend Oscar later today because I'm busy now.

 

Fair enough. I think you've made some good points and I understand why people are frustrated with him because I am as well. He can be so much better, and I slated him last season too. Maybe I'm a fool who needs to move on but he's shown he has ability and he's still a young player. 

 

I hope he gets another year, I hope he kicks on dramatically but if he gets sold I'd understand and I certainly understand the frustration with him.

As have plenty of other players.

We pushed that excuse the last 2 seasons for him but he's given the exact same poor effort and perfromance after Christmas for 3 years running now.

It's not a tiredness issue IMO.

 

He still hasn't had one summer without some form of tournament for like 4 years running. He has had olympics, world cup, confed cup, copa america.

 

He is 23 years old and has played about 270 games in 5 years. Never mind that every Brazillian appearance is normally a global world tour to far away countries.

Edited April 8, 201511 yr by Stim

He's not a kid.

He's an established international and has played football at the highest level for mor ehtna 3 years now.

We should be seeing a marked improvement in him now he is pushing into his mid 20's. With Oscar it's been the same every single season...starts off well then by Christmas he dissapears.

If we are to be fighting on all fronts and winning trophies then we will need a no 10 who shows up all season...not just half of it.

Keep him by all means but we need to get someone else in who will deliver what Oscar cannot.

Not bad options, but is Andre Gomes a significant upgrade on Oscar? Can he provide Hazard with the freedom to drift in to the middle of the pitch and even out to the right flank like Oscar does? I'd certainly take Bale on the right-wing but I still think you need someone like Oscar in there who is comfortable drifting out to the flanks, linking play and also getting back and helping out Matic and Fabregas in the pivot.

I dont think finding someone that can drift out wide is going to be much of a problem. Most of the time he tries to "link up" he gives the ball away. We already have a guy like that in Willian who is equally adapt at helping out the two guys in the pivot. Willian also has a lot better ball control and has the ability to start attacks from deep using his athletecism to skip past opposing players. Oscar doesnt, he is generally poor when he has the ball in a deeper position

He's not a kid.

He's an established international and has played football at the highest level for mor ehtna 3 years now.

We should be seeing a marked improvement in him now he is pushing into his mid 20's. With Oscar it's been the same every single season...starts off well then by Christmas he dissapears.

If we are to be fighting on all fronts and winning trophies then we will need a no 10 who shows up all season...not just half of it.

Keep him by all means but we need to get someone else in who will deliver what Oscar cannot.

 

Good points. He should be improving and getting more direct goal contributions year on year, and he should be getting similar figures to the likes of Isco and Gotze.

 

He should also be maintaining his form after Christmas. Having said that Fabregas, Costa and Matic have also had noticeable dips in the same period. 

 

 

I dont think finding someone that can drift out wide is going to be much of a problem. Most of the time he tries to "link up" he gives the ball away. We already have a guy like that in Willian who is equally adapt at helping out the two guys in the pivot. Willian also has a lot better ball control and has the ability to start attacks from deep using his athletecism to skip past opposing players. Oscar doesnt, he is generally poor when he has the ball in a deeper position

 

I just disagree. Willian's athleticism is good but he rarely gets past a player. He has good ball control but I don't think he has the vision to really do much with it and at the age of 26, can you point to a single month when he has consistently influenced games and been a matchwinner in the same way Oscar did for us at the start of last season? Any month of the 100 or so he's had as a professional footballer?

 

Oscar is not the finished article and he may never be. He's also scored the same number of goals in his first three seasons as Lampard did.

 

I'd like to see him have a more relaxed schedule this summer and then get one more season, but if he doesn't then I can see why. 

He's not a kid.

He's an established international and has played football at the highest level for mor ehtna 3 years now.

We should be seeing a marked improvement in him now he is pushing into his mid 20's. With Oscar it's been the same every single season...starts off well then by Christmas he dissapears.

If we are to be fighting on all fronts and winning trophies then we will need a no 10 who shows up all season...not just half of it.

Keep him by all means but we need to get someone else in who will deliver what Oscar cannot.

 

He has the physical apperance of a kid. I've never understood why Mourinho and other coaches haven't forced him to bulk up some, beats trying to drink a bottle of M&Ms.