he should be getting similar figures to the likes of Isco and Gotze.

 

Isco: 2400 mins 5 goals 8 assists

Goetze: 2225 mins 15 goals 3 assists

Oscar: 2231 mins 8 goals 7 assists

 

He only plays 3 months a season but what a 3 months it is. The stats for players surprise me every time I look them up. Every single player Oscar has been compared to have similar numbers.

Isco: 2400 mins 5 goals 8 assists

Goetze: 2225 mins 15 goals 3 assists

Oscar: 2231 mins 8 goals 7 assists

 

He only plays 3 months a season but what a 3 months it is. The stats for players surprise me every time I look them up. Every single player Oscar has been compared to have similar numbers.

 

Exactly

Before someone pulls me up on it, yes Goetze is a better goalscorer.

 

If Oscar upped his consistency he'd be an absolute beast. If people are moaning about De Bruyne then I imagine they would be kicking themselves if we gave up on Oscar. He's the only one who actually has much better stats than Oscar.

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Even comparing to gotze or Isco is apples and oranges becaue they play in different leagues.

 

Let’s look closer to home:

 

Sterling:  3110 mins – 7 goals – 8 Assists

Di-maria – 1539 – 4 goals and 10 assists – not quite like for like but not a bad bench marker              

Ozil (Regarded by some as the best #10 in the game) – 1558 mins 5 goals 6 assists

Mata  - 1752 – 8 Goals 4 assists (I love and miss mata but you can’t argue with the fact’s)

Carzola (because Goooners just by number 10s) 2938mins 7 goals and 10 assists

 

Sanchez stands out and I think we can all admit that we should possibly have been in for him, not exactly the same position as Oscar but if we are thinking players in the final 3^rd. Regardless the list above is pretty decent company to be in, to put in to perspective, we have 2 champions league winners, a couple of laliga titles in there and the Sterling and Carzola J

 

And I guarantee none of the above get through the amount of work that Oscar does! Should he be starting, on current from probably not but if we look at the alternatives, it’s ramires in center mid with Fabregas pushed or Willian at number 10 which I’m fine with but Cadrado on the right wing and I don’t think he’s ready (I’d be more inclined to try that) Shold we be selling, absolutely not!!! He’s patchy in his form but when he’s on song the whole team seems to play much better! Stick with the kid, work on his consistency, his focus… 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3029346/Chelsea-midfielder-Oscar-learning-hard-way-taken-Jose-Mourinho-off.html

There is a passage in Diego Torres’s book, 'The Special One - The Secret World of Jose Mourinho', which goes a long way to understanding the practices of Chelsea’s manager.

In the English version of Torres’s biography, the exchanges between Mourinho and Cristiano Ronaldo in the dressing room at Real Madrid start on page 138 and finish five pages later.

Here is an abridged version of the alleged events in the team meeting before the second leg of the 2011 Champions League semi-final against Barcelona, when Ronaldo had made it clear he expected Los Blancos to be more adventurous in the Bernabeu.

According to Torres, the Real Madrid coach told his star player: ‘I’m going to say it to your face: you complain that we play defensively. But do you know why we play this way? For you.

‘Because, as you don’t want to defend or cover the wings, I have to have the team sitting deep... when you come on, you do your own thing.’

That meeting, held in the presence of the great Zinedine Zidane, apparently lasted 40 minutes.

Real Madrid drew the second leg 1-1 and Barcelona progressed to the final, where they beat Manchester United 3-1 at Wembley.

Team meetings are a theme of Mourinho’s management, giving his players the floor during the fallow periods that inevitably occur during the course of a long season.

It is a pragmatic approach, one to be admired, unless you happen to be one of the players who challenges Mourinho’s coaching philosophy.

You cannot blame Oscar, the current fall-guy, for encouraging Chelsea to play with a sense of adventure at a team meeting that took place during their wobble at the end of January.

When you can call upon Oscar, Eden Hazard and Willian, why wouldn’t you?

Oscar has been put back in his box in recent weeks, failing to start or finish a full 90 minutes in all competitions for Chelsea since the 1-0 victory over Liverpool in the Capital One Cup semi-final second leg on January 27.

The Brazilian forward has not completed a Barclays Premier League match since the 5-0 victory at Swansea City, where he scored twice for the league leaders, 10 days earlier.

Oscar put Chelsea ahead in the opening minute at the Liberty Stadium and his second, when he beat Swansea keeper Lukas Fabianski in the 36th minute from the edge of the area, is the last time he has scored.

Since the 1-0 victory over Liverpool in the Capital One Cup at Stamford Bridge, Oscar has been substituted or been named substitute in 10 of Chelsea’s last 11 fixtures.

Here is the record in full. Manchester City (substituted, 89); Aston Villa (substituted, 73); Paris Saint-Germain (substitute, 83); Burnley (substituted, 72); Tottenham (substitute, 88); West Ham (substituted, 74); Paris Saint-Germain (substituted, 45); Southampton (substituted, 82); Hull (substitute, 61); Stoke (substituted, 45). Against Everton, on February 11, he was not in the squad.

Naturally Oscar has some concerns, worried that his views at a routine team meeting have been misinterpreted by this most demanding of managers.

It is believed to have been innocuous, an observation from a player who has been a popular and respectful member of the Chelsea dressing room since his move from Internacional in 2012.

He is certainly not regarded as a troublemaker.

It was Oscar, after all, who is so highly-regarded by the coaching staff at Chelsea that he was considered a potential, future rival to the annual duel between Lionel Messi and Ronaldo for the Ballon d’Or.

When Oscar returned from the World Cup, where he scored the 90th minute goal for his country in their 7-1 rout by Germany in the semi-final, his first-class attitude to the new season was noted by coaching staff.

Despite the disappointment over the summer with the national team, he was eager to please Mourinho as he entered his third season with Chelsea.

In November, his sparkling form was rewarded with a new five-year contract, a move designed to keep him in that role off the main striker, Diego Costa, until 2019. All was well.

There is a touch of Brian Clough about Mourinho’s attitude towards him, a nod in the direction of the famous response he gave when asked about the way he dealt with disaffected players.

‘We talk about it for 20 minutes and then we decide I was right all along,’ Clough once remarked.

Oscar is certainly learning all about that as he deals with Mourinho’s mood swings.

‘No, I don’t think he had a bad performance, I just think his performance was not good enough, which is a huge difference,’ claimed Chelsea’s manager after their 2-1 victory over Stoke City on Saturday.

Naturally there is a little uncertainty about Oscar’s performances at the moment, reluctant to try anything out of the ordinary because of the potential consequences.

Oscar knows, like everyone else knows, that if you take on Mourinho, he will take you off.

Stats can indeed be quite surprising. Oscar has taken 176 minutes for every goal or assist this season.

 

You know who took 134 minutes per goal or assist in his Chelsea career? Salamon Kalou. 

 

What it of course doesn't take into account is the quality of opposition, importance of goal etc.

Stats can indeed be quite surprising. Oscar has taken 176 minutes for every goal or assist this season.

 

You know who took 134 minutes per goal or assist in his Chelsea career? Salamon Kalou. 

 

What it of course doesn't take into account is the quality of opposition, importance of goal etc.

 

 

But we are also not taking these things i to account with the people we are comparing him with.

Oscar is Oscar, a brilliant player, but out of form. He will be back.

But we are also not taking these things i to account with the people we are comparing him with.

 

Right. Which is why I did not come to the conclusion that Salamon Kalou is a much better player than Oscar as the stats would suggest. Because we've watched both payers and we can judge them based on more than just stats and we know its not true.

That article is interesting but deeply flawed, the Ronaldo story is interesting, and everything Mourinho supposedly said about him is true, but doesn't apply to Oscar at all really. Regardless of whether they may have ideological differences, I don't think I've ever seen Oscar shirk his defensive responsibilities, in fact it is in going forward that he has been lacking recently.

But we are also not taking these things i to account with the people we are comparing him with.

 

Exactly. We've scored 63 goals in the league this season. Bayern have scored 71 and Real Madrid have scored 87.....in fewer games than us.

That article is interesting but deeply flawed, the Ronaldo story is interesting, and everything Mourinho supposedly said about him is true, but doesn't apply to Oscar at all really. Regardless of whether they may have ideological differences, I don't think I've ever seen Oscar shirk his defensive responsibilities, in fact it is in going forward that he has been lacking recently.

Yeah it's all based on guesswork and trying to relate this issue with Ronaldo's.

Oscar in my opinion is an outstanding footballer, he has great technical ability that we occasionally get glimpses of, the case being that we just don't see his true quality enough. The fact that since 2012 he bas basically played 70 games a season doesn't help, playing three times a week for Chelsea, going away and playing during the international break and then barely getting a summer break. It must be tough for the lad however being an athlete at this level means he should be doing better than what he is and sadly we just aren't seeing him at the moment. He has given us some great moments over the years and I really don't want to see him go

Oscar in my opinion is an outstanding footballer, he has great technical ability that we occasionally get glimpses of, the case being that we just don't see his true quality enough. The fact that since 2012 he bas basically played 70 games a season doesn't help, playing three times a week for Chelsea, going away and playing during the international break and then barely getting a summer break. It must be tough for the lad however being an athlete at this level means he should be doing better than what he is and sadly we just aren't seeing him at the moment. He has given us some great moments over the years and I really don't want to see him go

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Good points. He should be improving and getting more direct goal contributions year on year, and he should be getting similar figures to the likes of Isco and Gotze.

He should also be maintaining his form after Christmas. Having said that Fabregas, Costa and Matic have also had noticeable dips in the same period.

I just disagree. Willian's athleticism is good but he rarely gets past a player. He has good ball control but I don't think he has the vision to really do much with it and at the age of 26, can you point to a single month when he has consistently influenced games and been a matchwinner in the same way Oscar did for us at the start of last season? Any month of the 100 or so he's had as a professional footballer?

Thats just untrue, Willian goes past pkayers plenty, especially when he drops deep. Willian is much, much more consistent. He doesnt have the storming highs, but he doesnt have the extreme lows. He has had plenty of great games for us. What he doesnt give us though is the goal scoaring threat that Oscar gives us. To be fair ro Oscar he has that rare ability to pop up and get with a goal out of nowere, despite not playing at all well. Like the Newcastle at home game. This season Oscar has had 4 games that I thought after that game that he had a great performance in, Villa at home, Palace Away, QPR at home and Swansea away. The rest hes either been bang average or poor. Now dont get me wrong, at his best he is excellent. But he rarely is at that level and his consistency is still at the exact same level it was when he got here.

You are correct. I think the fact that he looks out of ideas on that right wing makes people somewhat discount Willian's ability to take on players.

 

Oscar is Oscar, a brilliant player, but out of form. He will be back.

 

the oscar we are seeing right now is the real oscar

Will the real Oscar please stand up!

the oscar we are seeing right now is the real oscar

No, no, that just simply isn't true. The name of this thread is "Oscar - Little Diamond" for a reason. He is out of form and it is affecting the team but it happens to every player at some point, we musn't forget how young he is and how much maturing he still has to do. He has produced magical moments for this club and it will not be long before he returns to his best

I actually think we are a more potent and balanced team with Willian at 10. Not only is Willian the better player there, but it gives us Cuadrado on the right wing. Now I know he hasn't started well, but he gives us a nice little variation by keeping the width and making runs in behind. Willian when he drifts to the left wing is also able to do a better job there than Oscar. What this means is that when Hazard moves central as he often does, he isn't faced with such a narrow and packed defense.

He has the physical apperance of a kid. I've never understood why Mourinho and other coaches haven't forced him to bulk up some, beats trying to drink a bottle of M&Ms. 

 

Because he isn't weak, Oscar is strong very rarely does he get pushed off the ball.

2 years ago I was worried about the amount of games Oscar was playing.

 

Is he really only 23 now?

 

He's been run into the ground by club and country for at least 3 years.  Jose subbing him and bringing him on as a sub maybe because he's lost confidence in him...but it could be because he knows Oscar needs some serious rest and has faith in him.

 

Summer will tell.  Oscar has been good for us, he's still a kid in football terms.   I'd stick with him for at least another year....at the very least.

Because he isn't weak, Oscar is strong very rarely does he get pushed off the ball.

 

lol

It's only a year ago Jose sold Mata to build the team around the likes of Hazard and Oscar, really don't see he could change his mind after only a season. I honestly don't think he's been that bad, apart from Hazard, everyone had a string of poor games, Farbrags is not the same player as he was in the first 3 months of the season, yet you had Jose openly defend him last week. Willian, consistently putting an above average performance like a 10M player. The last game was one of his better ones, but still he didn't kill the game like a 30M player would. Oscar, form started to drop after a good few months, but no worse than others, certainly not comparable to Ramires. When he's good, he's above Willian and could win us games. We got show some patience with our players, not revolving door every season.

That daily mail article is ridiculous, suggesting there is a problem between Jose and Oscar because Oscar hasn't completed a game in 2 months, yet nearly all the games since then he's only been subbed off in the last 20 minutes.

 

Breaking news: Being substituted near the end of the game is now evidence of a rift between player and manager.