No. He said it's Willians first season in the EPL and his level of improvement is same as hazards has been this season (no correlation between hazard in his first season and willian). No what that actual level ended up being.

 

Hazard got 10% better

Willian got 10% better

 

Does not mean Willian is as good as Hazard, but as he said they improved the same amount.

 

I like Willian, he contributed to the first team well and has a season under his belt so we will see if he will step it up even more for next season. He's not the only player guilty of our difficulty in creating chances.

Edited May 9, 201412 yr by Stim

No. He said it's Willians first season in the EPL and his level of improvement is same as hazards. No what that actual level ended up being.

How is his level of improvment similair to Hazards?

This isnt next season so we don't know what he will be like, so far he has been a dissapointment.

At least in Hazards first season he scored goals and set some up...Willain does neither.

Edited May 9, 201412 yr by RFC_CFC

Ask Enigma, he made the point. Just saying you can't say he's wrong because Willian isn't as good as Hazard because that's not the point he was making.

He said Willian was like Hazard in his first season did he not?

They came at a similair price and only one looks to be value for money.

Willain is one of the feeblest attacking wide players I have seen, I love his work rate yeah but he was bought to score and set up goals...he does neither.

 

No, what I mean is that they have both improved, but from the beginning of the season up to now, Willian has improved immensely, as much as Hazard has. I'm not saying Willian is close to Hazard in terms of quality, but there's still time for him to improve the poorer aspects of his play. He's still only 25, he's getting recognition on an international level (playing for Brazil much more regularly) and I think he's adapted quite well to our league for a player who's spent most of his younger years in Russia. 

 

Willian is totally different style of footballer to Hazard. He is more about about hardwork and raw pace, than Hazard, who is much more direct and a better controller of the ball. I feel bad for Willian, as he good of been playing at a higher level of football than he has been. I think his growth as footballer has been stunted somewhat by having to play football at  the Russian standard, not western Europe standard. I don't know if anyone agrees, but for example, I personally feel Willian's ball control and composure has improved immensely over the last few months. 

Edited May 9, 201412 yr by enigma

No, what I mean is that they have both improved, but from the beginning of the season up to now, Willian has improved immensely, as much as Hazard has. I'm not saying Willian is close to Hazard in terms of quality, but there's still time for him to improve the poorer aspects of his play. He's still only 25, he's getting recognition on an international level (playing for Brazil much more regularly) and I think he's adapted quite well to our league for a player who's spent most of his younger years in Russia.

Hazard is totally different style of footballer to Hazard. He is more about about hardwork and raw pace, than Hazard, who is much more direct and a better controller of the ball. I feel bad for Willian, as he good of been a higher level of football than he has been. I think his growth as footballer has been stunted somewhat by having to play football at the Russian standard, not western Europe standard. I don't know if anyone agrees, but for example, I personally feel Willian's ball control and composure has improved immensely over the last few months.

Oh right cool.

I still don't think he's improved that much tbh, he tracks back more and generally looks fitter but his impact on where we bought him for is still as poor.

His passing, crossing and shooting have not came on at all IMO, I just think he was a poor addition to our team for the price.

Just my take on it.

Yeah, I agree the price was a lot for him, especially as he was pretty much an unknown, except against us in the CL. I think he was probably worth similar to Salah, but we all know our board overpays and undersells occasionally.  

Willian had a few games where he was immense - Liverpool comes to mind, also the recent Stoke game, and City. He's a good player, but the price tag makes him look bad. He's scored a few good goals and can be a good winger if he stops coming inside all the time.

Edited May 9, 201412 yr by Foggy

Yeah, I agree the price was a lot for him, especially as he was pretty much an unknown, except against us in the CL. I think he was probably worth similar to Salah, but we all know our board overpays and undersells occasionally.

Yeah no doubt.

Although players do tend to look better when playing against us it seems!

Maybe a pre season with Jose and the coaches can improve the areas I mentioned as I really think we will need a big contribution from both he and Oscar next season. Schurrle and Hazard I'm not so worried about.

I think Willian will be one of our most important players and one of the first names on the team sheet for years to come.

 

Although this is the Eden Hazard thread so erm, hopefully he's more consistent next year, as someone else pointed out, having a proper striker might take some of the defenders attention off him.

Let's forget about the price tag - there were special circumstances if I remember. After Azpilicueta and Matic he (Willian) has been my player of the season. Why not Hazard? Because he has so much talent and doesn't always use it in the best way for the team.

I think he's been one of the poorest truth be told, funny how we all see things differently.

I think he's been one of the poorest truth be told, funny how we all see things differently.

 

Yeah I don't understand how he has been fantastic either, I liked him at the start of the season but he dipped the same time Oscar did. Since then I have seen no creativity from Willian and his through balls are shocking, at times he is very frustrating when we are on the attack. It seems as though we have ruined the attacking side of him since he has stepped up his work rate, obviously he is going to be more tired when going forward.

This.

No idea why so many people on here rate him so highhly, he's done very little really since he arrived.

We aint talking about a squad player either, this was £30 odd million....you expect something for that kind of money.

I seriously rate Willian. And it's not about what he's done but what he's CAPABLE of doing. In this first season he has shown glimpses but I fully expect his output to improve just purely because that is what Jose wants as well. I see a guy with great technical ability and work ethic (pretty strong for his frame as well) and that with some adjustment to his mentality and decision making, will become an absolute beast for this club. The Willian you see now might not be worth 30mil, but the Willian I believe he'll become can be worth more.

I seriously rate Willian. And it's not about what he's done but what he's CAPABLE of doing. In this first season he has shown glimpses but I fully expect his output to improve just purely because that is what Jose wants as well. I see a guy with great technical ability and work ethic (pretty strong for his frame as well) and that with some adjustment to his mentality and decision making, will become an absolute beast for this club. The Willian you see now might not be worth 30mil, but the Willian I believe he'll become can be worth more.

I agree.he has the potential to be the best attacking cm player for us in a very long time.depends what Jose does with him and the players around him.

Maybe he will be played as a pivot,you never know with Jose,Dave at left back,even though Cole is still world class worries me.the whole mata,hazard,Cole,and maybe lampard and terry situation,is a noose around Jose's neck.get it wrong and Roman will get rid and rightly so.

Honestly, sometimes I watch him (in his bad moments) and think... have Chelsea bought a Brazilian Shaun Wright-Phillips?

"And it's not about what he's done but what he's CAPABLE of doing. "

Sorry but it's absolutely about what he's done if we are judging him....

Edited May 10, 201412 yr by RFC_CFC

Honestly, sometimes I watch him (in his bad moments) and think... have Chelsea bought a Brazilian Shaun Wright-Phillips?

Crossed with James Milner and Dirk Kuyt that doesn't make him a bad player but he doesn't have the same skills as Hazard, Mata and KDB and we paid twice what he is worth. He shouldnt even be mentioned in the same bracket. I understand using him in the big away games and the tough aways Newcastle Everton, Stoke etc but at home against the negative teams he is not needed as much. The other teams try and mark Hazard and Oscar out of games and let Willian have it as he doesn't hurt them as much.

It seems to me like no time at all since everyone was raving about Eden, singing his praises to the sky.  Sometimes I get a bit nonplussed at the speed with which footballers fall out of favour!

 

Is he now yesterday's man?  (Who here remembers that song?)

It seems to me like no time at all since everyone was raving about Eden, singing his praises to the sky.  Sometimes I get a bit nonplussed at the speed with which footballers fall out of favour!

 

Is he now yesterday's man?  (Who here remembers that song?)

 

I guess they are talking about Willan in this Hazard-thread...

 

Mourinho just praised Eden, 'said' he wants Courtois and the decision about Lukaku will be made later...

"And it's not about what he's done but what he's CAPABLE of doing. "

Sorry but it's absolutely about what he's done if we are judging him....

Why? Because you have decided that's how all players should be judged? Every single club buy factors in a hypothetical scenario of the future quality of a player.

Luke Shaw for 25mil? 'No thanks, he's done nothing.'

Why? Because you have decided that's how all players should be judged? Every single club buy factors in a hypothetical scenario of the future quality of a player.

Luke Shaw for 25mil? 'No thanks, he's done nothing.'

 

maybe a Torres-factor should be included... :-)

Why? Because you have decided that's how all players should be judged? Every single club buy factors in a hypothetical scenario of the future quality of a player.

Luke Shaw for 25mil? 'No thanks, he's done nothing.'

Luke Shaw has been the second best left back in the league and has performed well for England. he can be judged on the season.

I'm judging Willian on what he HAS done not what he MIGHT do.

Luke Shaw has been the second best left back in the league and has performed well for England. he can be judged on the season.

I'm judging Willian on what he HAS done not what he MIGHT do.

 

I agree, i don't see how we can judge someone on what they might do anyway. Willian is producing the same amount of assists and goals as he did in his time with Shakhtar, i'm not seeing anything that makes me think he is going to be great. I never thought he was good enough when we were first linked with him and i still don't think he is good enough now. He doesn't give enough to the attack, he never has.

I think if we had kept Mata this season we would have won the league. I think we have been needing more creativity especially when we didn't have Hazard in the side. Mata was like our own David Silva, the magician, he could have broken teams down when we needed to.

 

Don't get me wrong though I don't doubt Jose, our players will run through walls for Jose, Mata wouldn't do that. But the point still stands, I think we need to get another creative player in the side. Oscar and Willian don't offer enough and it has been proven this season, you can blame the forwards as much as you want but it's not like they are getting chances in those games. We actually failed to break down the likes of Palace, West Ham and Norwich, we weren't exactly great against Sunderland either.

I think if we had kept Mata this season we would have won the league. I think we have been needing more creativity especially when we didn't have Hazard in the side. Mata was like our own David Silva, the magician, he could have broken teams down when we needed to.

 

For the thousandth time, beginning of the season he didn't help, and in the past 2 years there has been the same type of results against the same type of teams even with Mata in the side.

 

Look at united'd results. Mata does not equal a win against these sides.

Edited May 11, 201412 yr by Stim