60,000 tickets at £35=£2,100000 42,000 TICKETS AT £65(current average price)=£2,730000. Where's the advantage in moving?

Boxes it's all about the boxes ..........more boxes match day for club massive pay day!!

We used to make more on a match day than Man Utd as we had 3 x the corporate boxes

Boxes it's all about the boxes ..........more boxes match day for club massive pay day!!

We used to make more on a match day than Man Utd as we had 3 x the corporate boxes

Ahhh I see now. I didn't realise they made so much. 

There were guys with high visibility vests and hard hats down the Fulham Road today and what looked liked suited and booted toward the Cemetry after viewing the East Stand. Looks certain they are looking at a bridge over the railway line or maybe a new stop ? Knocking down the east and starting afresh making the upper tier of the Mathew Harding higher.

Chelsea will not fill a 60,000 seater stadium

I was thinking about this the other day and to be honest we dont need to fill it every game. What ever we get over what we get currently is a plus and means more money for the club.

There would be games in the season that would be sold out. big games against Arsenal, City, Liverpool, and the big boys in the CL would all sell out.

Games against Burnley probably wouldnt sell out but if we were still getting 45k fans then that would be fine.

Lets be honest, our club isnt like it use to be. It is more international now. The days are gone when you could just walk up to the gate on a saturday and buy a ticket to get in. Now its all about tourists and rich business men taking clients out. Why? Because they spend the money.

When we go, we go and have a couple of beers in the pubs down the road, maybe get a burger at the ground and go in and watch the game. At half time we go and grab a beer and maybe something to eat and then go back and watch the second half. After that we leave and go to a pub down the road. The club doesnt make that much money off us.

Tourists on the other hand will go to the ground before kick off and buy food and drinks watch the game and then go to the megastore and buy a shirt or football for the kids or something like that.

The club make more money out of a tourist visiting the ground than your normal supporter.

Boxes it's all about the boxes ..........more boxes match day for club massive pay day!!

We used to make more on a match day than Man Utd as we had 3 x the corporate boxes

 

1 section of Arsenal's new stadium makes them more money on a match day a the sold out Highbury used to. 

 

So yeah, new stadium with lots of fancy boxes that sit empty but are already paid for are a god send for a club. 

another thing to keep in mind is that if a tourist is in London and wants to go to a game, if they can get a ticket to Chelsea they take that memory and spend money on the club for ever more in terms of kits etc, they also have children and extended family that also then have a reason to support Chelsea over anyone else - the knock on keeps going.

I was thinking about this the other day and to be honest we dont need to fill it every game. What ever we get over what we get currently is a plus and means more money for the club.

There would be games in the season that would be sold out. big games against Arsenal, City, Liverpool, and the big boys in the CL would all sell out.

Games against Burnley probably wouldnt sell out but if we were still getting 45k fans then that would be fine.

Lets be honest, our club isnt like it use to be. It is more international now. The days are gone when you could just walk up to the gate on a saturday and buy a ticket to get in. Now its all about tourists and rich business men taking clients out.

When we go, we go and have a couple of beers in the pubs down the road, maybe get a burger at the ground and go in and watch the game. At half time we go and grab a beer and maybe something to eat and then go back and watch the second half. After that we leave and go to a pub down the road. The club doesnt make that much money off us.

Tourists on the other hand will go to the ground before kick off and buy food and drinks watch the game and then go to the megastore and buy a shirt or football for the kids or something like that.

The club make more money out of a tourist visiting the ground than your normal supporter.

One of the things I miss about the 70s, 80s and 90s - before football became so massive, before we became so successful - is the ability just to turn up, pay on the gate and watch a game. I'd love the freedom to be able to do that again. If we did have a 60000 capacity stadium, there'd be a chance of at least some games not being all-ticket.

 

I was in Munich last week and did the Allianz Arena tour. The guide said they get 300,000 applications for every game, and this rises to 1.5million for the likes of Real or Man U in the CL. Every game for the coming season is already sold out in advance. The casual fan has zero chance of ever seeing them.

He was a good guide but I got a bit sick of his 'holier than thou' attitude to clubs like us, Man C, PSG etc with our rich owners investing so much in the team and preventing Bayern being even more dominant than they have been for decades. He claimed they are a fan-owned club who don't rely on rich investors. And yet the number of mega-rich sponsors they have who plough money into the club is incredible:

http://www.fcbayern.de/en/club/sponsors/

And he didn't mention that their sanctimonious President Uli Hoeness is about to go to jail for three and a half years for fraud.

I was thinking about this the other day and to be honest we dont need to fill it every game. What ever we get over what we get currently is a plus and means more money for the club.

There would be games in the season that would be sold out. big games against Arsenal, City, Liverpool, and the big boys in the CL would all sell out.

Games against Burnley probably wouldnt sell out but if we were still getting 45k fans then that would be fine.

Lets be honest, our club isnt like it use to be. It is more international now. The days are gone when you could just walk up to the gate on a saturday and buy a ticket to get in. Now its all about tourists and rich business men taking clients out. Why? Because they spend the money.

When we go, we go and have a couple of beers in the pubs down the road, maybe get a burger at the ground and go in and watch the game. At half time we go and grab a beer and maybe something to eat and then go back and watch the second half. After that we leave and go to a pub down the road. The club doesnt make that much money off us.

Tourists on the other hand will go to the ground before kick off and buy food and drinks watch the game and then go to the megastore and buy a shirt or football for the kids or something like that.

The club make more money out of a tourist visiting the ground than your normal supporter.

And your happy with this?. A football club where it's core support are tourists. And you wonder why other fans take the piss out of us and call us plastic. I just couldn't step foot in a place like that it's almost anti-football fan. It's a marketing man's wet dream and a football fan's nightmare

Oh course im not happy with it BUT that is just the way of big clubs now days. The club want money. We as fans are replaceable. For every one fan who says "Im sick of this, I will go and watch Bromley FC instead" there will be another 10 fans (at least) wanting to take your ticket.

the CPO have long been protecting the interests of Chelsea and Stamford Bridge. i trust those members to do what is right, as loyal, long-standing supporters. if they felt there wasnt a strong enough case for moving, or that the proposal wasnt good enough then i trust them in that decision. Its one of the few occassions where fans get a voice in important matters at our football club, and we should back those fans 100%. God knows enough of us moan when we dont get a say in what goes on, so why criticise those who stand up for us when they are allowed a vote? (Not a dig at you personally enders, just a general point!)

To be fair the fans who have tickets in CPO voted to hand back the shares by quite a large majority, so if they are to be trusted then their wishes have been thwarted

 

Anyway, Id love us to be able to redevelop Stamford Bridge, if it was possible it would be my option 1,2,3,4 to 100, problem is it isnt, the site is too small, the clubs detailed investigation and conclusions they published make that perfectly clear, as does the actual size of our existing plot

One of the things I miss about the 70s, 80s and 90s - before football became so massive, before we became so successful - is the ability just to turn up, pay on the gate and watch a game. I'd love the freedom to be able to do that again. If we did have a 60000 capacity stadium, there'd be a chance of at least some games not being all-ticket.

 

I was in Munich last week and did the Allianz Arena tour. The guide said they get 300,000 applications for every game, and this rises to 1.5million for the likes of Real or Man U in the CL. Every game for the coming season is already sold out in advance. The casual fan has zero chance of ever seeing them.

He was a good guide but I got a bit sick of his 'holier than thou' attitude to clubs like us, Man C, PSG etc with our rich owners investing so much in the team and preventing Bayern being even more dominant than they have been for decades. He claimed they are a fan-owned club who don't rely on rich investors. And yet the number of mega-rich sponsors they have who plough money into the club is incredible:

http://www.fcbayern.de/en/club/sponsors/

And he didn't mention that their sanctimonious President Uli Hoeness is about to go to jail for three and a half years for fraud.

 

Did he mention that Audi and Adidas own almost 20% of the club between them?

Oh course im not happy with it BUT that is just the way of big clubs now days. The club want money. We as fans are replaceable. For every one fan who says "Im sick of this, I will go and watch Bromley FC instead" there will be another 10 fans (at least) wanting to take your ticket.

And who are these other 10 fans wanting to take my ticket they won't be Chelsea fans mate i can tell you that. To have a ground with people who have no affinity with the club who will go to Chelsea in the afternoon and a West end show in the evening that's what Chelsea will become. And yes i would support my local non league team rather then watch the very heart of a football club being ripped out and pissed on.

Did he mention that Audi and Adidas own almost 20% of the club between them?

Funnily enough, no. I wish I'd asked him about that, though!

 

I actually had a brief read of the official club history in the Megastore. Well, I had a read of a two-page feature on the time Bayern got to play in a CL final on their home ground and lost. Again, it was full of loads of digs about us as a club, Abramovich's money, our style of play. All very enjoyable. Especially the quotes from Rumenigge and Hoeness saying it was even worse than losing to ManU in 1999 and that they'd never get over the disappointment.

Did he mention that Audi and Adidas own almost 20% of the club between them?

Allianz also own 8.3%, so that's 28.3% between them. And those are just the sponsors starting with the letter A.

 

The guide was also smug about how the stadium has all been paid for by the club. Which is a pack of lies, as I found this:

 

 

The cost of the construction itself ran to €286 million but financing costs raised that figure to a total of €340 million. In addition, the city and State incurred approximately €210 million for area development and infrastructure improvements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allianz_Arena

I can't see the council stumping up the costs of area development and infrastructure if we end up moving. (Mind you, City got the Etihad built for them).

I would love to stay as well but if it's the best thing for the club then I would back it. I remember when it was going all seater and people were saying can't go to the ground when it's all seated. People came round to it. Let's face it the Shed on big games is half occupied by AWAY fans!!! I wouldn't have thought that when I walked up those steps to the side of the white wall in 1978. Maybe there should be plans if we do move to make sure like minded people have an area to be together and get some old fashioned atmosphere back.

Stamford Bridge is not what it was, as you say the shed is now a tiny little stand half occupied by away fans!

 

Bottom line is our rivals with bigger stadiums will have a £30-50m advantage every season re matchday income, with FFP and Roman no longer able to spend big - or if he leaves - that difference over years could see us become also rans - in ten seasons they could spend up to half a billion more on players

 

Then there is the matter of getting kids in cheaply and stopping us becoming Chelsea OAP FC,  with a small capacity we have to keep charging top dollar to compete, with another 20,000 seats we could allocate a few thousand to kids at much reduced rates and ensure we have match going fans in the future

Edited June 26, 201412 yr by enders game

Stamford Bridge is not what it was, as you say the shed is now a tiny little stand half occupied by away fans!

 

Bottom line is our rivals with bigger stadiums will have a £30-50m advantage every season re matchday income, with FFP and Roman no longer able to spend big - or if he leaves - that difference over years could see us become also rans - in ten seasons they could spend up to half a billion more on players

 

Then there is the matter of getting kids in cheaply and stopping us becoming Chelsea OAP FC,  with a small capacity we have to keep charging top dollar to compete, with another 20,000 seats we could allocate a few thousand to kids at much reduced rates and ensure we have match going fans in the future

Like Arsenal did, you mean?

Like Arsenal did, you mean?

I dont care what Arsenal do, we have an owner who puts his money where his mouth is, Arsenals owners just want a cash cow and have been fleecing gooners for years

 

At the bridge these days its like going to an old people's home, our demographic must be 50+ no problem with that but we have to get new younger fans involved or the match going habit will die out, but we cant have massively reduced kids prices with such a relatively small stadium

 

Plus its the ability to increase corporate facilities massively that will allow us to subsidise kids seats in a new stadium - we either get a bigger stadium or face long term decline imvho that is

Anyone who thinks a new stadium will result in lower ticket prices is extremely naive IMO. The stadium will have to be paid for and, after all, the whole point is to make a lot more money.

Edited June 26, 201412 yr by Englishman

Anyone who thinks a new stadium will result in lower ticket prices is extremely naive IMO. The stadium will have to be paid for and, after all, the whole point is to make a lot more money.

 

True, but its the massively increased corporate areas that will provide most of the money, our corprorate set up is a joke compared to Arsenal - besides how do we get kids back in and stop the average age of match going fans at the bridge going over 60?

 

Compared to most other teams fans we look like grandads these days - and thats besides the £30-50m shorfall we will have income wise compared to our rivals with bigger stadiums

 

Spurs, West Ham, City and Liverpool will soon have much bigger stadiums, Manyoo and Arsenal already have

Anyone who thinks a new stadium will result in lower ticket prices is extremely naive IMO. The stadium will have to be paid for and, after all, the whole point is to make a lot more money.

 

We wouldn't fill a 60k stadium, week in, week out with current ticket prices.

 

If they were slightly cheaper, I could see us hitting 50k consistently.

We wouldn't fill a 60k stadium, week in, week out with current ticket prices.

 

If they were slightly cheaper, I could see us hitting 50k consistently.

If we had the right stadium with the right pricing we'd fill a 70k stadium

 

The increased capacity re the corporate side would easily subidise the cheaper seats to ensure capacity crowds

Two things to think about is a friend of mine had a season ticket in the old Directors area in the East Stand Middle tier. He was paying just over £8000 five years ago, which included every home game including cup games and a 3 course meal. If the club increase those areas for FFP and make their money, let them bleed those kind of people and keep our prices reasonable. Also the sale if we have to move is the Sq ft of site is so expensive, and salvage of metal etc would fund new site considerably.

If we had the right stadium with the right pricing we'd fill a 70k stadium

 

The increased capacity re the corporate side would easily subidise the cheaper seats to ensure capacity crowds

 

Doubt it. We don't have a particularly large fan base. I couldn't see us filling much more than a 55k in the near future.

We also got to realise that we need new fans coming through. Fans from 60s 70s ( myself) 80s and 90s aren't going to fill stamford bridge. We may think we're more passionate or vocal, but we want new blood coming through and I know people who use the family section to get their kids coming to the games to keep the tradition going. They can't be all labelled "plastic". My first game as 9 year old was Chelsea vs Liverpool 1978 over 45,000 then went for the rest of that season with nowhere near that figure, so we had plastic fans back then.

The increased capacity re the corporate side would easily subidise the cheaper seats to ensure capacity crowds

 

It could but it wouldn't.

 

As I said, anyone expecting thousands of cheap subsidised tickets in a new stadium is going to be disappointed. They'll continue to charge as much as they can get away with and still have a reasonably full stadium.