31 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Hardly put his heart and soul into it, just didn't drop off like a few others. Just continued to perform at his normal level with free kicks added in. Without Hazard, Cesc and Costa the team was sh*te. Willian put in no more effort than say Pedro.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that.

6 hours ago, Kentonio said:

We'll have to agree to disagree on that.

Agree with you on that season Kentonio. He was superb.

There are those who have never liked him and are now using the recent stuff as just another stick to beat him with. That's also the reason they have been happy to downplay his achievements here.

But for those of us who have been big fans of Willian in the past, that is why we have been so disappointed by him in the last month. He was one of the few who tried when Mourinho was going down the toilet, so it's even more galling to see the this sort of carry on now under Conte. I thought he was one of the good guys. Not so much.

 

Edited May 26, 20188 yr by Spiller86

4 hours ago, Spiller86 said:

Agree with you on that season Kentonio. He was superb.

There are those who have never liked him and are now using the recent stuff as just another stick to beat him with. That's also the reason they have been happy to downplay his achievements here.

But for those of us who have been big fans of Willian in the past, that is why we have been so disappointed by him in the last month. He was one of the few who tried when Mourinho was going down the toilet, so it's even more galling to see the this sort of carry on now under Conte. I thought he was one of the good guys. Not so much.

 

Name me a single season he's been here that he's showed up for more than 2 months. Including Mourinho's last.

3 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Name me a single season he's been here that he's showed up for more than 2 months. Including Mourinho's last.

It's amazing how a few freekicks makes you superb in a season everyone else was sh*t. It's the only difference from any other season and that was at the start of the season, the rest of it he was on the same level as everyone else.

Willian is a really good player when he's on it but most of the time he's not. I'd move him on to new pastures and bring in new talent that's more consistent at least.

Don't like the way he acted after the FA Cup final as well. His chemistry with Hazard is good but is it worth the inconsistencies?

If Utd came in with a 60m bid, you think we should take it?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5854281/Manchester-United-prepare-60m-bid-Chelsea-star-Willian.html

Would take the money and run. Not often will you get offered that kind of money for someone of that age. Would help us rebuild for the long term and also get rid of a player with little respect. 

I'd bite United's hand off for £60m. 

Possibly in the minority but just never warmed to Willian as a player. I've never felt that he scores enough goals for a player that gets as much regular football as he does. 

His decision making isn't at a level to consistently be a threat, he holds onto the ball for too long slowing down attacks or the quality of his final ball is often poor. 

For £60m, I think you could comfortably replace him and if it meant Martial might come the over way, I'd be even happier. 

 

EDIT: also after the public display of dissent he showed to Conte after out cup win, I've got very little time for him. 

Edited June 18, 20188 yr by ForeverCarefree

Not a fan of him; he carries the ball between the lines but lacks end product. 

11 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

I'd bite United's hand off for £60m. 

Possibly in the minority but just never warmed to Willian as a player. I've never felt that he scores enough goals for a player that gets as much regular football as he does. 

His decision making isn't at a level to consistently be a threat, he holds onto the ball for too long slowing down attacks or the quality of his final ball is often poor. 

For £60m, I think you could comfortably replace him and if it meant Martial might come the over way, I'd be even happier. 

 

EDIT: also after the public display of dissent he showed to Conte after out cup win, I've got very little time for him. 

Couldn't agree more. Add to this the fact he only really hits top form for maybe 1 month a season. 

I wouldn’t sell him to United for money. I am honestly dead tired of us selling rivals good players. Matic was the last straw for me.
I am also not very confident to club would spend the money very wisely.

If they include Martial in a deal I’d listen though. He’d thrive under an attacking manager.

4 minutes ago, Sindre said:

I wouldn’t sell him to United for money. I am honestly dead tired of us selling rivals good players. Matic was the last straw for me.
I am also not very confident to club would spend the money very wisely.

If they include Martial in a deal I’d listen though. He’d thrive under an attacking manager.

Has any of the transfers particularly improved our rivals?

Mata has done nothing of note and now is a bit part player.

Cech is now laughed at for some of his performances.

Matic did nothing special last season and Utd even ended up playing McTominay due to their midfield weaknesses. 

6 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Couldn't agree more. Add to this the fact he only really hits top form for maybe 1 month a season. 

My thing has always been, if you compared him to a first choice right winger that has played for a team in any European league that's won the league or been competing for it over a period of five years... Their wingers going to be putting up much better numbers than Willian. 

7 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Matic did nothing special last season and Utd even ended up playing McTominay due to their midfield weaknesses. 

And yet we won the league with Matic, United finished 2nd last season with Matic, and without Matic we finished 5th.

Edited June 18, 20188 yr by the special one

9 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Matic did nothing special last season and Utd even ended up playing McTominay due to their midfield weaknesses. 

Matic was their best midfielder last season for me. Pogba was average with a few exceptions but Matic was good throughout the season pretty much.

He's an excellent midfielder.

6 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Matic was their best midfielder last season for me. Pogba was average with a few exceptions but Matic was good throughout the season pretty much.

He's an excellent midfielder.

Even Pogba had a good season imho, despite his often erratic per 90 performances he still achieved a 0.49 goal/assist average (an impressive return for a CM, none of our midfield had anywhere near that output)

I don't think selling Willian to United will be good for our hopes of top 4 next season but if we find a suitable replacement not entirely against it. Wouldn't surprise me if we sell Willian and replace him with Bertrand Traore/Andros Townsend.

Edited June 18, 20188 yr by the special one

11 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Matic was their best midfielder last season for me. Pogba was average with a few exceptions but Matic was good throughout the season pretty much.

He's an excellent midfielder.

If you're playing low intensity, high possession football then Matic is a great midfielder otherwise he'd just be a good one with a slow turn and not really good at using his height either.

One thing about him though is he'll have the occasional game where he hits a rocket of a shot.

18 minutes ago, the special one said:

And yet we won the league with Matic, United finished 2nd last season with Matic, and without Matic we finished 5th.

No, we finished 5th with Bakayoko. Not because we lost Matic. The majority of fans could see he was our weak link in the title winning season. We just downgraded, instead of upgrading like we should have. Not to mention the fact we replaced one of the world best CF's and played with bloody Morata. 

16 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Matic was their best midfielder last season for me. Pogba was average with a few exceptions but Matic was good throughout the season pretty much.

He's an excellent midfielder.

McTominay was better when he played. 

14 minutes ago, the special one said:

Even Pogba had a good season imho, despite his often erratic per 90 performances he still achieved a 0.49 goal/assist average (an impressive return for a CM, none of our midfield had anywhere near that output)

Good job Iniesta never played for Chelsea seeing how goal/assist stats is your only measure of a players ability. 

We have way too many crap players to replace before we should consider selling our best players.

15 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Good job Iniesta never played for Chelsea seeing how goal/assist stats is your only measure of a players ability. 

City won the league with Silva/De Bruyne, United have Pogba and finished 2nd, Barcelona/Liverpool have/had Coutinho and finished 1st/4th respectively, Spurs have Eriksen/Alli and finished 3rd, Juve have Pjanic and won the league - compare their overall performance to ours this season.

Edited June 18, 20188 yr by the special one

41 minutes ago, coco said:

We have way too many crap players to replace before we should consider selling our best players.

Exactly, hence why we're advocating for Willian to go. 

32 minutes ago, the special one said:

City won the league with Silva/De Bruyne, United have Pogba and finished 2nd, Barcelona/Liverpool have/had Coutinho and finished 1st/4th respectively, Spurs have Eriksen/Alli and finished 3rd, Juve have Pjanic and won the league - compare their overall performance to ours this season.

Not too sure what point you're trying to make here??