You call Matic a "Passenger" and yet are having trouble understanding arguments??
Anyways, 2 of the best managers on the planet consider him to be good enough to be a consistent fixture in their TITLE winning teams. I would choose to agree with them rather than someone making exaggerated OTT comments (this argument should be easier to understand). 

Bro, I don't think Conte actually rate Matic that much. If Conte was able to sign Nainggolan or that Inter guy we were linked with last season, Matic will rarely start a game. Jose is the only manager that rate Matic as a top player that's why he doesn't get seriously linked with any top team. If Conte was appointed manager of Madrid or Barcelona, will he be desperate to sign Matic? No!

7 hours ago, didierforever said:

Care to explain How we won 2 leagues in 3 years with a bang average footballer (with you being generous) being one  of the first names on our team sheets?

Also care to explain what we will be doing about our own midfield options.

Are you implying that no teams have ever won the league with average players in their side? If you rate Matic that's fine you're more than welcome to, just don't get your knickers in a twist that other people think he's a poor footballer, which he is. He was never a technically gifted footballer but he was a brilliant player at breaking things up & recycling the ball for about a year and a half but that was a long time ago now.

 

He's slow, his passing is poor, as is his awareness, he's not even physically commanding anymore for a guy of his size, you could probably count on one hand the amount of headers he's won last season. 

 

You better ask the board that shouldnt you? Considering they're the ones that have let go of all the depth we have.

 

I'd be happy for him to stay around as a squad player but £40m for Matic verging on 29 will not come around again, thus it's a no brainer to sell and we'll need another replacement alongside Bakayoko (and before you ask me who, that's what we have a scouting network for)

Yea hard to turn down anything north of 30m for him as we probably will never get anything close to that in the future. Its very damning of his talent level that we have no problem having him train on his own and pushing him out while also selling Chalo

Been told that he and Diego can stay home and not travel with the team for pre-season.

Chelsea team are going to look so different next season.

6 hours ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Are you implying that no teams have ever won the league with average players in their side? If you rate Matic that's fine you're more than welcome to, just don't get your knickers in a twist that other people think he's a poor footballer, which he is. He was never a technically gifted footballer but he was a brilliant player at breaking things up & recycling the ball for about a year and a half but that was a long time ago now.

 

He's slow, his passing is poor, as is his awareness, he's not even physically commanding anymore for a guy of his size, you could probably count on one hand the amount of headers he's won last season. 

 

You better ask the board that shouldnt you? Considering they're the ones that have let go of all the depth we have.

 

I'd be happy for him to stay around as a squad player but £40m for Matic verging on 29 will not come around again, thus it's a no brainer to sell and we'll need another replacement alongside Bakayoko (and before you ask me who, that's what we have a scouting network for)

Winning the league with average squad players is not unheard of, not a first teamed. Specially to the extent some fans would have you believe that Matic is.

but I can feel that Matic is the new scapegoat around here so it's not worth arguing. 

On 30/06/2017 at 14:18, dkw said:

And there is no problem at all with posting it like that, it's how it should be. Unfortunately we now have fans who decide if a player isn't good enough they are deserving of abuse and vitriol, and sod appreciation and respect. I don't think Ake is as good as many believe he is, and I think it's great business getting that much for a player who in my opinion is 5th or 6th choice for us at best. But I don't think he's a prick or sh*t or a donkey or any of that other rubbish being posted about our current and past players.

Costa being labelled a "c**t" is my favourite after winning us 2 titles in 3 years 

Yet people can call Matic donkey without the psuedo outrage. A player who has given us his all compared to a player who threw us under the bus as and when he desired. Hypocrisy thy name is....

11 hours ago, Blue Exile said:

You aren't talking facts though just assumptions that fit with your opinion...just like the rest of us in fairness.

The club can refuse to sell or at the very least try to reason with the guy if they want him, taking into consideration he is being lined up to leave the minute Baka has signed I'd say it's safe to assume that hasn't happened? Again not knowing the facts (like you) it's impossible to say.

The fact I am sure of though is my eyes work, and he's been as bad as I said he was for probably 18 months.

Also, 'first name on the team sheet' is nothing but a cliché - rather misplaced in this case too. Courtois, Azpi, Hazard, Kante would be the first on the team sheet...but then it's just an assumption...not knowing the FACTS.

Mate this guy likes arguing say ok and save yourself the trouble....hard I know when saying things like Costa has a sh*t first touch  his first touch is one of his best attributes 

 

A lone video to prove diego's good first touch. Hahahha. Here is a comparison of Diego vs lukaku's attributes (the latter apparently being no good and yet Diego being no better). 

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2017/2/27/14746272/et-tu-lulu

 

 

2 hours ago, didierforever said:

Yet people can call Matic donkey without the psuedo outrage. A player who has given us his all compared to a player who threw us under the bus as and when he desired. Hypocrisy thy name is....

You do know that it was the donkey comment I first took umbrage with, right?

Diegos first touch is one of his best attributes? I think I've heard it all now.

2 hours ago, dkw said:

You do know that it was the donkey comment I first took umbrage with, right?

Mate, the quote was not for you.

people who have called him that know who they are

15 hours ago, wallosh said:

Do you seriously think he will be an automatic starter at Man United? I will easily swap him for Herrera. Carrick might no longer have the strength but he is still far more intelligent than Matic.

He's got all the attributes Jose like, I believe he will be a major player if we sell him to United. Like I said, Chelsea should not be helping rival clubs, transfer fee is almost irrelevant.

34 minutes ago, icecoolguy22 said:

He's got all the attributes Jose like, I believe he will be a major player if we sell him to United. Like I said, Chelsea should not be helping rival clubs, transfer fee is almost irrelevant.

Jose will use him like he did here I presume? You realise he was poor for Jose for just as long, if not longer than he was great for him? 

You could argue that he had better players around him in his time here then he'll have if/when he moves to United too.

8 hours ago, didierforever said:

Winning the league with average squad players is not unheard of, not a first teamed. Specially to the extent some fans would have you believe that Matic is.

but I can feel that Matic is the new scapegoat around here so it's not worth arguing. 

United won titles with Fletcher playing almost every week. 

City won it with Hart in goals. 

Leicester won it with a few average players.

So yes it does happen, Matic had a great first 10 or so months when he came back but after that his game dropped significantly and his one footed approach was noted which teams exploit game after game.

i wouldn't sell to United on the basis you should never do business with a rival club but as a player he wouldn't worry me as he's a very limited footballer.

 

 

Edited July 15, 20179 yr by Chelsbear

28 minutes ago, Chelsbear said:

United won titles with Fletcher playing almost every week. 

City won it with Hart in goals. 

Leicester won it with a few average players.

So yes it does happen, Matic had a great first 10 or so months when he came back but after that his game dropped significantly and his one footed approach was noted which teams exploit game after game.

i wouldn't sell to United on the basis you should never do business with a rival club but as a player he wouldn't worry me as he's a very limited footballer.

 

 

Fletcher in his prime (before his serious issues) was not an "average player". Not for me. Same with hart. He is a good shot stopper but can have moments of madness. But again, hard to call him average.

leicester is the exception which happens once in a lifetime.

i feel united will get exactly what they want. Someone who can sit in front of the back 4 and give herrera and pogba the freedom to call the shots. A definite no-no for me

2 hours ago, CFCholland said:

Diegos first touch is one of his best attributes? I think I've heard it all now.

I think people confuse playing  first time pass and a first touch, he isn't a 5'7 twinkle toe flair player he is a 6'2 CF have you seen the number of times he brings the ball down then volleys the ball or goes past a defender that's a first touch, bringing down the ball is a first touch, I didn't say tica taca I said first touch, can you play off him first time, no, but that's not the only type of firstvyouch, it's ball control and his is very good and fits with the type of striker he is. If you watch the commentary on his city goal I think they said what a sublime touch about 6 times, he does that sort of touch regularly, did it against Arsenal in the cup also and that my friend is a "first touch" 

Edited July 15, 20179 yr by DonAntonio

7 hours ago, didierforever said:

A lone video to prove diego's good first touch. Hahahha. Here is a comparison of Diego vs lukaku's attributes (the latter apparently being no good and yet Diego being no better). 

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2017/2/27/14746272/et-tu-lulu

 

 

That's why you always argue so vigorously but always get it wrong, you learn everything you know about football online, you treat it like a homework assignment, if you watched a game live you would have to listen to the commentary of google what was going on, playing off someone first time he isn't good, taking a touch to go round a player first time with his feet he fails quite frequently, getting the call under control from a long pass, a hard pass he is excellent, that's called ball control and that's a first touch, I bet if you looked him up on your Fifa game he will have good first touch stats  people who actually watch football already know he has a sublime first touch at times, granted usually off his chest or body,  but again that's his first touch and your squaka dribbled past stats won't show you that. It's easy does he bring down the ball well or not? Getting the ball under control is your first touch and you can smash it at him in the box he will get it under control and get a shot off, that's because he has good "first touch" 

Lol. Another essay how apparently people who watch is live have more insights.

has got to be the weakest and dumbest argument I have heard. Not even worth trying to reason. 

But sure, costa's first touch is his biggest asset.

Well maybe it's not his first touch, but his ball control that is bad then. Maybe he does control it with his first touch but then he loses it with his second.
In my opinion he's a good finisher but a bad footballer, and that includes his first touch and all round ball control.

He's got all the attributes Jose like, I believe he will be a major player if we sell him to United. Like I said, Chelsea should not be helping rival clubs, transfer fee is almost irrelevant.

I don't think we will strengthen them by selling Matic to them because they are desperate to sign a midfielder that can defend. And the 3 they are mostly linked to are Matic, Naingollan and Fabinho. Everyone except José knows the latter 2 are much better and composed on the ball than Matic. Personally I dread to see Naingollan in United's midfield paired with Pogba and Herrera.

1 hour ago, didierforever said:

Lol. Another essay how apparently people who watch is live have more insights.

has got to be the weakest and dumbest argument I have heard. Not even worth trying to reason. 

But sure, costa's first touch is his biggest asset.

Here you go in a format you can understand, FIFA 17 

 

 

1 hour ago, CFCholland said:

Well maybe it's not his first touch, but his ball control that is bad then. Maybe he does control it with his first touch but then he loses it with his second.
In my opinion he's a good finisher but a bad footballer, and that includes his first touch and all round ball control.

Oh no, a bad footballer, f**k me...have you heard how many times pundits have called him a complete striker, here is a hint non of that is as good as what he does off the ball, it's his runs and his intelligence that make him a great striker, there is nothing he can't do except dribble round 5 defenders and play tica taca, I'm not trying to offend you so apologies if it comes off wrong but this isn't FIFA, a tica taca dribble master isn't the type of striker Chelsea needs if we wanted that we would just play hazard up top, Costa is the perfect striker for Chelsea hence 2 titles in 3 years, he is a very very good footballer I still can't believe you said that, anyway being that this is a matic thread I'll leave it there but he is  very good footballer and had a very good first touch within the tonext of being a 6'2 aggressive striker and him taking on his chest like that is ball control it's not just doing elasticos, he beats his man with his first touch and with strength, that's his football style to judge him against a player like hazard isn't fair it's apples and oranges 

Edited July 15, 20179 yr by DonAntonio

He is when he tries to be. But he only tries for half a season. The last half he didn't even bother making runs, when he doesn't do that there's almost nothing left. It's his own fault too, he constantly tried to dribble past players, or he picks the ball up from deep and loses it.

I don't think anyone will disagree with you that he is one of the best strikers in the league when he is on form, but when he's not there's nothing he can fall back on, and he becomes more of a hinderence than anything else.